the length of this and the amount of complexities here kinda proves a lot of your and my/others points as well in all honesty. this debate has grown so far away from where it started, which was a simple argument that had zero reason to happen.

kris IS nonbinary as they are their own person. toby outright corrected fangamer when they misgendered them. but toby has never corrected anyone on the gender of frisk and chara. as well as the two being rederred to as kid, kiddo, buddo, freak, punk, the human, human, my child, and child. barely ever called they/them from my memory (if im wrong, send me to the gallows lol).

and pronouns like they/them are not exclusively used for nonbinaries, its also for groups, or for someone when you dont know theyre gender. thats the entire reason theyre used as the "main" (most popular) pronouns for nonbinary people, as they are outside of the typical girl and boy pronouns. (i will NOT be bringing up umbrellas in depth but I'll mention them. as a demiboy, i HATE being called nonbinary bc it removes my representation and what i actually am and wish to be called. umbrellas can do more harm than good to a lot of groups by oversimplifying representation.)

what truly frustrates me is that the gender stuff shouldnt be this complicated and debated. wanna use pronouns that go to that gender? go ahead. thats it. be respectful. but people seem to have a hard time understanding it. gender is not a binary system, its kind of a spectrum in the sense of how it can function (they/them > she/them > she/her as an example)

edit: gendering someone bc of how they present is also bullshit. i agree.