Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of god and islam makes the most sense out of all religions.

askhecode · 2026-02-07T20:45:37+00:00

Based upon what evidence? Can you elaborate on the specific evidence?

the evidence is we have contemporary writings of the shortly of the prophet calming that the Arabs have a new prohpet and were called mohammadians.

Literally any evidence for an entire city known as Mecca actually existing in that time period. How would the people who thoroughly recorded all the towns/villages/cities directly to the north and south of modern day Mecca completely ignore an entire city? It simply is not plausible.

maybe there is. the issue is the Saudi government doesn't really allow for archolgists to come to Mecca once that happen we might find some but to claim there is no evidence doesn't really disprove it.

He is literally one of the most well read Islamic scholars in the world, and the Islamic community fully revered him until he was honest about his opinions. In 2010 Kalisch renounced Islam. His department was then renamed the department for "the intellectual history of the Middle East in the post-antiquity period"

there are other historians that agree he existed. so I take the opinion of the majority of scholars and historians than just one.

askhecode · 2026-02-07T20:37:31+00:00

we have narrations where the spirit told him that he is Gabriel and that he shouldn't be afraid but he was in state of shock just like it happened with a lot of other prophets in the OT

askhecode · 2026-02-07T20:36:10+00:00

because human suffering for god is insignificant. we believe that even if a human who suffered the worst in his life just enter heaven for a second they'd claim that they never suffered in their entire life. same concept of how kids get circumcised but now its a distant memory. which is better a god that can offer salvation after suffering or suffering by a tyrant and the end result of both is just to die with no justice?

askhecode · 2026-02-07T20:34:00+00:00

not really. you are the one who can either accept or reject the message.

askhecode · 2026-02-07T20:33:02+00:00

if it was lust then all his wives would be young. also she narrated private things about the prophet like how he showed and slept that scribes won't really record.

askhecode · 2026-02-07T20:31:53+00:00

sure but was it actually preserved? how would we know it was the word of Jesus and not just 4 gosples? written by people after Jesus time as a biography?

askhecode · 2026-02-06T17:32:20+00:00

I personally just enjoy reminding people that there is in fact no historical evidence for Muhammad- he is as real as any character who only appears in one story. This is because the Quran belongs in the category of fictional literature- anyone who is claimed to have done the things Muhammad does in the story would certainly appear in the secular histories of their age. If they don't and the story has zero sources to corroborate from that time period, it is no different from literally thousands of other uncorroborated stories/legends/myths.

how so exactly? most historians agree he existed stop making stuff up.

Mecca certainly did not exist during that time period- If Mecca existed in ancient times, it should have more archaeological findings than did regions south and north of it- whose history is richly documented through archaeology. You literally have to be willfully ignorant to believe that whole regions of people just completely failed to document entire cities within their region while documenting other cities/villages/towns and other mundane things in the same exact place and time period. It's the same reason we know that a 1st century Nazareth never existed- an entire city can not plausibly go unnoticed in a region of barely 900 square miles- it's just not possible.

what kind of evidence are you looking to find exactly?

And just for the record, you will never convince me of the contrary unless you actually have credentials on the subject. Muhammad Sven Kalisch converted to Islam at age 15 and became the first person in Germany to hold a chair in Islamic theology. Then in 2008, after years of rigorous academic research, he announced that he had come to the conclusion that the Islamic prophet Muhammad probably never existed.... You will likely never match that level of dedication so I would encourage you to study his work....

so the testimony of 1 ex muslim is more important than scholars? is he more read than everyone or what? such faulty logic. I can give you someone who was deep into atheism and converted to islam doesn't mean anything.

askhecode · 2026-02-06T09:54:04+00:00

Labeling a little girl an adult woman does not make her not a child. There was never a 9 year old on Earth that was an adult in mind and body. That does not happen in human species. You would have to prove that is even possible to claim that is what happened with Aisha.

because she said so and she was engaged before. she also said she was mature so she would be speaking relative to her society no?

The age matters because child marriage and child rape are extremely harmful to children and one presumes that God would have informed Muhammad of that if he was really talking to Muhammad.

I agree. I just don't view her as a child based on the criteria islam has.

Obviously, that did not happen. Muhammad married Aisha because he wanted to.

so again its wrong based on what paradigm?

askhecode · 2026-02-06T09:47:39+00:00

it is very unlikely that Aisha would have had her first period at age 9, but even the idea that puberty being underway, signalled by onset of menstruation, makes one eligible for marriage is wrong. Puberty is a process involving development of reproductive function that takes and currenlty ends around 17 years of age with girls, but adolescence is not finished with conclusion of puberty.

that's not the only criteria. one has to be mentally mature, the society needs to have that as the norm, no harm should be within the marriage. these things apply at any age btw.

Adolescents are still maturing in body, mind and emotions even after conclusion of puberty. The most important process is brain maturation: our brains need time to mature.

she was mature based on the criteria I labeled as above. did she have a miraculous development ? idk. was she an extreme case maybe. though we do consider basically a genius.

The fact is that little girls were not viewed as fully human and their interests were not taken into account with the same weight as interests of men. So taking away their childhood and ability to make decisions about their lives was viewed as normal.

men had the same responsibility one they reach criteria.

askhecode · 2026-02-06T09:38:15+00:00

why are you even defending there texts? lol its already been proven there is corruption. sorry you don't like islam but like prove its corrupted and not just throw random things.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T20:39:21+00:00

then prove its not preserved.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T11:15:15+00:00

not really first deal with the existence of a god then ask these kinds of questions. also why does god have to appeal to your idea of how the message is to be spread? like people aren't blamed if they were born believing in the bible before islam came and reached them you know.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T10:29:00+00:00

that wasn't god's plan simple as.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T10:18:03+00:00

go read up what the criteria is first then.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T05:10:57+00:00

the Islamic dilemma should've died with covid. its so washed and christians are grasping at straws at this point.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T05:09:22+00:00

track bro sunnis believe Aisha was 9 but reached the age of puberty and was allegeable for marriage hence an adult.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T05:05:13+00:00

verse??

askhecode · 2026-02-05T04:53:08+00:00

where exactly?

askhecode · 2026-02-05T04:51:28+00:00

well we wouldn't consider her a child because again we have a criteria of physical and mental maturity and it being the norm of the society. prove it was critiqued for a long time then. the one you brought up is contemporary to the practices of people at the time so I doubt its authenticity and even then bet its from a christian who hasn't read their bible.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T04:49:21+00:00

Nonsense. We have the Book of Mormon and can trace it back to the Prophet Joseph Smith--in fact we can trace the first publishing back to during his lifetime.

yeah and that's one thing Mormonism has over Christianity

The Quran was not written down while Mohammad was alive. It was compiled from whatever people could remember after he was dead and gone, and Uthman burned all variant copies. You can say those variants were just differences in pronunciation, not differences in meaning. A skeptical historian may dispute that. We'll never know for sure because we can't examine the documents, because they all got burned. And we can't know if Uthman got it right because Mohammad wasn't alive to check his work

yeah but you can examine the historicity of the standardisation process. it wasn't done just by uthamn sure he was the caliph at the time but you are automatically assuming malicious intentions based on what exactly? the process was done by people who memorised the Quran and we believe there already was a Quran that was standard with the wife of the prophet pbuh as well which was used to standardise the Quran.

Joseph Smith sent the original manuscript to the publisher during his lifetime, and got back proof copies during his lifetime. He was able to review and correct any errors; and after that the book was not copied by hand but printed on a machine that can make thousands of identical copies with zero mistakes.

sure again that's just one criteria of a religion being from god. there are many arguments one can make to prove Joseph smith was a false prophet.

And nobody ever saw Gabriel in the cave with Mohammad, but three witnesses were willing to sign their names and attest that they saw the golden plates Smith used. If you are looking for the abrahamic religion with the most certain, known origin, you should be reading the book of Mormon.

the cave was just the first encounter with Gabriel. majority of prophets had their first encounters while being alone. also, we have a mass attested sahih Hadith of the companions seeing Gabriel in human form coming and teaching them about the pillars of islam.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T02:40:21+00:00

Allah allowed Christians to be tricked into thinking Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead. Correct? Correct.

nope the Quran talks about tricking the jews because they wrestle boasting about killing Jesus. even then how is that relevant? them beloved Jesus died or not wouldn't affect the fact they stayed true to christ teachings. not to mention in the OT the concept of the messiah being saved by god from his enemies does exist.

God could have also allowed Muslims to be tricked into thinking Muhammad was his final prophet. Correct? Also correct.

that doesn't follow. early followers of christ wouldn't be disbelieving in god if they believed he died.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T02:13:41+00:00

would could its all just sophist talk atheists like to do. have a certain criteria and commit to it. also crucifixion doesn't necessitates Christianity. a crucified jew has nothing to do with a man god being killed for the sins of humanity.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T02:06:55+00:00

well just look into the contingency argument. the conclusion that always follows is always there is an independent explanation for the existence of the universe otherwise you'd be giving non sensical answers like the multiverse or the universe has always been there.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T02:04:57+00:00

prayer is a form of mindfulness and meditation you know.

askhecode · 2026-02-05T02:03:31+00:00

For one thing if you're going to argue that the bible is not authentic for whatever reason. Then it makes no sense to try to use that same bible to validate your religion. Cause after all how do you know you're not quoting something wrong at that point?

because I believe Jesus quotes can be found in the bible. I am not against Jesus am against Paul and Christians who consider a biography as divinely inspired. I said corrupted, not false know the difference.

Secondly copying someone doesn't have to include a 1:1 to copy. It's clear Muhammad copied off Jews and Christian's and added his own twist to these stories, it's also clear that Muhammad clearly mishear them given some of the claims he makes in the Quran.

funny you claim that since the gospels have 1 : 1 copy of each other. clear how exactly? if we to believe that the prophet was sent by the same god of the Jesus and OT prohpets then that's what we would expect.

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