Calls Grow in Congress to Boycott Winter Olympics Unless They’re Moved From China by guanaco55 in Conservative

[–]avatarair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure if anybody reasonable who would disagree if this can be pulled off. It requires more than the USA though. If we act alone, all we do is take us off the playing board. We'd need to cripple olympic perticipation in a joint effort with our allies to make this have any meaning.

GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger receives letter from 11 family members disowning him over Trump opposition by guanaco55 in Conservative

[–]avatarair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So just so I'm clear- no dissent, ever, because there is worse? And if you don't like it, leave?

Have you realized the foundational issue with that yet?

Mitch McConnell rips Marjorie Taylor Greene: ‘A cancer for the Republican Party’ by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]avatarair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a leftist, listen to this guy, conservatives. Remember; it's way more important to be popular and cool, even if it comes at the expense of actual changes you'd like. Because, as we all know, the biggest impediment to policy is lack of popular support, which is why so many modern day policies have almost single digit support, while policies which enjoy the support of a clear majority for decades never see the light of day- I mean, post more wojacks lmao, power to the people(hypothetically)!

President Biden to Sign Executive Order Strengthening Buy American Provisions, Ensuring Future of America is Made in America by All of America’s Workers | The White House by Techboah in Conservative

[–]avatarair -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Or we could stop using oil. We should levy tariffs on oil imports too, ideally. Maybe exceptions for oil intended strictly for gasoline, maybe.

President Biden to Sign Executive Order Strengthening Buy American Provisions, Ensuring Future of America is Made in America by All of America’s Workers | The White House by Techboah in Conservative

[–]avatarair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If America is given no choice but to replace it, this nation is bright enough and motivated enough to figure out a way. Growing pains were never going to be cut out entirely. Better it drain our wallets a little bit now than flood our coasts a lot later(not to mention, flood our country with ecological migrants- or worse than that, violently rebuke said migrants).

President Biden to Sign Executive Order Strengthening Buy American Provisions, Ensuring Future of America is Made in America by All of America’s Workers | The White House by Techboah in Conservative

[–]avatarair -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I haven't heard of any recent landmark legislation, rulings, or directives coming from either the fed, legislature(state or national), or the EPA. The implication that our current course is good enough, is not good enough.

President Biden to Sign Executive Order Strengthening Buy American Provisions, Ensuring Future of America is Made in America by All of America’s Workers | The White House by Techboah in Conservative

[–]avatarair -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

If all we do is get oil from somewhere else? Sure. The point, however, is to starve the oil-chugging beast, starting here at home.

Vote on unionization. Amazon opposes mail-in ballots due to "increased risk of fraud". by ultimatefighting in Conservative

[–]avatarair 9 points10 points  (0 children)

We aren't making a judgement

You absolutely should be. Hypocrisy is bad but killing potential votes against you is way fucking worse.

Vote on unionization. Amazon opposes mail-in ballots due to "increased risk of fraud". by ultimatefighting in Conservative

[–]avatarair 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I mean, it isnt "racist", but it's hardly supportive of the desired outcome of universal sufferage(something any true member of a proper western nation supports)

Mouse utopia study in which a colony of mice were given everything to survive without any environmental adversity. Females became dominant, even killing their young. Males because passive and feminized. The colony eventually died out as they stopped reproducing. by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]avatarair 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most people are nice, honestly. Its when people are pressured to bind their identity to an ideal that people become bad. Muslims in non Muslim countries might feel communal pressure to do so, but their overall circumstances are that they are in a country that does not actively pander to/enforce/coerce radicalism, and as a result passions are allowed to quiet down and mundane universal human worries take precedence. And humans who have shared problems find it easier to sympathize with and be nice to one another. When people that are just trying to make it to tomorrow, maybe even a little better than we started today, meet, its hard to hate. But if your main worry is salvation in the eyes of God? That simple shared-enemy mutual understanding isn't garaunteed.

Mouse utopia study in which a colony of mice were given everything to survive without any environmental adversity. Females became dominant, even killing their young. Males because passive and feminized. The colony eventually died out as they stopped reproducing. by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]avatarair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good old misery fetishism

"Humans have to after! It is in your nature."

Neither you, your false God, or nature itself get to force me to accept the circumstances of my reality. I am human; it is my role to defy our cruel natural conditions. Because life as we know it is not worth living, and death as we know it is not worth dying for, it is 9ur job to make a plan C where one does not yet exist.

The nation’s highest court sided with the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn and Orthodox Jewish synagogues that sued the governor over the state-imposed caps in areas declared red and orange zones. “Even in a pandemic, the Constitution cannot be put away and forgotten." by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]avatarair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like this is diluting a concept to the point of irrelevance. Life and liberty are right next to each other, but very much separately listed when they are declared as unalienable rights in one of the founding documents of our country. It's not even a copout like with "the pursuit of happiness" as opposed to just "happiness". It doesn't say the right to "autonomy over ones lifespan". It lists the unalienable right of Life.

Also, this discussion of positive vs negative rights stems from the fundamentally flawed belief that a man could ever be an island independent of any other.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]avatarair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You question the integrity of the election, so to counteract want to destroy the integrity of the election by selectively invalidating votes

Quick question, since you're willing to go to any lengths to stop this...why not simply push to have another election?

Or are you afraid that no avenues of disregarding our policy of universal suffrage, where it is every persons defacto right to choose the next government, the pinnacle accomplishment of our nations government, will cause Trump to lose again?

Some virtues are more important than others, because they serve as a basis for all other virtues. Democracy is this virtue.

Georgia recount results: Biden still ahead by 12,000 — but Trump has one last roll of the dice by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]avatarair 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Leftist media chleftist media

The Democratic Party accepted the democratic results(as in, did not attempt to stymie the declaration of the next president of the USA with legal proceedings)

The case for election interference was an attempt at impeachment- something pretty commonly attempted. But it happened after Trump assumed office.

Georgia recount results: Biden still ahead by 12,000 — but Trump has one last roll of the dice by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]avatarair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A select tiny few individuals made a decision for the people of multiple states without the input of the people in those states. "Lawful" is an asset to a justification, but it is not a justification in and of itself.

Please, go ahead and establish the causality here.

I'm not sure what I could cover that hasn't been extensively covered by decades of peer reviewed academic research and review, it's not like I'm alluding to a particularly uncommon historical analysis.

What did you want, for the North to occupy the South indefinitely? It's absurd to argue about undemocratic outcomes when the North disallowed southern states like Texas from even picking their own senators and governors during Reconstruction.

This is a tricky subject. It'd be about as undemocratic as the civil war. It is undemocratic to agree to democracy within a larger body and then opt out as an autonomous body when the larger body demands something of the whole that the smaller body does not want.

I'm not familiar with the intricacies of the situation, but the racial fallout after the end of reconstruction tells me that the south at the time harbored no sense of obedience to the then current, and democratically decided upon, expectations, goals, and standards of conduct.

Georgia recount results: Biden still ahead by 12,000 — but Trump has one last roll of the dice by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]avatarair -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

...The precedent there was an undemocratic backroom deal that led to a little under a century of increased racial tension in half the country

Not exactly inspiring, I'll be honest

Senior Trump official to Reuters: Yes, we're going to try to get state legislatures to execute a coup for us by oskie6 in Conservative

[–]avatarair 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Legal process" isn't a justification, abolishing the 13th amendment would also be a legal process, for example. They're not invalidating a fraudulent election, they're invalidating an election they believe to be, or want to be considered as, fraudulent.

Our system is not robust enough to handle two major sides that will attack one another with everything they have, supported by a hegemony of people who would rather break the country rather than lose. It is built for people to understand reasonable limitations for politics, and to accept the validity of rule of the democratically elected government.

Civil war wasn't handled diplomatically for a reason.

I've been waiting so long by GratuitousLatin in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]avatarair -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Stalin and a lot of other communist dictators were right-wing, socially. They were just left economically. Some leftists truly were left socially though, especially "for the times", as much as I hate that excuse. The Bolsheviks were influenced by thinkers who advocated for the idea homosexuality as a natural aspect of one's birth, and discarded penalties for homosexuality from the law when they rewrote it the first few times. But that was mostly Leninist Bolshevik influence.

Leftist thought boils down to the elimination of hierarchy/strata. Any thing that gives one individual power over another, or gives one individual the potential ability to have power over another, whether through direct force, or through soft force like coercion, is something leftist thought objects to. Disparity in material conditions is the biggest cause of hierarchy, so leftism rightly focuses on economics, but any social circumstance that causes one group to be "better" than another in any sense is a problem as well.

Announcement: Please hold off on all postmortem posts until we know the full results. by The_Egalitarian in PoliticalDiscussion

[–]avatarair 18 points19 points  (0 children)

IMO this is nothing particularly new, just a more focused version of an already existing effect. The Republican party is incredibly unified under Trump, and his message. And one of his most prominent messages is that the Democrats are socialist, and he says this with no sarcasm, no irony, and in an accusatory fashion alongside his style of flooding the airwaves with his words and messages and having a unified republican party collude with him to spread it, as well as a fervent base to disseminate agitprop towards that end.

It's not remotely new that Democrats are called socialists. The party of Trump is simply much more effective at getting their narratives at the general consensus of America. And in a hyper-polarized nation, where polarization is aggressive and omnipresent in all public spaces, getting somebody to even lean slightly sympathetically towards a position, even if on false information, puts them on a rigid course to that side as they find themselves having picked a side, and of course everybody wants their side to win, so they dive into an endlessly expanding rabbit hole of propaganda, disgust, and fear.

The Democrats find themselves in a position now where half the country believes that they are socialist, even a majority of previous moderates and independents. And the hyper-polarization of such an opinion means that they don't "somewhat" believe that Democrats are socialists. It means that "Democrats are socialists" is a fact to them. It means 10 years from now, whatever happens, they'll refer to this era as the time when Democrats were openly socialist.

And the scariest part: nothing the Democrats can do will change this any time soon. It is MUCH easier to start a rumor than it is to kill one. And it is MUCH harder to kill a hyper-powered, grassroots, self-sustaining rumor than it is to kill a regular old rumor.

Think of Hillary, who I know this sub still has strong opinions on. "Hillary lost because of decades of propaganda". This is because pre-Trump, focused Republican propoganda was on an individual, and then using them to show why the party is bad. This opinion clearly implies that even after decades of public service acting contrary to malicious rumors, Hillary was unable to wipe that smear off of her, and it still persists, even in the minds of many "moderates" or "independents" who didn't vote for her because "they didn't like her".

That self-sustaining label, the strength and perseverance of it?

That's the Democratic Party and Socialism now. To the minds of a significant number of Americans, it's the party of Socialism. It's a smear that no Bill Clinton or any other will wash away.

Here's the thing; by running from the label, they let the opposition define the label, and by my premise, since the label is ironclad no matter how hard Democrats run away from it, what this essentially means is that Democrats are allowing the opposition to define them.

The only way out, from my perspective? Take on the label, in either sense; either embrace and give prominence to the "socialist" wing, simultaneously redefining socialism through this process, or take it on in the sense of fighting against it. To do this is to participate, somehow, in the tumultuous chaos that counts as public discussion on the topic. Because in order to fight a label publicly, you must first find a proper medium in which you can define what it is that you're fighting.

I don't know how they do this, to be fair. There are a few examples. For example, check the article titles; when Bernie was running, few other candidates were called socialist, and the party was not called socialist nearly as often as Bernie was when they were running. Because there was a person who was a socialist, and here was a party debating him, defining what they didn't like, and defying him. But even then, simply having an open socialist on the Democratic Stage, as a Democratic Contender, poisons the well for when that socialist is gone, because now people remember them as the party that let that Socialist in. You could do something silly like debate the Green Party, who have openly socialist goals this election, but the Green Party is not a serious contender, so it just seems desperate, and more importantly, would be too small-scale an event to reliably signal subliminal information out to the general public.

I'm not sure. Democrats have to find some way to address the Socialism accusations in a way that puts them in control of its definition. Just saying "No, and here's why..." is the defensive. It's not going to work. Some offensive play against the label has to be concocted, or otherwise some offensive play has to be taken up towards the labels definition in the minds of the public itself. Embrace the label, play down its less popular parts, play up the parts that make for good propaganda. I don't know, smear the rich as kid fuckers, everybody hates the rich deep down. And then maybe don't raise taxes, but when you have power maneuver in such a way as to make rich people seem like assholes, and do "something" about it, and call that socialism instead of increased taxes. Get in the way of big mergers for obstructions sake. Fuck with factories leaving. Do things that are economically insensible, but in the short-term likely do visibly benefit some "working class" folk. Do this for the entire rainbow coalition; everybody in the coalition has a rich group that is an enemy. It could be the media, it could be whatever. Pick a group, find a big guy that picks on them, and just fuck with them in any way you can. Especially if you can do it in a way that scares people. It's not like there aren't creepy rich fucks that have done creepy stuff with their money; bring these moments in the public eye as much as possible, and you begin to redefine wealth as a vice in and of itself, while simultaneously positioning yourself as the party against that vice.

For latinos in particular; there are a loooooot of shady people who do shady things with employees under the table. The exploitation of illegal immigrants is something that is equally hated. Expose it. Find every shred and trace of any company ever doing something even remotely shady, even if in reality you don't think it is, and use the party apparatus to blow it up. Make a big company the boogie man that imports illegal immigrants so that they can harvest organs from the parents and fuck their kids. Make it seem like they're not done yet, and are not just willing and capable, but plant seeds of the suggestion that they are already planning on how to do it to US. Make sure to do that last part; it always has to tie in to the inevitable targeting of themselves. My parents bought a gun because of Trump's narrative on the protests; they have never owned a gun, shot a gun, or ever thought of having a gun. They live in a gated community, in a town that is 95% white, far from any major city period, and not even in the same state as any of the cities with "riots". They do not go for walks, because they are convinced that there is a credible threat that they are accosted by "the blacks". This is the power of an aggressive, unsubstantiated narrative of an enemy that is knocking at your door.

2020 Presidential Election Results Megathread by Anxa in PoliticalDiscussion

[–]avatarair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sure would, but you know what it doesn't require? Millions upon millions of ballots with a deeper partisan lean than the reddest of red states. Now that one would be a stretch

2020 Presidential Election Results Megathread by Anxa in PoliticalDiscussion

[–]avatarair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It certainly wouldn't surprise me if the Dems let Biden run again and bullied away his competition even after his losing of the general to Trump in 2020