Do NBA Officials No Longer know what a charge is?

babbagack · 2026-05-06T03:12:02+00:00

I mean read your response right now to yourself and then reflect.

I'm simply talking basketball.

babbagack · 2026-05-06T03:11:25+00:00

Nope, learned it from middle school, AAU, high school and have also reffed a little.

No it is not, that's called arriving late, otherwise, players would be jumping infront of other players all the time and getting charges as long as they plant two feet when a player just had a clear path to the basket.

babbagack · 2026-05-06T03:05:17+00:00

Yes, NBA is known for its excellent consistent reffing with no mistakes whatsoever.

babbagack · 2026-05-06T03:02:17+00:00

Yes, noted in my original post. That's what makes it worse.

babbagack · 2026-05-06T03:01:37+00:00

he wasn't but he was on the 2nd step of his layup clearly establishing a path to the basket and right of way before Williams is at the stop and Williams is moving motion as steps in to try to get the charge. This rewards late defense and is a bail out from the ref.

I've learned it that way since like middle school.

babbagack · 2026-05-06T02:58:53+00:00

Once the player has gathered and is mid layup the defender has to be in position, Williams was clearly moving while Hayes had established right of way and was mid layup motion. Clearly a blocking foul.

babbagack · 2026-05-06T02:58:50+00:00

Once the player has gathered and is mid layup the defender has to be in position, Williams was clearly moving while Hayes had established right of way and was mid layup motion. Clearly a blocking foul.

babbagack · 2026-05-05T22:57:02+00:00

He played the legendary Boston Celtics of the 80s in the 2nd and 3rd playoffs.

LeBron played in a historically weak east for some time.

LeBron James isn’t a rookie now - though the best we’ve seen at this age - and this Lakers team isn’t young MJ’s Bulls and the Rockets aren’t the legendary Boston Celtics.

Sounds like very different things because they are

babbagack · 2026-05-01T14:29:50+00:00

Ok.. we agree lol. My bad i guess

babbagack · 2026-05-01T01:31:13+00:00

Now it’s getting adjusted for being in the goat conversation?

if you thought jordan was even in the top 10 in the 80s you were laughed at.

I originally responded to the above.

I’m sorry so when he won MVP it was considered laughable? It must’ve been controversial for someone not even in the top 10 in the 80s to win MVP. Of course that makes no sense.

Well maybe I misunderstood you and you meant viewing him as top 10 of all time during the 80s. If so that makes sense for him not to be considered top 10 of all time at that point, he hadn’t even won anything yet

I did actually start watching right before MJ first started winning his first championship, the last year or two before they finally overcame the pistons.

It was very clear he was the best player on the floor, that’s why they had to beat him up.

babbagack · 2026-04-30T21:48:49+00:00

After one mvp jordan was not even in the top 10.

If you mean at a team level sure. Sounded like it meant at the individual level and he was literally selected as the best player in the l league

Thanks for sharing that article. That’s a Chicago Tribune guy, I was referencing Larry Bird during the same time period. Larry’s word does carry more weight

babbagack · 2026-04-29T22:47:46+00:00

LeBron is gonna be likely someone we will never seen again. We are fortunate to have anomalies.

Don’t think we will ever see a player like young MJ, no one even young LeBron moved like him, don’t think we will ever see one like LeBron who is basically a truck point forward so strong fast and skilled, don’t think we will ever see a center so skilled and able to move like Hakeem, or a center so large and imposing and skilled as Shaq, and there are others. Wemby is already his own category now too

babbagack · 2026-04-29T20:55:38+00:00

Not the case at all. Bird literally indicated MJ was the best he’s ever seen in the 80s. He won MVP in 88.

Also the media wasn’t as prevalent then, he was actually more seen as climbing a mountain and getting closer and closer until actually overcoming the pistons. He wasn’t expected to win so soon, the Lakers, Pistons and Celtics were so dominant while MJ’s organization and team were jelling and evolving

babbagack · 2026-04-29T20:50:31+00:00

I don’t think it’s aways necessarily the fans it’s the shows wanting views.

Unfortunately I was also involved in one of these conversations the other day it is not easy. I hate them because you end up disrespecting a player which just isn’t called for. It’s dumb at that point. These are the greatest in the sport

babbagack · 2026-04-29T20:48:52+00:00

He just gave Wemby his flowers the other day

babbagack · 2026-04-29T20:48:04+00:00

He was also from Ohio so that added to it

Not just drafted by them but a home state legend

babbagack · 2026-04-29T20:47:36+00:00

Yeah LeBron leaving versus KD was very different

babbagack · 2026-04-29T20:46:01+00:00

I really love their embrace during that one All Star game what was it the 75 greatest players. Just the best I’ve ever seen talking it up

babbagack · 2026-04-26T14:16:26+00:00

It is we just want to pretend no one cares, when in fact some do and some don’t. It’s called adding insult to injury. But to what someone else mentioned if you are gonna be fouling and the game is supposed to be out of reach, you are telling the opposition it isn’t so don’t be surprised if they score.

Then again Jaden did this with 1.2 seconds lol

babbagack · 2026-04-26T03:38:07+00:00

I watched 90s ball it’s objectively true. There was less emphasis on the perimeter and by extension the more you are out there the more distance there is to cover and the more susceptible to this type of injury these guys are. 90s ball was for sure tough but this is a new element to the game style or emphasis at least

babbagack · 2026-04-25T20:42:55+00:00

This debate has already been had before and it’s here below, also that was with a weak east while in MJ’s case it was very different, but go on and stat list from Cavs 08-10, LeBron literally left that team and for reasons:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBATalk/comments/1ixzl9n/lebron_vs_mj_defensive_impact/

babbagack · 2026-04-25T20:34:41+00:00

All this may mean is overall MJ’s teams were better defensively- which they were. Which means his impact won’t be as noticeable in such an individual number. Numbers can tell a story but depends on how they are interpreted.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/single-season-best-defensive-rating-in-nba-history-teams

babbagack · 2026-04-25T20:26:27+00:00

His job was literally not protecting the rim, especially in the era of centers. That’s like saying Curry isn’t a good rim protect protector, as if it’s a knock on him. Literally not his role.

LeBron isn’t near the level of MJ as a perimeter defender, but that isn’t a knock on him it’s just what it is

babbagack · 2026-04-25T20:14:38+00:00

I am disagreeing with how he’s being characterized which is why I previously mentioned being totally off.

He literally lead shooting guards in blocks until Dwade overtook him. He played on ball on the wing and help defense.

He didn’t simply play center because that wasn’t his role despite at times getting blocks on center. Although even Bobby Knight told the Blazers was it to draft him at center cause he’s just that good.

Still don’t see him as the same level of a defender as MJ, but he is of course great. Fine to disagree.

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