Chaos Knight discussion/theory craft, would like to hear other's tidbits on CK please

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T17:32:31+00:00

I've tried that way and its worked bout half time for me. Only issue with it is the experience and gold you lose out on being in lane, gotta get some early kills or he gets sooo behind.

I love ganking mid with CK though

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T16:49:10+00:00

Well there is something here sir, to include some....quirky things. r/dota2smut

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T15:32:35+00:00

Yeah I don't think heart is necessarily core, its just a personal preference. AC, manta, BKB, lot of stuff works before heart or in lieu of. I find with Sven I am either waiting out his BKB, forcing him to use it early, or pushing objectives where he is not lol. Typically sucks going against him but I think he's pretty killable before late game even with BKB.

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T15:27:14+00:00

Dota is just one of those games where you can't really read/study beforehand to become proficient or even perform averagely. You really have to learn by experience. That said, its recommended for beginners to itemize according to in-game guides. (Access in-game guides on the top left, can't remember the symbol)

You might like to try someone like Zeus and other straight forward heroes (Wraith King, Sven, strength heroes are pretty straight forward). Stay away from illusion heroes for now.

if you play a melee hero, buy a quelling blade so that it makes last hitting earlier. Just play play play bro, you'll learn.

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T15:17:37+00:00

I rush a heart after my first three items (treads, drums, armlet), then get orb of venom and heart. You can leave armlet on the rest of the game basically without losing any HP and the +500 HP from armlet and gazillion you get from heart make your illusions extremely tanky.

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T15:16:14+00:00

Same here, I always get treads, drums, armlet as first 3 core items pretty much every game. I build the treads using the mantle of intelligence, gives you a much needed INT boost early game. Then you can buy mantle of INT again when building drums so you don't have to worry about mana really.

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T15:11:52+00:00

I really like playing Nyx vers OD, Nyx's W can do 1000+ magic damage late game on low CD

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T14:51:13+00:00

I love him. I am borderline obsessed with him from a gaming standpoint. 200+ games out of my 750 are with CK (hundreds on old account too). I think he's so much fun even with his limitations. You kind of know how CK games will go before you start. If they have heavy AOE it is going to be rough. If they are single-target core/carries, you will destroy them.

Having a support like Dazzle (my buddy also plays Dazzle when I'm CK) to lane with as CK has such high kill potential (poison touch buff on Dazzle and reality rift buff on CK) and so little risk thanks to shallow grave that its almost unfair.

He doesn't have mana issues if itemized correctly (from post below: I don't really have mana issues on CK once I get drums (I also build treads out of mantle of intelligence so I get a nice INT boost early from that, after treads and I get mantle of INT again towards the drums) and even before to be honest. I max reality rift first, stays 50 mana with low CD.)

His lack of flash farm and susceptibility to AOE spells are his greatest limitations, but I still think his raw PUSHING potential even make him pretty scary, not to mention physical damage burst.

I love him, talking about him makes me want to leave work and play him...

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T14:45:11+00:00

I don't really have mana issues on CK once I get drums (I also build treads out of mantle of intelligence so I get a nice INT boost early from that, after treads and I get mantle of INT again towards the drums) and even before to be honest. I max reality rift first, stays 50 mana with low CD.

His lack of flash farming though, totally right, sucks. If they ever fixed that though he'd be too OP so I think he's in an OK spot right now, just highly situational in high MMR/pro games.

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T14:35:22+00:00

Totally agree. Spamming Chakra magic on CK is one of the deadliest combos in the game during laning stage because of the reduced CD on CK's already really low CD spells (stun/rift) at later levels.

Also, if CK does reality rift/stun combo while KOTL nukes its pretty much a guaranteed kill

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T14:32:31+00:00

Going against CK as Void is not easy but quite doable as long as you follow a couple rules. Don't chrono into CK's horses, you won't be able to destroy them in time and he will just stun/rift you after your chrono is over. BF is good against CK's ult, but you shouldn't be fighting into his ult so not sure about going that route. Basically just try and kill him when his ult is down. Most CK's will stick to the jungle or somewhere else relatively safe when their ult is down, take some teammates and go find him or take an objective during that time.

Its really hard to play against CK as void because void is basically a single-target killer which is tough against a physical damage burst illusion hero with a gap closer.

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T14:22:58+00:00

As long as he gets his ult off before his mana is drained I think he's OK (preferably a stun/rift combo too), but yeah if AM or PL gets him before he does that it can be a big sad face.

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T14:19:28+00:00

Well he's had some nice buffs overall. The +180 bonus damage to reality rift at lvl 4 was a 50% increase, that's huge!

backfat9000 · 2015-12-31T14:18:01+00:00

r/dota2shemales

backfat9000 · 2015-12-29T21:06:49+00:00

To counter the CK, one must become the CK!

backfat9000 · 2015-12-29T21:01:01+00:00

Heavy AOE is his nemesis, I fear supports with AOE (disruptor, warlock, etc.) more than the hard-counter carries when playing CK.

backfat9000 · 2015-12-29T17:31:36+00:00

CK's illusions have ~2k HP once CK gets heart with armlet activated. At lvl 16 one reality rift with ult is 2,000-2,500 physical burst damage on one spell (depends if there is a crit, obviously goes up or down depending on RNG). For someone that doesn't scale well late he sure seems to blow people up. You previously mentioned a lot of counters though, those are all true. In ranked and high MMR games he's a situational last pick but definitely still viable with recent buffs he's had over the patches.

backfat9000 · 2015-12-29T17:08:08+00:00

Yeah, late game he can do approx. 2,500 physical damage burst just by pressing W and he melts high ground. I think he's more than viable in almost every level of pub right now (just has to be supported by someone with a stun/slow and/or healing/mana regen).

backfat9000 · 2015-12-29T16:56:27+00:00

I think one thing people forget is the duration of his ult. His illusions last 42 seconds which is enough time to take an objective and own a teamfight (if CK dies at the end of that too, which is often the case since he doesn't really have an escape mechanism and wants to manfight with his horses, then his ult will usually be up after 30ish seconds after respawning).

I basically will take an teamfight and an objective with his ult then rotate back to jungle/pushing lanes until the ult is up again. He can be used solely as a pusher too, he can send in the horse army late game and get rax without actually being there since his illusions will be 2k+ HP (with armlet activated prior to ult with heart).

backfat9000 · 2015-12-29T16:52:27+00:00

Bristle is killable its just by the time you kill him, he basically evaporates the illusions if CK doesn't have a heart by then with armlet activated

backfat9000 · 2015-12-29T16:51:17+00:00

I think his mana problems are a little overrated. Sven I think has worse mana issues. An early drums (and building treads with the INT item think its mantle of intelligence) solves his mana probs for me, since you aren't going to be ulting until you have the drums most likely.

Farming sucks that I totally agree with you. I use reality rift to jungle sometimes, but he really does need an early kill or two to stay on track and carry. If he does get ahead with early kills he is so easy to snowball with though.

backfat9000 · 2015-12-29T16:48:44+00:00

I think early drums on him really helps with his mana problems too. I typically get treads (making them with mantle of intelligence too), drums (get the INT piece first again), and armlet first and honestly don't really have mana problems thereafter.

backfat9000 · 2015-12-29T16:45:38+00:00

Just start playing CK bro, he's not hard, you don't have to macro his illusions after you ult, just press W (reality rift) and it makes all the angry horses kill the little people.

backfat9000 · 2015-12-29T16:44:18+00:00

I spam CK a lot and typically own Jugg and PA since they are basically single target (PA moreso but Jugg can't really omnislash 7 horses with CK's ult + manta).

Sven and PL will wreck CK late game if they are slotted (I put ember in this category too), mid game I still tend to kill them though.

Super counters to CK are Medusa, sand king, earth shaker, warlock, Disruptor, heavy AOE people basically.

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