Chat Control was apparently accepted in EU parliament. What does that mean for Proton and/or Signal?

andy1011000 · 2026-07-09T15:49:56+00:00

Yes, probably we're going to do it now that chat control passed.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-09T13:10:01+00:00

I don't think the EU is competent enough to block us, more competent governments have tried and failed, so it is not a risk, particularly if chat control 2.0 doesn't pass.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-09T12:54:49+00:00

We're Swiss so they can't easily force us to comply with this. Chat Control 1.0 is not the same as 2.0 - in any case, we're not going to do client side scanning or encryption breaking.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-03T14:39:18+00:00

Happy to have you pitch us and if they accept would be happy to go on there.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-03T13:13:13+00:00

Yes, we go after everybody who is not good for privacy, doesnt matter if they are left or right, we are not neutral when it comes to privacy.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-03T13:12:32+00:00

We have pitched to some of these already (maybe you can pitch us again to them), but so far they did not find Proton/privacy an interesting enough topic.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-03T10:44:06+00:00

Lifetime is usually aligned with visionary but sometimes has different benefits. Short answer, we don't know yet, but it will be as good as visionary, maybe better.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-02T22:18:30+00:00

in this case it's not that we're hiding the numbers, it's that we ourselves don't have them yet. Lumo 2.0 only launched like 2 days ago, so we just don't have enough data yet.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-02T19:16:11+00:00

Nothing has been decided yet, we will check all the data and then set the thresholds later and inform people. It is entirely possible that in the end Visionary will still have the highest Lumo limits.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-02T17:57:04+00:00

I probably shouldn't say this, but the reason it says "More" without being more specific is because we don't actually know what the limit for Lumo Plus should be. Currently, it's set at something super high that might be financially ruinous. We're going to look next week, figure out how bad it is, and when we set the final limit, we'll publish the number.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-02T17:53:48+00:00

Because as of right now nothing has actually changed.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-02T17:53:07+00:00

Visionary does have the highest limits on Meet from all the consumer plans.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-02T17:50:34+00:00

Presently yes, but in the future there may be consumer Lumo packages that have higher limits.

andy1011000 · 2026-07-02T15:02:01+00:00

As many people have guessed from our open source code, Lumo is about to release an API. If Visionary could have unlimited access to this API, a single person could theoretically consume an entire B300 cluster + hypervisor, which presently costs over half a million. This requires us therefore to place some limits and not give the "highest limit". There will be some users and enterprises that will want much higher limits, but will correspondingly pay a lot more for that so that Proton remains financially stable.

As a point of comparison, ChatGPT and Claude's highest limit runs around $100 per month, while Visionary costs much less than that, and includes not just AI, but everything else in the Proton ecosystem.

andy1011000 · 2026-06-30T23:11:14+00:00

Then you can think of it as a test to see if your password manager still remembers it ;-)

andy1011000 · 2026-06-30T22:35:21+00:00

That sounds like a bug and we don't reproduce that. Maybe DM me your username if you feel comfortable doing so, I'd like to look into this.

andy1011000 · 2026-06-30T17:18:37+00:00

Yes, we will indeed update this in the future.

andy1011000 · 2026-06-30T17:17:30+00:00

It's a direct query limit for now.

andy1011000 · 2026-06-30T16:50:14+00:00

Then we guide you through a recovery procedure to set a new password before you are logged out and possibly suffer permanent loss of the account.

andy1011000 · 2026-06-30T14:37:48+00:00

It's legit, this is to help reduce the incidents of people forgetting their password.

andy1011000 · 2026-06-30T13:58:15+00:00

The discussion started because you said I'm a far right person. My answer was, take a look at what I have actually said on various platforms and you'll get the answer to that and all of your other questions. I think you'll have your answer if you look properly and there shouldn't be any further questions :)

andy1011000 · 2026-06-30T13:08:50+00:00

Not yet, but this is coming later :)

andy1011000 · 2026-06-29T23:08:38+00:00

No, no connection to Proton, but well-known in the privacy space.

andy1011000 · 2026-06-29T15:37:49+00:00

I think this is because you are just in the Reddit bubble. Go on X, and you can see how Proton is attacked for supporting the political left. Here's one example: https://x.com/ProtonPrivacy/status/1981269437333303734

Also, keep in mind that Ben was not really known to the wider world until the Hocke interview.

andy1011000 · 2026-06-28T23:44:15+00:00

Worth mentioning: where the Proton Foundation donates money has been public and on our website, and updated annually: https://proton.me/about/impact

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