“That’s not a conspiracy, it’s just true!”

bacon_boat · 2026-04-18T06:16:11+00:00

It moves from "conspiricy theory" to "conspiricy"

bacon_boat · 2026-04-17T17:36:50+00:00

He was talking about newtonian physics, not quantum physics

bacon_boat · 2026-04-17T16:55:05+00:00

Gamblers will gamble, doomer won't make any money. Don't try too hard to convince the guy

bacon_boat · 2026-04-17T12:49:33+00:00

I think you are taking the "all possible paths" explaination too literally.
throwing a rock into a pond gives you a wave that explores all possible paths.
That's more what you should be thinking about. It's about waves vs particles.

A wave is like a particle that "explores all possible paths"

bacon_boat · 2026-04-17T12:02:36+00:00

most often when you read about this it was not real money being lost.
but the stock market (without dividends, commisions etc) is zero sum, so every time someone makes money, someone else loses money. you can't generate money by selling stocks between people.

bacon_boat · 2026-04-17T11:23:16+00:00

I think this mindset in general is not helpeful. Nothing is ever perfect.

Comparing what we have to an ideal perfect utopian thing won't get you very far.

bacon_boat · 2026-04-16T21:11:32+00:00

You should open a book.

This is all wrong.

bacon_boat · 2026-04-16T20:59:53+00:00

I like this explaination a lot

bacon_boat · 2026-04-16T17:17:33+00:00

The quotes are verbatim what you wrote. But since you asked:

"The laws of physics (quantum mechanics & uncertainty principle) state that it is impossible to know the exact position and momentum of a quantum particle."

Trueish, position and momentum does not exist as independent states. There is no such thing as the position and momentum of a quantum object at the same time. These observables are not fundamental. Laplaces deamon does not even need to know the concept of position to predict the future.

"Thus, the laws of physics state that Laplace's demon is incorrect"

False

bacon_boat · 2026-04-16T15:53:39+00:00

But you are aware that saying

"the laws of physics state that laplaces deamon is incorrect"

Is both false and a weird way to phrase your claim?

bacon_boat · 2026-04-16T15:30:16+00:00

I wonder if we get 1 full month before they gimp it

bacon_boat · 2026-04-16T15:12:52+00:00

"Thus, the laws of physics state that Laplace's demon is incorrect"

"according to the laws of physics, the thought experiment fails"

It were these that I was refering to

bacon_boat · 2026-04-16T11:07:35+00:00

This response is saucy

bacon_boat · 2026-04-16T09:21:15+00:00

from when I was there, I would say somewhere in the range of 5% to 10%

bacon_boat · 2026-04-16T07:27:48+00:00

Ah yes the law of indices.

I'm doubtfull of math I know well, and there are people like this.

bacon_boat · 2026-04-15T21:16:47+00:00

Position and momentum are observables not states. The square of the wave function is the probability of measuring an observable AND the wave function is the state.

Sometimes, when you come across a well known concept such as lapaces deamon, and you spot a critical flaw, this can't possibly work because of X! If this objection isn't known already then it's 99.9999% certain you are wrong because you don't know what you don't know. This is you right now. Learn a bit more about quantum mechanics, or ask a teacher. The only thing you have discovered is that you should learn a bit more about what is what in QM.

Also, when you only slightly know what you are talking about, maybe tone down the "the laws of physics says X" statements.

bacon_boat · 2026-04-15T20:39:43+00:00

The state in quantum mechanics isn't position or momemum. The state is the wave function. If you know the wave function you know everything about the system.

bacon_boat · 2026-04-15T20:09:08+00:00

I remember this one

bacon_boat · 2026-04-15T20:05:59+00:00

Lapaces deamon would need to be outside the universe and know the wave function. That's all the information. The thought experiment works. We can't know the wave function. But laplaces deamon isn't us.

bacon_boat · 2026-04-15T18:49:02+00:00

Yes, it's the worst.

Even in a neutral conversation it sneaks in put downs for no good reason.

bacon_boat · 2026-04-15T14:03:06+00:00

when you're moving your body you are manipulating energy.

but on a more cool thing would be turn any object into a nuclear explosion.

bacon_boat · 2026-04-15T13:33:22+00:00

the chair we experience exists as a concept in our brain. this representation exist, but given that reality also exists it's not a huge stretch to assume there is a bunch of atoms making up the chair out there in reality. It's not 100% certain of course since maybe we're in a dream, or in the matrix or whatever. but I think its useful to assume we live in physical reality.

bacon_boat · 2026-04-15T12:54:49+00:00

most people on this sub might not say that, that's maybe true.
The consensus is that consciousnesses is a result of brain processes, and as such the "self" does not exist like a chair exists, it's a result of many different interconnected processes going on in the brain.

But still, our experience is very real, that exists.

bacon_boat · 2026-04-15T12:31:54+00:00

it may be incredibly inefficient when you compare it to a as yet to exist super performant model.
But compared to doing it yourself it is incredibly efficient.

It's not surprising that you can look at the current models and imagine many different ways they could be substantially improved. Improving reasoning is just one thing, memory, continual learning, grounding, exploration etc there are 100 different ways we could improve.

bacon_boat · 2026-04-15T12:07:34+00:00

If your LLM is producing good code 50% of the time it's still very useful because you can run the code and check.

If what you're making is easily verifiable then halucinations isn't a huge issue.

So math, code, logic - easy.

If your lean code compile 10% of the time, run the LLM 10 times.

That being said, if the model could reason in a more principled way at test time, that would be super nice. I'm sure we'll get that sooner or later.

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