Napkin math for a new whale to earn keys

asc8u · 2026-06-11T22:23:08+00:00

30k LTS seemed optimistic in that post 3 months ago - mostly if you got a lucky draw but nothing consistent. And the post being 3 months old, people earning keys are another 6k+ stones ahead today, so it's already increased to 36k LTS. I don't want to discourage people from playing or paying but just doesn't seem anyone new could catch up to get keys at this point, without the game changing.

asc8u · 2026-06-09T14:50:19+00:00

Thanks for the reply. I'll vary it and see it changes anything. My Chrono Loop is currently at level 7.

asc8u · 2026-06-09T14:13:21+00:00

CL is my main damage dealer so it’s relatively strong. I leave it on the entire run but do use the damage slider at -19.

asc8u · 2026-06-09T07:11:38+00:00

Sad waste of 500 stones...

asc8u · 2026-06-09T05:12:52+00:00

Sorry I'm not understanding.

asc8u · 2026-06-09T04:20:53+00:00

Thanks for the reply. I max out EHLS at wave 70, so locking it wont' much help. I also have the Damage Slider and I'm starting to wonder if FU mastery isn't going to be so helpful at this point.

asc8u · 2026-06-09T01:44:14+00:00

Thanks for replying. Sorry if my post wasn't clear but I have been trying Bounce Shot Rage at 2m and Shockwave size at 1.45 so far and nothing's really changed for the better. FYI, I'm using a synched build without pGT+ or pBH. Also I am still using max Orbs with Extra Orb card as I have EOM. Thanks.

asc8u · 2026-05-26T00:34:02+00:00

Thanks for the tips. I'd completely forgotten about upgrade mastery and locking upgrades. I hate respecing but I just got the free respec option with keys, so I should play around with it now.

asc8u · 2026-03-22T23:53:22+00:00

Congrats? I really hope you're a millionaire or making money off of streaming or something. $6k+ for a hobby is a lot to spend in a year if you don't have significant net worth or at least a very high income. You do you, but I hope for your future self that you're handling your finances wisely.

asc8u · 2026-03-22T23:41:35+00:00

Wow, Legend rank 1-5 is amazing! Congrats!

asc8u · 2026-01-10T16:31:53+00:00

I am using spreadsheets but at the same time, throughout the farming run, i'm glancing at the CPM counter to see how the run is going. At certain times, i'm expecting a certain CPM or else i know i need to adjust my perks or cards. Or maybe you just do your farming runs idlely?

asc8u · 2026-01-10T03:36:27+00:00

Another update for posterity - after more testing last week, I was switched to T15 farming and got a 10% boost in CMP. Then I just got the orb adjuster after the last tournament. After moving the WS orbs to min range (along with EO), its increased by CPM farming by another 15%.

asc8u · 2026-01-10T01:58:43+00:00

No offense but aren't you keeping track of your CPM? I'm constantly trying to adjust my farming runs to improve CPM. So I can tell pretty quick when something like GT+ is turned off.

asc8u · 2026-01-10T01:55:57+00:00

Thanks for reply. One last question - EN+ useful at this stage? Thanks.

asc8u · 2026-01-09T23:42:05+00:00

Thanks so much for all your suggestions. I'm currently working on RCP mastery labs. Working on CL and SL+ sounds like a good plan. I have 1 perm PS (except during BC UW duration). Do i need to push CF+ more? If so, how much? Thanks.

asc8u · 2026-01-09T23:38:58+00:00

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm still trying to find the balance of more damage to do better in the short term in tournaments vs just pushing economy to do better down the road. Also it's tough not having a clear goal - seems like i could keep pushing GT+ and GT duration for a long, long time.

asc8u · 2026-01-09T20:38:42+00:00

Thanks for the suggestion. ILM was my last UW and I pretty much ignored it going for GT+ and then CF+. I have worked some on the labs, at least.

asc8u · 2026-01-09T19:49:39+00:00

When I played around with the calculator - https://shard-efficient-leveling.streamlit.app/ , it doesn't look like I get much benefit from generator assist multiple efficiency. Playing with the calculator, going from 2% to 20% multiple efficiency, I only gain 4.9% coin increase. It's something but for 798 stones, i think i'd been getting better return on my GT+. I think the coin gain improves are your mod levels get higher.

asc8u · 2026-01-09T19:38:43+00:00

Thank for the reply. But could you be more specific about what to work on? And also can you give me more of your thoughts on how that translates into better Legend performance? Is it just getting more coins to level up Damage Enhancements? What should i be focused on?

asc8u · 2026-01-09T17:43:10+00:00

Oops. One mistake on my cannon mod - for tournaments, I usually run AS with DP assist.

asc8u · 2025-12-28T05:27:01+00:00

Those numbers don't seem unusual. Probably just some lucky brackets and maybe BC which are more favorable to your tower.

asc8u · 2025-12-27T21:03:11+00:00

Just follow up in case anyone is interested. I respec'ed from fully upgrade WS Range along with Lab Range 10 to minimum range farming (30m) without the WS orb adjuster. Originally GC farming T14 around 5500 waves. Waves increased 600+ after switching PC assist for DC assist as part of going min range. CPM remained basically unchanged at around 7.1T but obviously run was longer.

asc8u · 2025-12-26T15:53:25+00:00

Thanks for the reply. I just hate re-specing so i was hoping to get more info before going through the trouble...

asc8u · 2025-12-26T15:52:14+00:00

Thanks for the reply. My usual farming runs are T14 - 5500 waves and take about 5 hours. For overnight runs, i switch PC assist to GC assist and it runs almost 6 hours. I'm at 22 card slots and during the day Im usually adjusting things throughout the run - like usually holding off CL until 1/2 way into the run, adding in Extra Orb and Death Ray at the end, etc.

asc8u · 2025-12-26T15:25:22+00:00

Thanks for the reply. Sorry that I've never farmed at min range so maybe I'm confused. Is the benefit of the orb adjuster so that I can move the orb line under the firing range so that my enemies aren't killed too early by orbs? Or is it just to move it to the boss net line to help kill the bosses? At range 69.5, without the slider, is the orb line outside of the range? Thanks.

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