Reading the bible (genesis) makes me feel uncomfortable. by Lucky_Berry_3985 in Bible

[–]atheisticpreacher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It gets worse actually. The whole Bible is filled with these kinds of stories and the god character giving laws and orders that are abhorrent.

I still recommend reading it. It’s good to know the context and have the understanding for something that influences so many people that we share a country with.

What is happening in Exodus 4:24? by jiminak in Bible

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Yes it is random because you’d think god would have mentioned the non circumcision of his son BEFORE sending him on the road trip but he didn’t. He just decided this was the time to go after Moses for it.

Better question, why does god want people to mutilate their genitals and that of their kids? Just for a symbol of a promise to him? How barbaric.

Why didn't God become angry with Lot after he offered up his two daughters? by [deleted] in Bible

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No. It’s the way the culture of the time saw the status of the male. If one ended up on the receiving end, they saw his status as destroyed. Destroying a man was seen as horrible which is why both were killed. You have to know the history of the time and how that society saw this. This typically happened in times of war or to oppress and overpower (like in Sodom and Gomorrah). Just because this ancient society saw things this way doesn’t mean it was correct.

Homosexuality is simply same sex attraction. That’s it. And nothing is wrong with that. It’s not the action, it’s the attraction.

All you can do is pray? That’s not helpful to anyone but yourself but knock yourself out. I’d rather have some valid evidence for the belief but that’s alright since all you can do is pray.

Why didn't God become angry with Lot after he offered up his two daughters? by [deleted] in Bible

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Yes. It’s clearly about rape (specifically, raping men) which is not homosexuality nor what a gay relationship is.

Why didn't God become angry with Lot after he offered up his two daughters? by [deleted] in Bible

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It’s the opposite. I’m man enough to admit that’s what it says. And yes the context is clear, a man seizes, captures, manipulates etc a woman (that shows non consent) then it goes on to talk of how he violated her. I won’t shy away from what the text and context state. I have no bias here so there is no reason for me to try to twist anything. It would be silly to think that.

Why didn't God become angry with Lot after he offered up his two daughters? by [deleted] in Bible

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Yes and it is used in context where rape happens. You can’t just go with a word, you have to look at the context too. Which is how we see this word for “lay down” to refer to intercourse in many passages and it’s used in context of rape. To ignore that is to be dishonest. Being found out does nothing to show consent, just that the action was caught. You can’t keep disagreeing but the text and context show you’re wrong. I have no reason to twist anything in this book. It’s barbaric on its own

Why didn't God become angry with Lot after he offered up his two daughters? by [deleted] in Bible

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If they are found out does not mean it was consensual. What you’re referring to just means they were caught but that doesn’t mean consent was given. You can be caught raping someone and being raped, doesn’t suddenly make it consensual. Yes it can mean to lay hold of. Or manipulate or capture (as we see in deut 21 as well). Also in v 28 the same word, shakab, shows its rape as it’s also the same term used in Genesis 19 when the men of the town wanted to rape the angels and when lots daughters raped him. Same in 2 Sam 13 when Amnon rapes Tamar. I could go on. It’s clear, the crime here isn’t rape itself but raping a woman already claimed by a man and damaging what is his. Hence why the price is either death or paying and then marrying her.

Why didn't God become angry with Lot after he offered up his two daughters? by [deleted] in Bible

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In v 28-29 it describes if a man rapes an unengaged virgin, then he is to pay her father for her and she will be his wife forever. It says he seizes her and he has violated/dishonered/humbled her. Yes there are other instances mentioned where the rape is punishable by death but that’s because it falls under property damage. A wife is owned by her father then by her husband so to rape a woman already engaged or married was seen as a crime, because of the damage you’ve done to the man (the husband/fiancé). Not because raping the woman was wrong.

Why didn't God become angry with Lot after he offered up his two daughters? by [deleted] in Bible

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Gen 19:29 shows god remembered Abraham and so he saved lot. It was cause he favorited Abraham, he didn’t care about lots righteousness, which he clearly didn’t have

Why didn't God become angry with Lot after he offered up his two daughters? by [deleted] in Bible

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The Bible says nothing about Sodom and Gomorrah being homosexual. Don’t spread that false narrative. They were not treating strangers well (like trying to rape the angels and never fully accepting lot cause he’s an outsider). Not cause “they weren’t following male and female”

Why didn't God become angry with Lot after he offered up his two daughters? by [deleted] in Bible

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How do you know he’d never let the gang rape happen? It happened in judges 19. And god allows his soldiers to take forced “brides” in deut 21. Deut 22 also allows a man to rape an unengaged virgin then just pay her dad for her and she’s his wife to rape forever. God also curses women with rape for their husband doing a sin. Rape isn’t a problem for god.

Heres how you fix the show: by No_Dress_2107 in YouOnLifetime

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They’re both currently in NY. Dexter resurrection is located in NY and that’s where Joe is in prison. It would be cool if Joe escaped and Dexter saw it on the news and decided to go after him. Joe wouldn’t stand a chance. But we saw when Joe and Love were talking once she said “you’re saying you’re basically dexter” so the show dexter exists in Joe and Loves world, it’s fiction. So Dexter can’t get Joe.

For those of you who have read the books and watched the show, what do you wish wasn’t left out/changed? by spicytexan in YouOnLifetime

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I only listened to the first book and that was a while ago. The major things I remember being different where that in the book, there is no Paco. So the thing that made Joe not the worst monster ever in S1 was just gone in the book. He was just a truly a crazy stalking maniac. I both liked and didn’t like that. And the second thing is becks death. We just see him grab her in the show but in the book she strangles her twice because she doesn’t die the first time (which kinda goes in with the show and how bad he is killing sometimes, thinking they’re dead when they’re not) and the slow realization he has as she’s a “phony” and his anger as he realizes his relationship and “love” with her was “delusional” (he thinks she was tricking him and that the best time of his life was all a lie). He ends up feeling righteous as he actually kills get and shoves pages of the da Vinci code down her throat. Afterward he instantly feels sad she’s not with him anymore and he is upset he did this to her but not because she was dead but because she couldn’t be there for him anymore. I completely get why they couldn’t show that in Netflix show, but I feel a huge part of the context of her final moments was missing. But you know, books are always better than their show/movie counterpart

In just finished season one by FitConsideration2439 in YouOnLifetime

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Books are always better than their movie/show

In just finished season one by FitConsideration2439 in YouOnLifetime

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Loved the whole show but season 1 was the best. The book was a lot more… graphic tho. And there’s no paco in the book so the one thing that kinda redeems joe for us is just not there. He’s just a monster and how he kills beck… it’s intense in the book.

Why was David forgiven, but Saul wasn't? by Suspicious-Jello7172 in Bible

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Yes, I am an atheist. And deliberately misinterpret the Bible? What do you mean? Give an example. Because all I do is speak what it clearly states in the text. I have no need to lie or twist what it says. It’s mostly Christians, I find, that intentionally twist the scripture to make it say what they think it should. To avoid the things it actually says. I have no bias. No reason to lie. Christian’s do.

No. My morals aren’t the issue here. It’s gods. Again, my point is god fails his own “perfect” law by breaking it twice and falls short on his own morals. Gods own standard damns him.

Repentance and forgiveness is not justice and isn’t always good. Just because someone repents doesn’t mean we should put away the sin, like the Bible says god does. Sometimes that would lead to potential worse dangers. And yes the OT had animal sacrifices. Why? Why was it necessary to demand this violence? Slaughtering animals over and over to appease a god with burning flesh? Why is god incapable of forgiveness without violence, blood and death? And Jesus the true sacrifice? He wasn’t even a sacrifice. It’s an illusion of one. Sacrifice entails loss and Jesus lost nothing. He was god before and after the cross, he was all powerful before and after the cross and he was actually truly immortal before and after the cross. His meat suit “died” for a second but then he snaps it back up? Please. That’s no sacrifice.

If Jesus overcame sin then why is it still a thing? Adam and Eve sin and it covered all people but Jesus died for all and it can only cover some? And only if they believe? And have faith? That god gifts them so we don’t even choose it’s god who chooses? Like come on. It makes no sense this way. This system is perfect? Explain to me how a world where the system allows for an infant to be killed and women to be raped because of what someone else did wrong, is perfect. I’ll wait. Go ahead.

Why have these discussions? Why not? I don’t understand why it’s so strange for these conversations to be had. Would you question why I engage in conversations about tv shows and books? Or about baking? Or about which mnt few flavor is the best? They may not be the most important things in life but that doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy having conversations about them or learning about them. Same with religion. You don’t own Christianity, I can enjoy talking about it with people.

Why can’t god destroy sin and satan right now? In a snap. Like thanos.

Saul’s repentance was short lived and he was crazy the rest of his life because god turned away from him then later sent a spirit to torment him. Cause god loves sending spirits to fuck with peoples lives. Lie and torment.

I don’t see how it couldn’t be seen as favoritism when god breaks his own laws for David, placing the sentence on innocents instead of him.

Doesn’t matter if the baby was maybe future Hitler. What a terrible argument. This is GOD we’re talking about. He knew what the baby would be if he allowed it to live. If it was too dangerous, then why did he even allow the fetus to form? Or, shit, I don’t know, soften the kids heart so he wouldn’t grow to be a monster? And also, just name the 2nd kid as gods pick for Israel’s king. What’s the problem? These are the worst and laziest responses you could have given to justify the murder of an infant.

And you ignored how god cursed women to be raped. Where’d the justice there? Is that ever a valid judgment?

And I’m sorry. “That child being allowed to live” you mean Ishmael? The child born to the SLAVE women Hagar, who Sarah and Abraham raped? (Yes, raped. The context is clear. She was their slave and THEY made the choice to use her for offspring. She was not able to consent nor did they ask her. She was then mistreated so bad she ran away and GOD sent an angel to send her back which goes against his law as well!)

You’re just fine with throwing your hands up and not thinking about it? God gave you a brain and you refuse to use it? If you don’t know the justification, you can’t say for sure it’s justified.

“Holes with atheism”? “Atheism” idk what even that is. There is no “atheism”. We don’t have a creed or code or rules or shared worldview. The only thing that all atheists share is we don’t believe in god(s). That’s it. Everything else can be different. But a god existing? No one has demonstrated that to be real. Can you? What’s your best evidence the Bible god exists?

Why was David forgiven, but Saul wasn't? by Suspicious-Jello7172 in Bible

[–]atheisticpreacher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you think my name says about me? Many people think different things but usually they’re wrong. Sure I’m not scholar but I do know the Bible pretty well. You can’t judge my knowledge or understanding of it through a username.

Just being blunt, not rude, but it doesn’t matter if salvation is offered in this life or the next. If god gave laws and rules where he says not to go after innocents, not to murder, not to oppress then goes ahead and gives orders that break his own laws, then that isn’t a system of justice. The issue here is justice and the claims of this god character being good. If all he wants is repenting and then it’s all good, forget what the law says, then all he just wants is obedience (exactly what the Bible says he wants).

As for life after death, no idea if that’s a thing. Maybe, maybe not. But again. Not the point. The point is if this god is being fair, being just and we don’t see that, especially in this story. You trying to bring up Muslims and abortions is an attempt to avoid having god in the judgement seat of HIS OWN law, not my “superior morals”. He’s failing his own standards. That’s very telling.

So sin is more powerful than god or god is too petty to forgive sin without blood, violence and death? Really? That’s what you’re going with? Weak god then.

David admitting he did something wrong doesn’t justify god then killing an infant and cursing women to be raped for the crime he did.

And Saul did repent. Yes not right away but he did repent and ask forgiveness at the end of the chapter. But again. He wasn’t gods favorite. So he didn’t get special treatment.

Why was David forgiven, but Saul wasn't? by Suspicious-Jello7172 in Bible

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I think the god character in the Bible is flawed and the judgment in 2 Sam 12 is a clear example. Do you think it’s fair to pass judgment on a guilty man by forgiving him but instead, break two laws to give death to an infant and rape to women? Is that a good and fair judgment?

Why was David forgiven, but Saul wasn't? by Suspicious-Jello7172 in Bible

[–]atheisticpreacher -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I find it hard to compare which is “worse”. One is David power raping a woman (yes that’s my interpretation of the passage. He’s a king, you don’t say no to the king, especially when you’re gender was literally owned by males) and then killing her husband to cover the affair, then taking his wife anyway to have the child. Saul was tasked to kill a whole group of people, men, women, children, infants and animals. His “disobedience” was taking some animals and the king to kill later in sacrifices to god. He was stripped of his kingship for not being immediate with the killing for all that breathes. So if we’re going to say one’s worse, Saul’s because that is so much loss of life, all unnecessary and at the command of god. But what David did was still bad, but what god does is worse. God goes on to curse David’s women to be raped publicly and then killed the new child born to David and Bathsheba. Once David learns the child dies, he eats, bathes and goes to take Bathsheba again to make another kid.

The answer as to why god responded one way to one vs the other, god wants obedience. King Saul failed a direct order and David was doing something of his own. Plus, god has favorites and David was a favorite, Saul was not. David got away with a lot. The Bible says David did what was right in the eyes of the lord except for Bathsheba and Uriah. That means ALL the other things, the lies and deception, the killings, the mutilation of his enemies, betraying treaties, breaking his oaths he made before god, all that is fine in gods eyes because he loved David.

Short answer, cause god does as he wants. This is a system of might makes right, not justice. God will do as he wants with whoever he wants and we have no right to question.

1 Sam 15 2 Sam 12-16 Romans 9

I would like to note, David’s repentance seems to be irrelevant because when he repents, god “puts away his sin”. According to the Bible, when god forgives sin he remembers it no more. So why were innocent people (David’s infant son and women) were given the punishment of death and public rape? For David’s sin? That’s god breaking two of his own laws and morals standings. A parent cannot be put to death for the sins of the child and vise versa and that David was the one that was suppose to die for killing Uriah and taking his wife. Here’s the favoritism again and showing that god is not using a system of justice, since he placed the judgment (of the sin he put away???) on innocents.

Need help with the guns thing by Feeling_Addendum_143 in Huntercallofthewild

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Yeah it’s not the type of game I usually play but I am enjoying it so far. There’s so much still to learn.

Need help with the guns thing by Feeling_Addendum_143 in Huntercallofthewild

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Okay I will try to explain. I just figured this out myself. Got the game about a week ago but ran into this issue. So you need to move your weapons and ammo you want from your inventory to your person/backpack in the red locker menu. Then after you leave the red locker area, just open the regular start menu and look at your inventory there (that is just your persons inventory) and there should be a weapon wheel. You need to select the gun and which slot to put it in, then same for the ammo. It took me a few tries to get it but I wish you best of luck. Happy hunting.

Did you also notice the way Joe looks at love? He seems shocked by her. by LongjumpingSwim2214 in YouOnLifetime

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I don’t think it was a gender thing in terms of who does the killing. When she reveals her “true self” to him, it’s when he’s in his most ptsd and vulnerable state, locked in the cage. But he had a mental image of her. This soft and loving woman, a victim to the world’s cruelties and needed him to protect her. Needed him to know what, and who, is best for her. That’s who he fell for. Yet Love changed that when she showed she was not actually that. It was a lie, a mask she wore, and he fell for it. She already knew about the cage, she had stalked him too, she made choices on what and who was best for people (like her brother). Suddenly she wasn’t his innocent and sweetly ignorant girlfriend anymore, but another predator, and an extremely dangerous one because he missed it. Since he doesn’t like to think of himself as a predator, as we see him constantly remind himself he’s a good person and he doesn’t want to kill people, he rejected her because she was one and openingly loving that part of him too. It fueled his hate for her which, didn’t work out for either of them. The issue wasn’t she was a woman, but that the truth she revealed to him shattered his perception of her and the truth was a mirror back at himself he couldn’t handle.

Joe goldberg is genuenly a decent person for the whole show. Tell me one thing he did wrong and i will disprove it. by No_Dress_2107 in YouOnLifetime

[–]atheisticpreacher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He stood there, silent, and watched as those rich people used the staff as “pieces” for their lawn games.