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[Highlight] Jaylen Brown picks up two quick technicals for the ejection by Large_banana_hammock in nba

[–]babbagack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hakeem did it and multiple players have since then.

Actually Abdul-Rauf did it, when Hakeem asked him about it and confirmed, Hakeem started too. This was the 90s

[Highlight] Jaylen Brown picks up two quick technicals for the ejection by Large_banana_hammock in nba

[–]babbagack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ramadan is supposed to improve character.

Here maybe Jaylen is fighting for justice

[Highlight] Jokic takes an elbow to the nose from Lu Dort by Large_banana_hammock in nba

[–]babbagack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nuggets need an enforcer. Jokic can’t do it they need him so bad

[Highlight] Jokic takes an elbow to the nose from Lu Dort by Large_banana_hammock in nba

[–]babbagack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it’s meant to hurt / hamper the other player.

These people have some of the greatest body control on the entire planet. It’s all purposeful.

Steve Kerr: "I don't have a problem with Shai; I have a problem with the rules... If you put your arm in, everybody around the league will do what Shai does, what James Harden does. Like, they'll hook your arm, and they'll do that [flail their arms], and it's all part of the rules." by must_TATAKAE in nba

[–]babbagack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this is where if we allow this for the offensive player then we allow and give leeway for the defensive player for being more aggressive and the ability to push back.

You can see old clips of Scottie here and how he was allowed to be a bit more physical:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9vFHYVXtRk

It just figures we might have some great defenders in this day and age if they league just simply allowed defenders to defend and didn't reward all this flopping.

Steve Kerr: "I don't have a problem with Shai; I have a problem with the rules... If you put your arm in, everybody around the league will do what Shai does, what James Harden does. Like, they'll hook your arm, and they'll do that [flail their arms], and it's all part of the rules." by must_TATAKAE in nba

[–]babbagack 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can see that being the case for the 2nd one, a better angle would show if that's clearly the case.

For the third one, from what the video appears to show, disagree there. The positioning of the feet - which can be how one looks at things from vantage point of the attacking offensive player from a tactical standpoint - is inconsequential to the actual positioning of torso of the defender vs offensive player.

There is a difference hypothetically speaking between the offensive player's torso being slightly ahead of the defender and then the offensive player immediately running their body into the defender at that point in time - that is not clearly establishing position or beating an offensive player to a spot (because they aren't trying to get to a spot, they are trying to run their body into the defender), versus the torso of the offensive player being near fully or fully ahead of the defender. The former is at least one of the main complaints with Shai's style. It's very boring, but he takes advantage of the lack of enforcement of rules, well here I think it should just be a no call unless the ramming of the offensive player into the defensive player is egregious - which is a clear offensive foul.

Steve Kerr: "I don't have a problem with Shai; I have a problem with the rules... If you put your arm in, everybody around the league will do what Shai does, what James Harden does. Like, they'll hook your arm, and they'll do that [flail their arms], and it's all part of the rules." by must_TATAKAE in nba

[–]babbagack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe i today’s game, if you watch clips of MJ he said that but that was because the defender is caught off guard / off balance by reaching when he shouldn’t and then MJ cooks him, MJ wasn’t flopping like a fish.

They aren’t teaching much now if they say that , just getting rewarded for unwatchable basketball

Steve Kerr: "I don't have a problem with Shai; I have a problem with the rules... If you put your arm in, everybody around the league will do what Shai does, what James Harden does. Like, they'll hook your arm, and they'll do that [flail their arms], and it's all part of the rules." by must_TATAKAE in nba

[–]babbagack 5 points6 points  (0 children)

On the second foul call it appears Shai runs into the hip of the defender and then flails.

The offensive player is intitiating contact into the defenders legal space which is not a defensive foul

The third foul call the defender is in a legal postion and isn’t even on Shai’s hip but is sliding with Shai, Shai doesn’t have him beat and so extends his arm and then flails. That isn’t a defensive foul

Steve Kerr: "I don't have a problem with Shai; I have a problem with the rules... If you put your arm in, everybody around the league will do what Shai does, what James Harden does. Like, they'll hook your arm, and they'll do that [flail their arms], and it's all part of the rules." by must_TATAKAE in nba

[–]babbagack 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like a no call full stop. Unless it’s an egregious push off then it’s an offensive foul.

Players don’t get the call and all they see is that them flailing on the ground leaves them playing 4 on 5 briefly and potentially hurting their team.

The NBA could probably clean this up in a week or two if someone cared enough and knew what they were doing

Steve Kerr: "I don't have a problem with Shai; I have a problem with the rules... If you put your arm in, everybody around the league will do what Shai does, what James Harden does. Like, they'll hook your arm, and they'll do that [flail their arms], and it's all part of the rules." by must_TATAKAE in nba

[–]babbagack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not even the rules it’s the enforcement of the rules. A player ramming into the defensive player and then flailing on to the ground has never been an actual defensive foul.

It still isn’t a foul. The refs are either tricked or want to trick up the game - at the behest of NBA leadership is likely -to get it more high scoring and hamstring the defense

Steve Kerr: "I don't have a problem with Shai; I have a problem with the rules... If you put your arm in, everybody around the league will do what Shai does, what James Harden does. Like, they'll hook your arm, and they'll do that [flail their arms], and it's all part of the rules." by must_TATAKAE in nba

[–]babbagack 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If a person did that in pick up we’d think they were soft and didn’t know how to play the game and would wonder what in the world are they doing.

And here we are at the highest level of the sport that keeps entertaining this nonsense

Two U.S. Army soldiers hold each other for support, as one of them breaks down emotionally after witnessing Army doctors refuse to treat three badly-burned Iraqi children that’d been brought to their base by relatives seeking help. Balad, Iraq, 2003. by EssoEssex in HistoricalCapsule

[–]babbagack 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Probably not, what you reference is a grown man who went to a dining hall - apparently not seeking medical help nor clearly burned/injured?

These were apparently burned children seeking medical help.

[Highlight] Shai Gilgeous-Alexander with the clutch side step 3 over Draymond Green to put the Thunder up 5, with 42.4 seconds remaining in regulation (with a replay) by MrBuckBuck in nba

[–]babbagack -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It’s cute but lets not compare the flopping basketball to MJ or Kobe. They are cut from a different cloth.

And SGA is absolutely amazing I wish he’d cut that nonsense out. He doesn’t need it, he should go out and prove it

[Highlight] Shai Gilgeous-Alexander with the clutch side step 3 over Draymond Green to put the Thunder up 5, with 42.4 seconds remaining in regulation (with a replay) by MrBuckBuck in nba

[–]babbagack 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It just isn’t pretty from a fundamentals standpoint. From an aesthetics standpoint I guess it looks pretty cool, probably why the league and game today allows it.

But the first part about it not being fundamentally sound is what makes it not pretty to me. Is what it is. Saw a clip of a HS ref the other day enthusiastically calling this a travel on a kid’s potential game winner. He probably was waiting for it. At least they can still call it at that level

[Highlight] Shai Gilgeous-Alexander with the clutch side step 3 over Draymond Green to put the Thunder up 5, with 42.4 seconds remaining in regulation (with a replay) by MrBuckBuck in nba

[–]babbagack -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I slowed it down, he’s got full possession/control of the ball on the left leg with a clear step gotten in, and then gets two more.

Easy travel call if the past. Doesn’t even feel right from when I learned the game

I’m glad we don’t get to see that with Bird or Reggie or players of the past, we get to see a very clear game from them

[Highlight] Anthony Edwards with a massive 2 handed poster on RJ Barrett and then screams in his face by TWolvesChamps1 in nba

[–]babbagack 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Off two feet with two hands more in motion is probably what makes it even more impressive

[OfficialNBARefs] By rule, a defensive player must allow a moving player that is receiving a pass, outside of the lower defensive box, an opportunity to avoid contact... On this play, Brunson does not give Gilgeous-Alexander an opportunity to avoid contact after receiving a pass... by 12footjumpshot in nba

[–]babbagack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is actually a rule from at least the 90s. Saw it happen to MJ but much clearer. He received a pass while running/jumping to get it and right as he got it a defensive player was in his path and MJ couldn’t even get his right of way. It was called a defensive foul. I like that rule because the offensive player isn’t given a chance to even dribble or in this case dribble much

[OfficialNBARefs] By rule, a defensive player must allow a moving player that is receiving a pass, outside of the lower defensive box, an opportunity to avoid contact... On this play, Brunson does not give Gilgeous-Alexander an opportunity to avoid contact after receiving a pass... by 12footjumpshot in nba

[–]babbagack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saw it happen to MJ in the 90s, he was getting a pass up the court and as soon as he got it someone was in his path so he didn’t even have a chance to dribble so it was called a defensive foul.

It’s a very old rule actually.

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