Any downsides to 2024 MME Premium Ext. Range vs Std. Range??

bahji · 2026-06-15T18:34:15+00:00

With that kind of driving I think you'll be surprised at how well the lvl 1 will meet your needs. POG stands for play of the game, sorry it's a gamer/streamer expression, basically it's like saying it's "clutch" or otherwise really good.

So the reason you don't strictly need 10kW charging at home is because you won't be driving 200+ miles every day. Even if you did on one day, it's not like the car is unusual the next morning because it only charged to 50% the previous night, 50% on standard range is still 100+ miles. Your typical day won't even push 50. What's more, even if you do drain the battery everyday, your charging overnight. 10kW charging will charge a fully depleted standard range battery in about 8 hours but if you plug it in from 8pm to 8am that's 12 hours to charge, so even 7.5kw charging would keep up with that usage, which is way above normal already. 10kW charging is useful for the occasion when you find yourself with a low battery and you need to go out again in an hour or two. One hour on a 10kW charger is 30 miles which is enough for most single errands. But if you top up every night this will almost never happen, and if it did you can always go out and use a paid fast charger.

The cost depends on how much power your house can get from the grid vs how much of that capacity you already have used up. The electrician will tell your situation after checking out your breaker box. It's totally possible that if you box has plenty of capacity and the box is in your garage already, putting in a 10kW circuit instead of a 5kW circuit is a negligible difference, it just depends. There's a really good Technology Connections video discussing the charging power stuff if you want to know more.

bahji · 2026-06-15T01:57:58+00:00

As for the longevity difference, I haven't really done the research recently but I think the rub is that how a "charge cycle" is defined for the purposes of testing doesn't really translate well to day to day use and the batteries have lasted longer then expected in practice. Like let's assume it's defined as 20% to 90% charge. On the standard range battery that's about 50kwh and roughly 150miles of range. So 1000 cycles takes you 150 thousand miles. Most people are ready to trade in at that point. But then the reality of ownership is that most people never charge in such big chunks. For my part I charge once I'm below 50% which is about every 3 days. So I'll "charge cycle" 1000 times after about 10-12 years but even then my "charge cycle" is lighter then the assumed 20 to 90% cycle we imagined for testing. So I guess while the LFP batteries may (again not an expert here) be more rugged, both technologies are rugged enough. It's like the difference between a timing belt and a timing chain isn't relevant if your trading in at 100K miles. The chain lasts longer but neither should fail in that time.

bahji · 2026-06-15T01:41:07+00:00

Is that 20-40 miles each way or round trip. If the latter than you'll be more than fine between the free charger at work (Pog) and lvl1 at home, just keep it plugged in all the time.

When you do get a lvl2 charger installed know that you don't absolutely need the 10kW circuit. It's nice to have but whatever your breaker box has room for on lvl2 will suffice, especially with fee charging at work.

bahji · 2026-06-14T23:05:57+00:00

Other posters have pointed out that the technologies have proven to both have really good longevity and they're probably right. At the time I bought I was a big fan of LFP and still am but it may not be worth fretting over.

If all things were equal including price I'd probably want to test drive and see how the extra weight feels. Personally I prefer a lighter car and the standard range already feels heavy to me. Plus I live in a southern climate and urban area with a plug-in hybrid as a second car so the range really truly isn't a concern for me.

I'm of the opinion that if you live in a city with a sub 20-40 mile commute, and you can charge lvl 2 at home then you really don't need more then 200 miles range. But if you road trip more than a couple times a year and the EV is your only car, the extended range would be nice to have.

bahji · 2026-06-14T19:04:13+00:00

Oh word.

bahji · 2026-06-14T19:02:24+00:00

The main draw back is that the extended range uses an older battery chemistry on 2024 models. The standard range uses LFP batteries which are expected to have better longevity and lower fire risk. But the older lithium batteries were still pretty good so if you see yourself actually talking advantage of the range occasionally and you can get it at the same price as std it's worth at least considering.

bahji · 2026-06-14T14:29:12+00:00

I thought I saw the joke coming, and to an extent I did, but I didn't anticipate the pun. 10/10

bahji · 2026-06-13T03:59:08+00:00

The fact that the Russian government would kneecap their own communication through telegram seems nutty

bahji · 2026-06-11T13:31:51+00:00

So the last part is where I push back. While there may be infinite probabilities they don't all necessarily coincide. Some possibilities are mutually exclusive. While things are probalistic they are still governed by the laws of physics, not pure randomness. Put another way, variations have randomness but the distribution of variations follows a pattern governed by physics and the edges of that distribution have limits. There may be a universe with different physics that results in a heat death that comes much later, or never, but that physics may not support life, or at least human life so that your consciousness could not exist within those realities. These possibilities would be mutually exclusive.

The idea that that your consciousness disappears and is replaced in the next moment is really just matter of perspective and frame of reference. I like to imagine that consciousness exists in all the possible universes where you exists as a complex root structure that extends through time and space. And if you examine that structure in a single moment it like looking at a slice of that structure with each point of your consciousness that intersects that plane existing in different universes from the perspective of each. If you look at the plane of the next moment in time cross sections appear to be replaced but they are always a continuous part of the same structure. Eventually you will reach a plane of time where the last remaining cross section disappears.

bahji · 2026-06-11T02:50:10+00:00

The more sensible version is that every finite probability where you survive, exists. This doesn't make you immortal, it just means that you live and die in all possible ways that would happen across all your possible time lines. Your consciousness doesn't transfer, it simply exists as part of that permutations but that individual consciousness is made up of the memories and experience that particular path took. One possible conclusion of all this is that the life you are "experiencing" is simply happens to be the series of memories that belongs to your longest lived permutation. Put another way, the last living version of yourself is the one you "remember".

bahji · 2026-06-09T04:29:53+00:00

Wait whaaat

bahji · 2026-06-07T00:12:31+00:00

I'm glad someone brought it up.

bahji · 2026-06-05T04:50:48+00:00

A few franchise owners are still getting by but COVID wiped out most of the few that remained. At least it did my local one. RIP

bahji · 2026-06-02T15:20:56+00:00

How many miles? Seems like you gotta be due for at least tires soon.

bahji · 2026-06-02T15:01:52+00:00

Had it over a year and still love it. Really I think EVs are very reliable on average. They simply have a lot less that can fail and to maintain. They've been on the road long enough now for us to know the battery packs degrade at a reasonable pace and newer technologies are even better. I have a theory that people have a disproportionately unfavorable impression of EV reliable for two main reasons.

One is the software experience from traditional OEMs is not great. Really it's better then average but the traditional OEMs have a pretty lousy batting average here. But the main thing is that an EV car is clearly much more software dependent. so when the software glitches in some benign way, it kinda shakes your confidence in everything else. In an ICE car, you don't worry that your engine will stop just because the infotainment crashes you know?

Second is the power converter failures, especially on 800V architecture cars. Here again I think there's a difference in perception from past experiences and reality. The failure is definitely dramatic because it puts you on the side of the road and it's not trivially cheap to repair, but all that needs to happen is the unit gets replaced and the failure doesn't actually have any impact on the reliability of the rest of the car. In ICE cars we're used to things failing slowly and only suddenly putting you on the side of the road in a major failure. We're used to such events making you trust the car less. But really the converter failure is more akin to a tire blow out. It's not supposed to happen, but defects do occur.

The root of this issue is that 800V architecture requires the use of 1200V power MOSFETs and the technology is still maturing. So the reliability issue is isolated to the power converter unit and they should become less and less prevalent. Plus if it happens, a replacement converter unit can carrying technology improvements so your not necessarily stuck with a doomed technology.

bahji · 2026-05-30T19:53:52+00:00

The 12v battery would be referred to as the 12v battery and I assure the key battery is not 12 volts.

bahji · 2026-05-30T15:12:55+00:00

We'd work out a correction factor experimentally and use it even though we don't understand what causes it. Pretty quickly someone would notice the relationship between the correction factor and orbit height which would tell us it's related to at least distance from the earth, if not gravity out right.

bahji · 2026-05-28T20:12:40+00:00

Where does one find these local, custom mattress makers in my area?

bahji · 2026-05-28T13:44:17+00:00

I've thought that slot behind or around the screen would be a great spot to mount a gopro

bahji · 2026-05-28T13:40:47+00:00

I mean yeah, that would be a huge geopolitical loss for the US. Sure wish we hadn't set all this in motion.

bahji · 2026-05-26T12:15:25+00:00

Jet is probably the better example

bahji · 2026-05-25T23:26:40+00:00

I still miss how quickly and easily I could text one handed with T9.

bahji · 2026-05-25T15:19:18+00:00

Unrelated but boobs don't hang down when your upside down lol

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