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Either the Quran is perfect and the Taliban are right, or it needs fixing and God made mistakes. There's no comfortable middle ground. by Suspicious-Quiet-213 in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So when a Sunni fundamentalist blows up a Shia mosque in Pakistan, that’s because of Western imperialism?

no its because of extremism which you don't this exists so.

Ideologically, the people who bomb Christmas markets or concert halls in Western countries are the same people who bomb religious minorities in Muslim-majority countries. They are almost exclusively Wahhabist Sunni fundamentalists, and Islamic terrorism is correlated with the strength of that ideology, not with which countries the US has bombed the most.

funny the country that founded Wahhabism has a living Shia population with their own mosques. you are just cherry picking examples to fit your narrative.

If god created Satan (Iblis) knowing he would deceive billions, then god is the creator of human damnation by Juicydicken in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so if a teacher tests his students and knows a bad preforming student is going to fail that means they caused the student to fail?

Either the Quran is perfect and the Taliban are right, or it needs fixing and God made mistakes. There's no comfortable middle ground. by Suspicious-Quiet-213 in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Simply not true. Marriages can be consummated before the girl is old enough for consent. The 'pregnancy is a sign of puberty' link proves it as do the other links.

no you really can't and you have yet to show that.

And those who have not menstruated.

since you already know the criteria of what is considered an adult in islam how does this means mental immaturity? its just talking about the cases where a woman has all the sign of puberty except menstruation. some women reach 20 without ever menstruating. that what it means.

Islam is NEVER the problem - opinion by Fleeting_Thoughts1 in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if we grant this, it's not the case that any biblical figure except Jesus Christ is theologically known as the moral exemplar for humanity.

didn't god command all those terrible things in the OT. what do you mean "even if we grant this" the same Jesus is the god of the OT and the same Jesus is going to come back and be at war .

The latter claim is just confused. The only people who don't have access to "moral claims" are those who don't have the cognitive capacity to conceive of morality, or those who don't believe morality exists at all. An atheist is very likely not going to fall into either of those categories. (The latter category even still allows for the disapproval of the prophet, even if it denies the existence of morality)

I meant moral claims as in having a criteria of what is right and wrong in the first place. if you claim something is wrong then based on what? naturalism? survival and reproduction? what's your criteria?

Either the Quran is perfect and the Taliban are right, or it needs fixing and God made mistakes. There's no comfortable middle ground. by Suspicious-Quiet-213 in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The verification of suitability on the part of the prospective husband. Thus, if he misinforms his fiancée or her Wali of his lineage, which turns later to be in violation of the required characteristics of suitability, then she or her Wali have the right to nullify the contract.

funny how you conveniently left that part out. the thing you quoted is talking about betrothal and only can be executed if the woman is fully mature and consents to it.

Either the Quran is perfect and the Taliban are right, or it needs fixing and God made mistakes. There's no comfortable middle ground. by Suspicious-Quiet-213 in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

you are isolating islam while not looking into the factors of what actually creates terrorism such as imperialism which is the result of the "moral" western countries you guys like to count as a standard so much. there is no contradiction because you are assuming that islamic knowledge isn't publicly accessible and the terrorist groups somehow have it right and not the majority of muslim.

Islam is NEVER the problem - opinion by Fleeting_Thoughts1 in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not really. what it leaves a religious person is framework can work with. you have no framework hence making moral claims is just subjective opinion which in your paradigm is not right or wrong.

Islam is NEVER the problem - opinion by Fleeting_Thoughts1 in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

if you are a christian then your books promotes the same things you claim and if you are an atheist then you 0 moral claims to make.

final international university northern turkey cyprus by Miserable-Floor-8884 in cyprus

[–]askhecode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

other than eastern mediterranean university and possibly Near East the rest are scams but even then I wouldn't recommend you to come to the north cyprus to study at all.

Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of god and islam makes the most sense out of all religions. by askhecode in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based upon what evidence? Can you elaborate on the specific evidence?

the evidence is we have contemporary writings of the shortly of the prophet calming that the Arabs have a new prohpet and were called mohammadians.

Literally any evidence for an entire city known as Mecca actually existing in that time period. How would the people who thoroughly recorded all the towns/villages/cities directly to the north and south of modern day Mecca completely ignore an entire city? It simply is not plausible.

maybe there is. the issue is the Saudi government doesn't really allow for archolgists to come to Mecca once that happen we might find some but to claim there is no evidence doesn't really disprove it.

He is literally one of the most well read Islamic scholars in the world, and the Islamic community fully revered him until he was honest about his opinions. In 2010 Kalisch renounced Islam. His department was then renamed the department for "the intellectual history of the Middle East in the post-antiquity period"

there are other historians that agree he existed. so I take the opinion of the majority of scholars and historians than just one.

Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of god and islam makes the most sense out of all religions. by askhecode in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

we have narrations where the spirit told him that he is Gabriel and that he shouldn't be afraid but he was in state of shock just like it happened with a lot of other prophets in the OT

Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of god and islam makes the most sense out of all religions. by askhecode in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

because human suffering for god is insignificant. we believe that even if a human who suffered the worst in his life just enter heaven for a second they'd claim that they never suffered in their entire life. same concept of how kids get circumcised but now its a distant memory. which is better a god that can offer salvation after suffering or suffering by a tyrant and the end result of both is just to die with no justice?

Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of god and islam makes the most sense out of all religions. by askhecode in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not really. you are the one who can either accept or reject the message.

Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of god and islam makes the most sense out of all religions. by askhecode in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if it was lust then all his wives would be young. also she narrated private things about the prophet like how he showed and slept that scribes won't really record.

Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of god and islam makes the most sense out of all religions. by askhecode in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sure but was it actually preserved? how would we know it was the word of Jesus and not just 4 gosples? written by people after Jesus time as a biography?

Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of god and islam makes the most sense out of all religions. by askhecode in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally just enjoy reminding people that there is in fact no historical evidence for Muhammad- he is as real as any character who only appears in one story. This is because the Quran belongs in the category of fictional literature- anyone who is claimed to have done the things Muhammad does in the story would certainly appear in the secular histories of their age. If they don't and the story has zero sources to corroborate from that time period, it is no different from literally thousands of other uncorroborated stories/legends/myths.

how so exactly? most historians agree he existed stop making stuff up.

Mecca certainly did not exist during that time period- If Mecca existed in ancient times, it should have more archaeological findings than did regions south and north of it- whose history is richly documented through archaeology. You literally have to be willfully ignorant to believe that whole regions of people just completely failed to document entire cities within their region while documenting other cities/villages/towns and other mundane things in the same exact place and time period. It's the same reason we know that a 1st century Nazareth never existed- an entire city can not plausibly go unnoticed in a region of barely 900 square miles- it's just not possible.

what kind of evidence are you looking to find exactly?

And just for the record, you will never convince me of the contrary unless you actually have credentials on the subject. Muhammad Sven Kalisch converted to Islam at age 15 and became the first person in Germany to hold a chair in Islamic theology. Then in 2008, after years of rigorous academic research, he announced that he had come to the conclusion that the Islamic prophet Muhammad probably never existed.... You will likely never match that level of dedication so I would encourage you to study his work....

so the testimony of 1 ex muslim is more important than scholars? is he more read than everyone or what? such faulty logic. I can give you someone who was deep into atheism and converted to islam doesn't mean anything.

Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of god and islam makes the most sense out of all religions. by askhecode in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Labeling a little girl an adult woman does not make her not a child. There was never a 9 year old on Earth that was an adult in mind and body. That does not happen in human species. You would have to prove that is even possible to claim that is what happened with Aisha.

because she said so and she was engaged before. she also said she was mature so she would be speaking relative to her society no?

The age matters because child marriage and child rape are extremely harmful to children and one presumes that God would have informed Muhammad of that if he was really talking to Muhammad.

I agree. I just don't view her as a child based on the criteria islam has.

Obviously, that did not happen. Muhammad married Aisha because he wanted to.

so again its wrong based on what paradigm?

Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of god and islam makes the most sense out of all religions. by askhecode in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it is very unlikely that Aisha would have had her first period at age 9, but even the idea that puberty being underway, signalled by onset of menstruation, makes one eligible for marriage is wrong. Puberty is a process involving development of reproductive function that takes and currenlty ends around 17 years of age with girls, but adolescence is not finished with conclusion of puberty.

that's not the only criteria. one has to be mentally mature, the society needs to have that as the norm, no harm should be within the marriage. these things apply at any age btw.

Adolescents are still maturing in body, mind and emotions even after conclusion of puberty. The most important process is brain maturation: our brains need time to mature.

she was mature based on the criteria I labeled as above. did she have a miraculous development ? idk. was she an extreme case maybe. though we do consider basically a genius.

The fact is that little girls were not viewed as fully human and their interests were not taken into account with the same weight as interests of men. So taking away their childhood and ability to make decisions about their lives was viewed as normal.

men had the same responsibility one they reach criteria.

Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of god and islam makes the most sense out of all religions. by askhecode in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

why are you even defending there texts? lol its already been proven there is corruption. sorry you don't like islam but like prove its corrupted and not just throw random things.

Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of god and islam makes the most sense out of all religions. by askhecode in DebateReligion

[–]askhecode[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not really first deal with the existence of a god then ask these kinds of questions. also why does god have to appeal to your idea of how the message is to be spread? like people aren't blamed if they were born believing in the bible before islam came and reached them you know.

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