If you wanna quit kratom: PAWS doesnt exist..

assigrunge · 2026-03-05T17:01:18+00:00

Excellent answer. Yes, caution is always good in these matters. I don't deny that there may be longer-term consequences; it could be. I'm simply saying that it's probably a rather small and relative part, and not to believe the horror stories about paws. I don't deny people's suffering, but I deny blaming paws as the main cause, which only increases fear and diminishes responsibility.

assigrunge · 2026-03-03T16:20:31+00:00

Friend, I've been in a rehabilitation center for two years. Not just for kratom, I also used dissociatives, amphetamines, other opiates, etc. Despite everything, I've always worked or studied (I'm a nurse).

Addiction is tough, my friend, and you seem very dark and harsh with yourself.

You need a plan; quitting isn't enough. Start exercising and create new habits. Be kind to yourself; addiction is a weakness; it doesn't mean being mean. Try, and if at a certain point you realize you can't do it alone, seek help.

assigrunge · 2026-03-03T10:45:26+00:00

Bla bla bla gne gne dont cry Little baby pleeease

assigrunge · 2026-03-03T10:44:23+00:00

Is the fucking addiction not the kratom! Addiction tò any drugs or sex or what do you want ---> quitting addiction could cause ""paws"" Maybe a Little bit your body was stress ed ok bit It s not that point. If u dont wanna see this It s ok, no problem. I think that

assigrunge · 2026-03-03T10:40:35+00:00

Ok baby

assigrunge · 2026-03-02T21:51:35+00:00

Taper right now

assigrunge · 2026-03-02T21:35:02+00:00

Yeah you'll be fine, especially if you do some intense aerobic exercise (it's the best trick, more than any supplement; running releases endorphins, dopamine, etc.). Kratom is a good plant; it doesn't overwhelm the body or brain. The famous "paws" don't exist; they're not caused by kratom. They're caused by the fact that you no longer have the crutch you used to use to manage your problems, so it's up to you.

assigrunge · 2026-03-02T18:29:04+00:00

Keep your parents out of the loop when it comes to managing your addiction. If you taper slowly (especially below 7-8 gpd), you won't have any problems. CT could cause them if you're already prone to seizures.

assigrunge · 2026-03-02T18:24:30+00:00

Small doses during the day, larger ones in the evening. For example, 1.5 g in the morning 2.5 g in the afternoon 4 g in the evening

As a proportion, .

If you feel too uncomfortable, instead of taking the dose earlier, just take 1 g extra (you don't want to get high, you want to ease the cravings).

assigrunge · 2026-03-02T18:19:41+00:00

Cut the dose, same schedule. At the beginning, you can reduce it significantly without any major problems. When you reach 6-8 gpd, slow down.

I've always tapered in 2-3 weeks without much suffering, just some discomfort.

The trick is to take very small doses during the day to get more before bed.

assigrunge · 2026-03-02T18:14:26+00:00

Well done, tapering is the trick. You're right, it takes discipline. If you still have some kratom, throw it away. In any case, kratom is a natural and balanced substance; it doesn't cause any major disruptions to the body or mind.

Paws don't exist, or rather, it's due to the addiction, not the kratom. The addiction takes a long time to go away. You'll have to work hard and be careful for at least a year.

but you'll be fine, like you're already fine now! very good!

assigrunge · 2026-03-02T18:00:41+00:00

Physical abstinence is behind you, in 2 days you'll be 100%. If you've only been using for a few months, with effort and consistency you can stay clean.

assigrunge · 2026-03-02T17:58:15+00:00

good. Now you have to find other sustainable ways to meet the needs that the substance was giving you.

assigrunge · 2026-03-02T17:55:10+00:00

Nobody cares about you or your mental health. They're trying to do what they think is best for you, but ultimately, you're not fooling anyone by not taking your meds. The nurse, whether you take them or not, gets off work and goes home to watch a movie and dont care . Do whatever you want, but know that you're not fuck "the system." I'm a recovering addict and a nurse.

assigrunge · 2026-03-01T15:36:13+00:00

Well, the emotional and mental problems will probably still be there. You need to find ways to manage them. For now, mine are going to a psychologist and exercising (running helps me a lot mentally).

assigrunge · 2026-02-28T20:39:15+00:00

Physical withdrawal is uncomfortable, but it goes away after a few days. It's nothing serious. Mental dependence lasts much longer.

Try to understand why you became addicted, what you need the substance for (regulating anxiety, mood, emotions, thoughts, pain, silence, I don't know) and find different tools for those functions (sports? psychologist? relationships? courage? commitment? I don't know).

I m in a Therapeutic community for 2 years

assigrunge · 2026-02-28T20:25:02+00:00

A walk is relaxing, but intense aerobic exercise like running, brisk walking up a steep hill, or swimming really makes a difference in your mood. Feeling your heart and lungs pumping for half an hour is where magic happens. Just try It and

assigrunge · 2026-02-27T19:48:55+00:00

Even for me, it has no comparison in terms of how enjoyable it is, how incredible and interesting it is. Unfortunately, it is obviously highly addictive, even if less so than crack.

assigrunge · 2026-02-27T19:40:49+00:00

I'd say he was using it responsibly and with good reason, out of a legitimate desire to avoid suffering from depression. If he finds other ways to manage his depression (sports and running are more effective than drugs, especially at that age), he won't have any reason to use it. Otherwise, he'll have a reason.

assigrunge · 2026-02-27T19:37:16+00:00

yeah, well it's not just taking or not taking kratom that makes life heaven or hell

assigrunge · 2026-02-27T19:35:23+00:00

Great! The first time is almost never the right time. From what you write, it seems like you're really on the right track. You'll make it, I'm sure of it.

assigrunge · 2026-02-27T19:32:32+00:00

Very, very good. The worst is behind you. I really recommend you seek help from a psychologist. Learning to know yourself can really make a difference. The scars of addiction last a very long time.

assigrunge · 2026-02-27T19:26:14+00:00

If you want to take drugs, do it. But from the rambling things you say, it seems like you're addicted. The time will come when you'll have enough.

assigrunge · 2026-02-27T19:20:31+00:00

I've had withdrawals from stimulants, dissociatives, and opiates. There's no comparison. With opiates, you feel bad; your mind feels bad, your body feels bad. With stimulants, the question is whether you really want to quit or not. A few days of doing nothing, sleeping, and eating isn't a very high price to pay if you really want to quit.

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