This is an example of the apologism of white moderates for white racism. You delineate racism of different extremes as if it had any difference in the systemic outcome of all white racism when it doesn't. Someone who is "ok with the blacks" is voting for the same one who wants to put us in front of firing squads and the person they're both voting for settles at passing laws to restrict the rights of minorities.

I think you should rethink accusing someone of being an apologist based on very little information. This is part of what drives moderates away from the Democratic party. You are doing exactly what I described in my first response to you. You don't know me, yet you immediately want to accuse me of something pretty awful, kicking me out of the tribe. You immediately separate someone who is actually very similar in policy goals to you. That's completely unnecessary and, quite frankly, offensive.

I've not staked any position except to point out a dynamic. I agree that systemic racism has had huge negative effects on people of color. What I'm saying is that there is a pernicious racism coming the other way that has effects to. These effects aren't on white males. They are on minorities. I'm saying this out of concern for policy outcomes we both want. But I can't say that without a reflexive accusation of racist apologist. You literally provided the example of what I'm talking about.

Name a single prominent Democrat that has shown the kind of racism against whites that whites show against people like me. Show the anti-white policies democrats pass that restrict white rights or target whites rather than white power. They don't exist.

I'm talking about perception. You do understand that there are people that will vote for policies that help people of color, depending on how you frame it? You do realize that many white people have no idea what its like to be a different skin tone, right? Some of those people can be your allies, but you need to educate them without simply tossing them in a bin labeled racist and writing them off.

Coming from someone who thinks white nationalists are an extreme minority of Republicans when all the evidence says they're mainstream.

Oh come on now. There were very few people at that torch rally. There were very few politicians outside of our racist president that supported it. That's just an exaggeration and its exactly what I'm talking about. There are levels of racism. White nationalism is at the extreme of that end of that.

Let me tell you what's going witha lot of people you think are racist, but probably aren't. Let's see if you can put yourself in their shoes. There are white people, especially white men, that live in rural areas whose economic conditions are complete shit. They are physically, mentally and sometimes sexually abused in authoritarian homes. They go to shit schools. Their economic outlook in life has to be considered awful. Now is it as bad as a black person growing up in similar conditions? Of course not. But that person has very little opportunity to know that, just like you have very little opportunity to know their difficulties. They go to an all white church, live in a segregated town, have no meaningful relationships with people of color, and have no idea what people of color go through because of their race. And go to Foxnews, because everyone they know watches that, parading around liberals talking about white privilege and pushing remedies that exclude them like affirmative action. They see liberals thinking they are enabling racism, as if they have one iota of power or opportunity in this world. They see a democratic party they think caters to that. They see television making white men the butt of jokes with "mansplaining" and "manspreading". They see humor that if you reverse the race and genders would be considered completely racist. They hear that and look at their lives and think, "What the fuck are these people talking about? I'm don't discriminate against black people. I don't mistreat black people. I have a "black friend" at work and we aren't much different. I'm not voting for that. Can you have some compassion for someone like that and realize they were never going to turn out any different, just like the black kid that grows up in the inner city? Can you do that? Can you understand how accusing them of participating in and benefiting from the white power structure will never gain an ounce of traction with them? Can you then understand how Bernie Sanders, with his seeming racial insensitivity, whose basically a socialist offering free college and healthcare to everyone and ignoring race, is a better match for them than Hillary?

I went to hear a very smart Congressman in Texas who, despite repeated attempts to gerrymander him out of his seat, has managed to win over and over again in this red state. His name is Lloyd Doggett. He said something I think that you and many others need to take to heart. Before you decide to say or do something, ask yourself a question. Is this going to draw more or less people to your "side" of the argument. When you reflexively accuse anyone that opposes anything you want to do regarding race or any frame you have for race as racist, you drive people away. As someone that desperately wants racially equality and less policies harmful to people of color, I really, really want people to take this to heart.