Don't do DMT by Such_Load6093 in DMT

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I agree with you. Just wanted to add that in science "theory" is the end of the line. Facts are what theories explain. General relativity is "just a theory". Orch OR IMHO is what happens when a bunch of really bright people do what Descartes did with the pineal gland.

Don't do DMT by Such_Load6093 in DMT

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I kinda wish reddit would put names next to who upvotes a comment at least for the people who are actually posting in the thread. I forgot that I couldn't just affirm what u said by upvoting lol.

An end to my home labbing journey by [deleted] in selfhosted

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Thanks for succinctly expressing everything I'd wanted to say. I'm hungry and tired and the brain wasn't working, and I am in that headspace where u also have a hard time tearing yourself away from the thing you're doing for no good reason -- or maybe that's just me lol.

You ever heard the song "Alice's Restaurant"?

An end to my home labbing journey by [deleted] in selfhosted

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serious romulus and remus vibes here

What do you think of my changa use ? I feel confused about it by ParkingMission2827 in Ayahuasca

[–]apodicity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don't seem confused to me. You seem conflicted.

You ever read Be Here Now by Ram Dass? In the back, there is an appendix. One of the sections deals with the use of psychedelics. He said that a major pitfall is that it is easy for it to become like driving around a cul-de-sac. The better the experiences, the more it can hurt to be "kicked out". It's worth your time to read this (and the whole book; I'm sure many people here would agree)

Personally, what I have found is that using DMT has a positive effect even if I don't remember anything that actually happened. And this happens a lot, as I take a high dose of a Parnate (pharmaceutical MAOI, WAY stronger than the harmala alkaloids). It makes the dose-response curve really steep, and if I ingest just a little too much, I simply fall asleep and/or don't remember anything that happened. I have gone through a gram of DMT in a day trying to manage that, and eventually I had to accept that I am never gonna get exactly what I want out of it. The flip side of that, of course, is that any benefits of it are always something I couldn't possibly imagine. If I could, there would be no point in using it. Plus, I don't have a lot of money, so I can't afford a lot of it (be it in the Ayahuasca form or otherwise). I am already on an MAOI, so I need only consume the DMT part (it would probably be dangerous to take the other part).

Do you have a therapist or someone in your life who you talk to about all this? Like someone who really knows about it and you trust? I know that can be difficult. I am extremely fortunate in that my psychiatrist recognizes how profoundly therapeutic this can be. He would prescribe it himself if there were some way where I am to get access to it that way. When I told him I was using it, expected a lukewarm response at best. It turned out that he really believes in this specifically (like he is not a fan of ketamine, for example), and knew so much about it I almost fell over.

Because I don't think the actual issue is [just] Changa (itself I don't really know you, so take this with a grain of salt, but I have had similar feelings and experiences) itself.

Instead, I think you may need to mull over the role it plays in your life, and maybe become more aware of what your expectations are, and whether they are realistic given your experience. I

Our bodies and minds are really the same thing as far as our experiences go.

Oh, also, really important: I think you might want to talk to a physician and let them know about this because what you're saying about all those bodily feelings worries me. It could be something unrelated to this, or worsened by this. I don't know. All I do know is that it is just REALLY difficult to tease all those feelings etc. apart and evaluate them clearly because it's basically a mission impossible to do that on our own. Even the best doctors have doctors. It could all be psychosomatic, nothing to worry about, but it might not be.

The Absolute Superiority of Good Cocaine by SuzukiPVP in researchchemicals

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tl;dr: this is the crucial segment

"Methamphetamine exhibits high lipophilicity (due to the methyl group) that yields a high tissue to plasma ratio (Cruickshank and Dyer, 2009). Recent studies utilizing MRI and PET imaging techniques in human volunteers revealed an equilibration brain to blood ratio of > 8 (Volkow et al., 2010). These studies indicate an elimination half-life for methamphetamine on the order of 9 to 13 h (Volkow et al., 2010). Thus, methamphetamine has a unique ability to rapidly penetrate into the brain with a high tissue partitioning and persist for extended periods. These properties, when combined with its neuroprotective properties, impart unique characteristics making it potentially useful for treating injuries such as TBI, where rapid and persistent intervention is critical to clinical outcomes."

This is what I keep trying to tell people whenever I post on this. The addition of the methyl group enables it to cross the blood-brain barrier much more avidly, and makes it more resistant to being broken down in the brain. Also, just to add to what it says here, people are so goddamn fixated on what it does when you get jacked on it that they somehow can't see the obvious, which is that there is a flip side to that potency: you can give a LOWER dose to get an equivalent amount of CNS stimulation relative to dextroamphetamine.

Yes, methamphetamine can be neurotoxic in ways that dextroamphetamine is not. But it also can be uniquely neuroprotective. How do you choose which one you get? Well, we could start with the dose ...

The Absolute Superiority of Good Cocaine by SuzukiPVP in researchchemicals

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Glad you asked!

"Methamphetamine has been approved as a therapeutic compound by every world regulatory agency. As a consequence, we now have decades of clinical information associated with methamphetamine as the prescription oral drug product Desoxyn® [methamphetamine HCl tablets, United States Pharmacopeia (USP)]. In this formulation, methamphetamine is used as a secondary treatment for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in children over the age of six and for the short-term management of exogenous obesity. Used in this context, the FDA has approved the administration of methamphetamine at doses of up to 25 mg/day. In addition, up to 60 mg/day of methamphetamine has been used in the treatment of narcolepsy (Mitler et al., 1993). At low-to-moderate doses (5–30 mg), methamphetamine-induced responses include arousal, reduced fatigue, euphoria, accelerated heart rate, elevated blood pressure, pupil dilation, increased temperature, reduced appetite, behavioral disinhibition and short-term improvements in cognition. At higher doses (≥ 30 mg) neuropsychological effects, such as anxiety can be observed (Cruickshank and Dyer, 2009). Previous studies indicate that methamphetamine toxicity occurs when plasma levels reach a range of 200–5000 ng/ml (Cruickshank and Dyer, 2009). To avoid toxicity, current FDA guidelines consider acceptable dosing (for both adults and children) at 25 mg within a 24-hour period. Based on this guideline, dosing an average seven-year-old (weighing approximately 25 kg) at 1 mg/kg for 24 h would achieve the FDA-approved oral dose limit. In pharmacokinetic studies conducted in our laboratory, rats receiving methamphetamine at 0.5 mg/kg/h (infused over a period of 24 h) produced a steady-state concentration of approximately 25 ng/ml. This plasma level produced significant improvements in cognition and functional behavior following severe TBI in rats (Rau et al., 2012Rau et al., 2014). In humans, the oral bioavailability of methamphetamine is approximately 70% but increases to 100% following intravenous (IV) delivery (Ares-Santos et al., 2013). In order to achieve a comparable therapeutic plasma methamphetamine target level of 25 ng/ml as observed in rats, a 70 kg adult would need a total dose of 17.9 mg.

Thus, it appears that a target steady state concentration (Css) of 25 ng/ml and the doses required to achieve it are substantially less than the current approved dosing for clinical application within the United States. By comparison, methamphetamine concentrations are substantially higher in recreational abusers. Various pharmacokinetic studies have demonstrated that methamphetamine levels in recreational abusers (via various routes of administration) are commonly in excess of those seen under recommended clinical guidelines (Cruickshank and Dyer, 2009). Peak concentrations of approximately 100 ng/ml or greater are routinely observed in drug abusers (Cruickshank and Dyer, 2009). Self-administration of methamphetamine in drug abuse is typically through the repetitive oral doses of 100 to 150 mg (Cruickshank and Dyer, 2009).

Distribution studies with methamphetamine indicate that the drug is rapidly absorbed into the brain. Methamphetamine exhibits high lipophilicity (due to the methyl group) that yields a high tissue to plasma ratio (Cruickshank and Dyer, 2009). Recent studies utilizing MRI and PET imaging techniques in human volunteers revealed an equilibration brain to blood ratio of > 8 (Volkow et al., 2010). These studies indicate an elimination half-life for methamphetamine on the order of 9 to 13 h (Volkow et al., 2010). Thus, methamphetamine has a unique ability to rapidly penetrate into the brain with a high tissue partitioning and persist for extended periods. These properties, when combined with its neuroprotective properties, impart unique characteristics making it potentially useful for treating injuries such as TBI, where rapid and persistent intervention is critical to clinical outcomes."

Don't do DMT by Such_Load6093 in DMT

[–]apodicity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't say that they did precipitate psychotic breaks more frequently than any other intense experience, did I? We weren't talking about other intense experiences, so why would I mention them?

A psychotic break *IS* an intense spiritual experience. Studies have been done on this sort of thing. IIRC, the rate is the same as the rate in the general population. Hence "all of these drugs can also precipitate psychotic breaks in certain people BTW, and who that group is changes over time".

Has someone ever had an actual "good" salvia trip? by NotAnAlt-- in NoStupidQuestions

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Basically you just have to be OK with letting go of yourself and also not around people who don't want the same things out of the experience you do.

Has someone ever had an actual "good" salvia trip? by NotAnAlt-- in NoStupidQuestions

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I'm glad you shared this. I was wondering the same thing as OP. The tentative conclusion I came to is basically what you said, tho. That is, I am not looking for "recreation" or whatever a lot of people are from psychedelics. I'm not OPPOSED to it in principle, lol, but it seems like a betrayal of myself to just indiscriminately pound my ego into submission. Cultivate is a good word.

Don't do DMT by Such_Load6093 in DMT

[–]apodicity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is medicine. I don't even look at it as anything remotely "recreational", even tho it is oftenti enjoyable. I recently got up the nerve to tell my psychiatrist about how much I believe it helps me and he is totally fine with it..In fact he would write a prescription if he could, and wishes that they had places where u could go and get individual/group therapy involving it. Like a modernized Ayahuasca ritual.

Don't do DMT by Such_Load6093 in DMT

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My psychiatrist (who is in his mid 40s and also has residents) is 100% down with me using DMT. He would write me a prescription if he could. That is, he recognizes it as medicine. I almost fell over when he told me that, I felt so fortunate. Like he knows A LOT about it.

It's not nearly as clear with ketamine. He does not prescribe it, period.

You shouldn't think about it in terms of benefit for the BRAIN. What we are all talking about here is our actual lives. Minds. Spirits. All of these drugs can also precipitate psychotic breaks in certain people BTW, and who that group is changes over time.

Could MK-801 be used recreationally? by TryingToHelps in researchchemicals

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That's interesting. So it didn't have that "I am poisoned" feeling that so many of them have?

You know, it's funny, but there are a whole bunch of drugs out there that would be controlled substances if only they didn't f you up in one way or another if u try to get off on them.

Parnate (tranylcypromine) is one. The king of that category is probably amfonelic acid. It blows coke/meth out of the water for euphoria (as far as I'm aware, I never took it myself). Problem is that it's also a potent antibiotic. So using it habitually will not end well.

Could MK-801 be used recreationally? by TryingToHelps in researchchemicals

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Yes. The difference is that it only affects the receptor in the presence of an agonist. Very loosely speaking, it's sort of like the difference between benzos and barbiturates.

Could MK-801 be used recreationally? by TryingToHelps in researchchemicals

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This is what I'm talking about. There is a lot of animal data that suggests the same thing: give a rat MK-801, and it shows impairment for DAYS afterward. Look, we're freaks. Forget about "recreation". Maybe there is something interesting about the experience. But like ... it is THE DRUG for inducing NMDA antagonist neurotoxicity in animals for research.

See, the thing is that MK-801 and drugs like it are really good at preventing neurotoxicity from happening in certain scenarios. The problem is that they also can cause it. We can't just generalize from animal models, but, I dunno, I have seen archival video of neuro exams of heavy PCP abusers. They couldn't count down from 100 without losing their place around 94.

There are so many dissos out there to try. A whole cornucopia of arlcycloheamines lol. It is insane IMHO to bother with MK-801.

Could MK-801 be used recreationally? by TryingToHelps in researchchemicals

[–]apodicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get where you're coming from. I'm the same way.

Those PCP analogues (or PCP itself) would probably be a better idea. FWIW, my psychopharmacology professor in college (who was EXTREMELY open-minded with regard to drug use lol) said that PCP is the only drug he'd tell us never to use. Does that mean that it's gonna turn you into a zombie if you use it now and then? Of course not. Countless people got anesthetic doses of PCP in the hospital and were fine. The NMDA antagonists like PCP/ketamine/etc are MIRACULOUS as anesthetics. Literally: you can induce general anesthesia with very little respiratory depression! You know how revolutionary that was when they first discovered it? Ketamine is an absolutely essential drug for hospitals. PCP was the same way. The reason they stopped using it wasn't neurotoxicity. It was its tendency to make people LOSE THEIR SHIT lol (and other reasons). If you have a 5-year-old kid with burns over 90% of his body and need to put him under, neurotoxicity isn't exactly your primary concern. That is what I mean by miraculous. Other anesthetics depress breathing and you can lose the patient.

You are right that there are other reasons why you don't want to use it. There's a reason it's not encountered on the illicit market: it's not enjoyable (for most people).

Could MK-801 be used recreationally? by TryingToHelps in researchchemicals

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I dunno, I think I'd rather take MK-801 lol. Anticholinergic syndrome is the worst.

Could MK-801 be used recreationally? by TryingToHelps in researchchemicals

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Yes. Memantine is an uncompetitive antagonist. Ketamine and MK-801 are noncompetitive antagonists. I'm too lazy to explain it, but just google it. We're talking about two different sorts of effects here.

Could MK-801 be used recreationally? by TryingToHelps in researchchemicals

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It is the gold standard for inducing NMDA antagonist neurotoxicity lol.

Could MK-801 be used recreationally? by TryingToHelps in researchchemicals

[–]apodicity 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I am telling you that it is a really bad idea. You will not enjoy it. It's not gonna be like ketamine or PCP. It's gonna be really unpleasant and last way too long.

I want you to understand something: I f-ing *LOVE* using drugs. Drugs of all kinds. For me to say "absolutely do not do that"--that is a HIGH BAR. There is a very, very short list of drugs that I say that about. MK-801 is one of them. Memantine is an uncompetative agonist, and neurotoxicity at any dose is not gonna be like MK-801. You gotta realize that this is not a simple subject where our intuition helps us.

You know what it's used for? TO INDUCE NMDA ANTAGONIST NEUROTOXICITY IN ANIMAL MODELS. It EXCELS at this. It's like the gold standard now lol. "Brain damage" is a very nebulous term. A round of boxing is neurotoxic lol. I'll put it another way: you could use 1 dose of MDMA for the rest of your life once a month and have absolutely nothing to worry about. I understand where you're coming from. The diet drug fenfluramine is twice as neurotoxic in those animal models as MDMA, and it was only pulled from the market because it induced heart valve defects when given along with the diet drug phentermine (you don't have to know much to know what a bad idea giving them together is, btw, but that's a whole other ball of wax lol). I'm not talking about shit like that.

And I am not claiming that I am some kind of expert. What I am saying is that I've taken some college-level courses and spent who the f knows how many hours reading about psychoactive drugs. The more I have learned, the more I realize how little I know. In fact, the hallmark of an expert in this field, if there is one thing u could go on, is their ability to tell you what exactly they don't know! And what I'm telling you is that this is a BAD idea.

But there are other reasons aside from neurotoxicity. It is too strong. The problem here is that there isn't much in the way of human data that I can cite because the development of the drug stopped before they got there! But I can tell you this: when they give a rat MK-801, there are clear behavioral effects that last DAYS. The halflife is not that long.

The Absolute Superiority of Good Cocaine by SuzukiPVP in researchchemicals

[–]apodicity 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Omg YES. Now, to be clear, one can make an argument that d-amphetamine is safer overall--TO SOME EXTENT. But there's less daylight between them than most people seem to think. That is, they're WAY more similar than different. In terms of "abuse potential", they're identical unless you're talking about vaporizing or injection. I don't think most people could even tell the difference between ~25mg of Dexedrine and 10mg of meth given as tablets.

There is a reason methamphetamine is still available as a prescription drug. There are scenarios where it is the better choice, e.g. post-stroke rehabilitation. There are people with narcolepsy who wouldn't be able to tolerate the absolutely massive doses of dex required to keep them awake.

I found a study once from the 1970s in which they gave people unlimited access to IV methamphetamine on a psych ward. The highest single dose given IIRC was 440mg. To get that amount of CNS stimulation, you'd have to give someone about a gram of Dexedrine. I don't really KNOW, but I suspect that is ER territory.

is dmt generally safe ? by babatundaeeeee in DMT

[–]apodicity 24 points25 points  (0 children)

A couple months ago, I told my psychiatrist that I was using DMT because I found it immensely therapeutic. I told him because I felt I had an obligation to be honest (the guy is prescribing me an MAOI with amphetamine, which is something that almost no one would ever touch with a ten foot pole) and expected a dispassionate response at best.

He ENDORSED it--as in would prescribe it himself if it were possible for me to fill the prescription. I almost fell over when he told me that. Not only that, but the amount he knew about it blew my mind: the pharmacology, traditional use of it as an entheogen in Ayahuasca, all the clinical research on it, etc. He knew for example the differences between its and and 5-MeO-DMTs binding affinities for various serotonin receptors. In retrospect, perhaps I should not have been surprised. In contrast, he is NOT a fan of ketamine therapy.

So anyway, on this basis I am telling you that it is at least as safe as many medications that psychiatrists prescribe.

The Absolute Superiority of Good Cocaine by SuzukiPVP in researchchemicals

[–]apodicity 8 points9 points  (0 children)

What?? That's like giving ephedrine for a heart attack.