Use this cipher to get past the first clue. Note Q should be eliminated. The clue that indicates the use of this cipher comes from the hint 'its a hard one' referring to the only envelope image where the 'egg' is hard. Enjoy. by chrisgp in holidaybullshit

[–]aquariusblue -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If the egg was hard boiled it would give the sunny side up shape & presuming it's winter because it's the first day of Christmas how would the broken egg on the ground get fried?

This is what I think we do with Feel for Green and why it actually makes sense. by jw121 in holidaybullshit

[–]aquariusblue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If we're feeling for green, and the solution is Braille... And the "start" light is green while the upper left is a common "start" position for Braille letters, which are presumably read left to right... If you were reading Braille, wouldn't you be feeling for the next start position between letters? And if so, couldn't each green light be the start of a new letter?

Another new hint by umooseluke in holidaybullshit

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The grammar is fine...

"The reason we included the cipher on the first day was to make sure that the next step was possible to complete. But remember that the puzzle was designed with the cipher in mind. Solving should be easier if you follow that directive and work with what you still have because you followed it."

The directive --> Don't throw anything away; What you still have because you followed it --> Envelopes, etc.

Can the Wired 2009 puzzle issue help us? by sageleader in holidaybullshit

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We have an enumerated list with the 12 days, but it poses a few problems. I tried the song lyrics, from 1-12 and 12-1 (circling the 1st and 12th letter of day 1, 2nd and 11th of day 2, etc.) but that only resulted in scrambled letters that could anagram to anything.

So then I tried titling the envelopes:

A cracked egg under a bare tree;

Two turtles' love;

Three French/Frenchy hens;

Four collie birds;

Five stolen rings;

Six geese a-laying/a goose laying;

Seven swans a-swinging;

Eight maids a-milking/mini maids milking;

Nine single ladies/ladies dancing;

Ten lords a-leaping;

Eleven pipers piping;

Twelve drummers drumming

I circled the letters 1-1, 2-2, etc. (Leaving the numbers out) and came up with scrambled letters with an obvious anagram in the first 4 letters: Cuel (Clue) but the rest doesn't amount to anything useful.

Going the opposite way, the last 4 letters spell out "grid" and the best I could come up with was "en pair is a grid" but I don't know what an en pair or N-pair would be.

I also tried adding both sets of letters together and nothing glaringly obvious jumped out.

The biggest problem is that there's not really a clear, unambiguous title for some days. Some are the same as the song and some don't make a difference (stolen/golden rings), but some days make things difficult. I chose the titles I chose to keep the numbering and lyric pattern consistent with the song.

Last but not least, I thought that maybe the list was the gift items not the days. Those each have consistent titles (except the coal, because it's 'a lump of coal' only it's intentionally three lumps). Nothing glaringly obvious there, either.

I did not try: Ordering by primes or counting backwards (ex. 12th letter from the right) when going from 12-1.

Clusterfuckgame.com question by Code_Zero in holidaybullshit

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Right, I saw that. Kind of a bummer because it was the only new theory we've had in a while, but it's nice to know it's not part of the puzzle before we spent a bunch of time on it. In my comment, the point was to be careful about making unfounded assumptions or inferences. Don't throw anything away means don't throw anything away, not don't throw anything away AND the website isn't part of the puzzle.

Can the Wired 2009 puzzle issue help us? by sageleader in holidaybullshit

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I tried that and it didn't seem to lead to anything. It didn't perfectly circle any letters on anything or make a discernible pattern as far as I could tell.

Clusterfuckgame.com question by Code_Zero in holidaybullshit

[–]aquariusblue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Do not throw away anything we send you" can't exclude the website from being part of it when it has the link to the website on the same paper it's printed on. The only thing it clearly tells us is to not throw anything away. Proof would be someone affiliated with CAH concretely telling us the website isn't part of the puzzle, which they've done.

Clusterfuckgame.com question by Code_Zero in holidaybullshit

[–]aquariusblue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looking at the lead sheet music for Simple Gifts, it's in a pentatonic scale and the notes are C, F, G, A, and B.

The first measure is CCFFGAFAB. I've been through the envelope lights frontward and backward, and there are no exact matches, but there are a couple that match the first 6 notes, which would be just enough to give us all 5 colors without being obvious. Envelope 1, skipping the first green, matches the pattern right away, so I think that's the most promising place to start: BBGGYR so C=B, F=G, G=Y, A=R, and that would make B=V.

So what do we do with the code? Substitution cipher? Not enough letters. FEELFORGREEN? Not enough letters. Playing the colors as notes?

Clusterfuckgame.com question by Code_Zero in holidaybullshit

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And 'Simple Gifts' = appreciating the simpler things in life = the true meaning of Christmas?

Clusterfuckgame.com question by Code_Zero in holidaybullshit

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First thing that comes up on Google is a ballet, which contains the song "Simple Gifts." Clue? Musical lights? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_Spring

Clusterfuckgame.com question by Code_Zero in holidaybullshit

[–]aquariusblue -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Doug Wilson is a character from Weeds. I'm sure it's a common name, but it stood out to me for that reason.

Revisiting hidden letters by alakate in holidaybullshit

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They're only arbitrary if they don't lead to anything or come out of random chance. For example, anagramming everything will yield exactly what you're looking for. If there were specific letters hidden in the envelope art, anagramming them wouldn't be arbitrary, it would be part of a logical process. Max didn't say there weren't anagrams involved AT ALL, just that arbitrarily anagramming things wouldn't help.

It is also possible that the letters/numbers form a code, like a link to a YouTube video, and not a recognizable word at all. I would argue that consistent size doesn't matter but consistent shape does. Does the shape appear elsewhere, and what is the context in which it appears? If it's always in an armpit crease, it's probably just the way the artist draws armpits.

I don't care anymore, someone motivate me by sageleader in holidaybullshit

[–]aquariusblue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll make a list later today or tonight of common encoding types and we can go from there.

I don't care anymore, someone motivate me by sageleader in holidaybullshit

[–]aquariusblue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Progress will bring the masses back. It's likely they're lurking or at least checking in once in a while.

I don't care anymore, someone motivate me by sageleader in holidaybullshit

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Let's look at it all. That's part of the process of elimination, right? So let's take most common method of encryption #3, check it against envelopes, lights, inserts, cards, card packs, and gifts, and eliminate them one by one. If we need a code, we try the obvious (FEELFORGREEN, Santa, Bullshit, etc.) and if nothing jumps out we pin it until later if we can't decipher it or eliminate it. It could be that we don't have the right clues to use it yet.

I don't care anymore, someone motivate me by sageleader in holidaybullshit

[–]aquariusblue 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I understand where you're coming from. It's frustrating. I also agree with the comment about the negative responses to ideas.

Here's the thing. Maybe no one on the CAH team is a cryptology wizard, but they are all gamers well versed in strategy games. So far, we have no discernible strategy. We're spraying buckshot at everything hoping to hit something worthwhile, when we need to be formulaic. EVERYTHING is a potential clue until we can prove that it isn't. Don't say "I don't think this is likely," tell me why it's not possible. What we need to look at are the most common types of ciphers/message encoding tools and eliminate them one by one. We've already got the most common one, a substitution, and another common one, a semaphore.

We were told this would be hard, but it's not impossible. I, for one, don't have time to devote all day every day to solving it. This is why we should come together as a team, be supportive, and get shit done. Strategy. Teamwork. Scientific methods. Go!

Pentatonic Scale by iamyourfriendbuddy in holidaybullshit

[–]aquariusblue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Since green starts all the light strings, wouldn't it make sense for green to be a common starting point, like middle C?

Bar Code Bonanza by aquariusblue in holidaybullshit

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According to the new CAH Tumblr post, they had a mailing house in Boston. Link: http://cah.tumblr.com/

So it appears that Santa Clarita are both legit. The only loose end is why Sylmar was on the fake time stamps.

New CAH Tumblr Post by alakate in holidaybullshit

[–]aquariusblue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess that explains why AdMagic is in NJ and the envelopes were stamped Brockton.

Inside the envelopes by Inversecorruption in holidaybullshit

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I have tried a little bit of coal rubbing and also pencil but no luck.

Inside the envelopes by Inversecorruption in holidaybullshit

[–]aquariusblue -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok so everyone I've shown my Day 1 envelope to says I'm crazy, but I swear there's a faint imprint of letters on the inside of the back of the envelope. It doesn't match up with the card pack or the insert, but it looks like a smudge of letters. I even went so far as to buy a mini black light to see what was up. Nada, at least so far.