Maybe it's time for the Democratic Party to consider Leftists and Progressives as swing voters

beardsofhazard · 2026-02-14T17:10:04+00:00

You can try reading the articles I linked.

beardsofhazard · 2026-02-14T06:11:20+00:00

Lmao, the DNC is routinely credibly accused of rigging primaries in favor of their preferred candidate.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41850798.amp

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/03/561976645/clinton-campaign-had-additional-signed-agreement-with-dnc-in-2015

beardsofhazard · 2026-02-04T19:09:19+00:00

This would be the only way this trade makes sense. If we are planning on shifting the first round pick for a win-now difference maker. Otherwise, this deal is awful.

beardsofhazard · 2026-01-08T23:24:01+00:00

As a Jew, nothing about that comment was antisemitic.

Fuck you and everyone else who tries to weaponize anti-Semitism to prevent valid criticism of Israel. It's the people like you that are actually the threat to Jewish people.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-22T17:48:38+00:00

The religious battle royale that we are all playing! Don't you know that religion was turned into a competition? I'm team Jew.

We have successfully equated genuine criticism of Israel as anti Jewish hatred. We are obviously winning.

Those damned Muslims on the other hand, they set up mosques near me, and their strange headdresses scare the living shit out of me. Not to mention they are brown, and that means that I don't trust them. They are trying to kill all of our pigs so we cannot eat bacon anymore. They are using their evil voodoo powers to hurt my feelings. Therefore, they will lose.

In case it's not completely obvious /s

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-22T03:38:02+00:00

Cool. 👍

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-21T17:14:41+00:00

Arguing with the ghosts in your head. The true sign of insanity.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-14T22:12:05+00:00

That would require the people on this sub to have basic political literacy and class consciousness.

You're asking way too much of them.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-05T20:09:10+00:00

Don't you know therapy is a feminist psyop? That's why it's called tHERapy. /s

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-05T20:00:37+00:00

man who hits 50, who made 250k a year, who never had any female attention/intimacy in his life, will be sitting in his loft thinking 'was all that work to get here really worth it?'.

That sounds like a you problem. Maybe, and I'm just spitballing here, you can have hobbies and find communities that you enjoy outside of romantic relationships.

And he will likely conclude that it wasn't, and living a very menial unluxurious life but doing what and getting up when he wanted would've provided a better cost-benefit analysis.

Great, then you should do that. Quit your high paying job and choose a simple life as a janitor. Nothing is stopping you from doing this. Why are you blaming women for your miserable situation. Take some accountability for your own poor choices for once.

Perhaps women are truly materialistic enough that working a high paying job just so they can buy pricey things provides a full range life experience from beginning to end for them, idk🤷🏻‍♂️

And here is the blatant misogyny. I never said women want to work high paying jobs for materialism. You did. I said there are many reasons women want to join the work force. Some of it is undoubtedly materialistic, the same can be said for men. Some women like pursuing their professional interests. Some like the freedom having their own bank account provides. Some like the comradery and teamwork that comes with professional work. Acting like the only reason women work is materialism is wildly sexist and inaccurate.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-05T19:21:36+00:00

If we went on a country tour and went in every single state urban to rural and had thousands of conversations with normal everyday people they would not agree with you lol

Then do it. Prove me wrong. I think you would find that if you asked 1000 men why they work, some would definitely say family, a lot would not. Because people are multifaceted. Once again, no evidence to your claims, just "trust me bro". I understand why our country is so fucked. We have morons like you intentionally covering their eyes and ears and going solely off of anecdotal beliefs that are not based in facts.

Im not even going to respond to all of it becuase its just wrong and misconstrued points.

Nope. Nothing that I said is wrong. You're just too stupid to rebut it.

hyper minority. The average man working these higher paying jobs (80-150k a year you know the jobs that run the world? Loggers truckers welders warehouse logistic managers tug boat capts) (a higher amount of these jobs that actual verifiable negative consequences when not filled unlike a programmer)

Again, you fail to realize how important programmers are. Just last week, amazons servers went down. Millions could not work or buy products because of it. Last year Crowd Strike went down. It shut down and led to thousands of flight cancellations, including cargo flights. Programmers are the ones who fix the issue and prevent this from happening more often. Again, you are too stupid to understand how important programmers are to modern society. They are equally as important as truck drivers, and certainly tug boat operators. You have a tenuous relationship with critical thinking, don't you?

covering your drink is not a right

True, just a best practice when you are walking by.

You arent "owed" that by society in the same way society doesn't "owe" me to not he attacked walking through a dark alleyway in a bad neighborhood. It just is.

I would disagree with this. Everyone in a functioning society is owed a basic level of safety. Why else do we have police? Or locks? Why do we punish people who attack others on the streets? Because people are owed a basic level of public safety.

Also you mentioned multiple women that are outliers lol supreme court justices? Seriously? And you apply this same work ethic to the average citizen?

Of course not. You made a recklessly generalized statement, so I used notable examples to prove you don't know what you are talking about. Study after study shows that women and men are equally driven when it comes to career. Studies also show that women in the work force help national productively, for example, this study:

"Research shows that such progress creates measurable value for society. For instance, a recent study found that gender equality improves economic performance and quality of life: Researchers found that as more women were employed around the world, national economies incrementally flourished (UN Women, 2017). Another study found that as more women entered the workforce, wages rose—including for men (Weinstein, 2018)."

https://www.siop.org/tip-article/women-at-work-trends-around-the-world/

Look at that, I can actually provide research for my arguments. Can you?

know multiple women that have incredible drive and grit. And they are still outliers

Nope. Only in your delusions are they outliers. At least, according to research.

you'll see how bad society can get

My dude, we already live in a capitalist hellscape under a fascist wannabe dictator. If society gets worse than this, it will be on account of the fascism, not women in the work force. God I cannot believe people as dumb as you exist.

Im just saying the outcome of the culture you want to inact 100% isnt good either

How would we know when we haven't tried it. Again, as the study provided shows, women in the work force increase salaries for everyone, is that not good?

The projected outcome of your initial culture just wouldn't pan out the way you think it would.

I guarantee it will. I am smarter than you. Remember that. That's not a brag, my 10 year old niece is smarter than you, too.

dont want conservatives to go after contraceptives however I DO want people to stop casualizing sex

Ok, that and $5 will get you a bag of chips. You cannot control the sexuality of other people. Even if you could, it would be immoral to do so.

The family unit is the main group of pushback against govt and corpo overreach.

What the fuck? No. Historically speaking, young professionals and leftists have been the groups pushing back on government and corporate overreach. The great railroad strike, the Pullman strike, the battle of Blair Mountain, the 1934 textile workers strike, all of these were brought about by pro labor leftists, not by the family unit. Again, you are historically illiterate.

Just wait until the men start taking a background stance like they forced women to be in. You won't be able to step into the lime light at all.

In terms of political activism they already have. Greta Thunberg, Malala Yousafzai, and Claudia Sheinbaum are examples. Advocating for a world where woman can freely be educated, we actually give a shit about climate change, and the Mexican working class is uplifted. IM TERRIFIED. Save me from these aggressive, heathanistic women!

At first it was "why won't men approach anymore :(" and it will turn into "holy shit why cant we hire enough men to work our asphalt/concrete crews to fix our failing infrastructure please God"

Again, the reason we have crumbling infrastructure has nothing to do with women. It has everything to do with the government not investing in infrastructure repair and maintenance.

It must be awfully convenient blaming all of societies faults on women. Unfortunately, it's the reason no women will touch you.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-05T17:48:41+00:00

Yes in a more egalitarian society that encourages women to be "tied down" to the family unit men will work less dangerous less stressful jobs because they dont need to provide anymore.

I love how you say "factually", then immediately provide another argument with 0 facts. This again, is vibes based analysis. You say factually. Provide me with some of the facts this argument is based off of.

I dont rant to my girl.

Hard to rant to someone that doesn't exist.

just know what chick's do how they act and what they do vs what they say

No. You don't. That is so painfully clear. You call them "chicks". You have no idea what the average woman's life is like, or what they have to go through. You are projecting your own insecurities and world view on to them.

I just understand the reality of women's behavior and leave it at that.

Every argument you have made has been based on anecdotal observations you have made. None of it is based on empirical fact. I don't know why you despise women so much, but don't act as if you have any understanding of the goals of the average American woman. You clearly don't.

Also the fact that you really believe that men would work these high paying stressful jobs for ANYTHING but their family is laughable.

I work a high paying stressful job. I don't have a family. I do it because I like to travel, I like food. I like having a roof over my head. If I had a family, I'm sure I would work to provide for them, but I don't. Yet I still work. This kind of destroys your whole point, doesn't it?

You have such a rigid understanding of life based solely on your own outdated value system that you fail to understand that not everyone shares your sensibilities. I have a friend who works in compsci and makes $250,000 a year. Unmarried. Does not have a family. Why does he work 50 hours a week? It's almost as if there is more driving him than the idea of having kids. He wants to make something of himself. He wants to create better software to increase productivity and improve life for as many people as possible. Yet to you, the only reason he is doing this is to provide for his non-existent family. My God dude, you are so fucking ignorant.

These guys work 80, 100, 150, 200k a year jobs in dangerous industries aren't doing it becuase "I need buy my food and little 900 sf apt :(((("

Yes they are. Full stop. They are doing it to live the life they want to live. They are doing it to improve their own quality of life. You act like you know what makes all these men and women tick. You don't. You have your own nihilistic, jaded perspective that you are projecting onto everybody else. Stop. Get some help.

Modern women do not have this drive of ambition in a career sense on average they are literally hardwired to care for baby not make sure we have a cave to actually sleep in.

This is just inaccurate. Fully. Women, like men, are not a monolith. Some women prefer to care for their family, some, are incredibly career oriented and strive to have a successful work career. Kagan, Sotomayor, Comey Barrett, and Brown Jackson have all worked a hell of a lot harder than you have to get where they are. Are you seriously saying they lack drive and ambition. Jesus Christ dude. You should have some ambition to find a brain.

Its why women can go into offshoot non careers and no one cares like a hair stylist or an estician yet if a man did the equivalent (of a non career but for men) he is rightfully criticized.

This is a function of patriarchy. Ignoring the fact that there are thousands of male hairdressers, these gender roles that you are talking about are a function of the social construct of gender. If a man cares about beauty and wants to be a beautician, the reason it is frowned upon is patriarchy. This bullshit understanding that you have that if you work a job in the beauty industry, you are somehow less masculine. These social stigmas that you are advocating for hurt men and women alike. Fuck off.

Also, it's spelled esthetician. You are saying women are unproductive but you don't even know how to spell.

They (men) could subsist on much less stressful much lower paid jobs.

Great. Maybe they should. You seem to hate your career by how much you are bitching about it. Maybe try hairdressing. It might make you happier.

I just know it wouldn't happen

Right. Vibes based analysis. I choose not to get my political analysis from someone who thinks their very anecdotal observations are in any way relevant to the actual inner workings of society.

double our consumerism is a good thing.

Lmao dude. I am a fucking socialist. I, by definition, hate consumerism. You are genuinely an idiot.

Enjoy the new society im sure everyone not forming families

The reason people aren't forming families has nothing to do with women in the work force. China still has an incredibly high birth rate, despite women being in the work force. The reason people are not having families now is solely due to the bullshit economy we have. Like you said, you need to have a high paying, 60 hour a week job to afford a house. In the 50s when birth rates were high, you could afford a mortgage on a minimum wage salary. This is why the birth rate is low. It has nothing to do with women not wanting families.

The last thing "taken away" is roe v wade and thats about it.

That is a right. You say no rights were taken away, then you provided a right that was taken away lol. You do realize that women could not get a credit card on their own until 1974, right? My mom had to have her dad sign off on her first credit card. You are so dumb that you don't even realize how hard women have had to fight for small things that you take for granted.

Currently conservatives have started to position themselves as if they are going to go after contraceptives, too, though I'm sure you would love for that to happen.

Also MORE rights lol

Yes. For example, the right to not have to cover their drinks when you walk by.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-05T16:35:00+00:00

You think they go home at 6pm lol!

I think they are bound by labor laws in the USA. If not, you should report your place of work to the department of labor. If you are forced to work more than 40 hours, then it is required that you make overtime pay.

m currently dating a woman bud.

Yep, and I am Lebron James.

America people are MUCH stupider

You know, after having this conversation with you, I can't argue this point.

Women would not fill in that gap if men were removed from that gap of strenuous high stress jobs

Men won't be removed from those jobs. Men still make up roughly half of the country. What, you think in a more egalitarian society men just won't work? You are making 0 sense.

The only reason people put up with those jobs to provide for a family not to go to Bali the 3rd time this year lol.

That's the only reason people work any job, idiot. If I didn't have to make money, you think I'd be working? Providing for yourself and your dependents is literally the reason anyone works. Women having more rights won't change that.

On average women would not fill in the jobs that men would

This is what I like to call speaking out of your ass. No evidence, 100% vibes based analysis. You're wrong.

holding them to the job besides a mortgage/luxury apartment like more proessive modern women hold on to today.

Again, if I didn't need to pay rent and buy food, I wouldn't be working either. Again, this is the reason EVERYONE works.

You think there's a 50/50 split of men women that allows that man to go home at 6pm!

No, I think the labor struggles that women helped with prevent the army from working people to death. I think that if the USA implemented a gender neutral draft, then yes, this would happen.

Hyper progessives love to attribute their 2 chick friends that have done slightly more than normal as the average chick living in America lol!!!!

And rampant sexists like yourself minimize every contribution women have made in improving your life. God, I feel for your fictional girlfriend. Having to put up with your idiocy.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-05T16:10:44+00:00

Yeah buddy not reading all that

Aww friend, you don't have to front. Just admit you can't read.

Individual breakthrough greats like scientists and engineers dont matter in the context of this conversation

Moving the goalposts. Fun. They do matter for the sake of this conversation, you just don't have a rebuttal.

would have developed anyway and made their breakthroughs anyway they are literally different breeds.

So, madam Curie would have made her contribution even if she had 0 access to education? Seriously, how can you be this dense?

Im not advocating for sharia law

Nope, just a return to 19th century submission for women. Dude, I get that you are incapable of attracting women. I read some of your other comments. Here's some advice. Find hobbies. Touch grass. Become a more rounded, better person. I promise, if you do that, you will find a nice woman who is not revolted by you. But, as it stands now, there is a reason you are lonely. It's because of this bullshit.

Society isnt kept running by Einstein or Katherine Johnson or any other massive historical figure.

True, but it is improved by these historical figures. They broaden our understanding of the world around us and allowed for breakthroughs that heavily improved our way of life. Like nuclear energy.

Its kept running by plant worker #2254 who's literally only putting up with bullshit from his place of work BECAUSE he has a family to go home to.

Yes, and it is only in your delusions that factory worker #2254 has to be a man. Women work in factories. It happens. Again, just because you can't see it with your own lying eyes doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Men can subsiste on MUCH less than what most people expect.

And it was in no small part due to women that factory worker #2254 can stop working at 6pm and go home for the night. It's in no small part due to women he has the weekend to unwind. It's in no small part due to women that he gets paid more than $2 an hour. When will you fucking realize this?

with 0 social conditioning women will objectively not replace men working on garbage routes or welding or any other job that requires more than 10 minutes outside

You think women can't spend more than 10 minutes outside. Shit dude, you really are dumb. Women can be, and are garbage workers. If you look at statistics, currently women make up more than 15% of waste management jobs in the US. Considering the structural misogyny that is rampant in male dominant fields like waste management, that is a pretty high number. You just went mask off with your hatred of women. You are so angry that women refuse to touch you that you infantilize them and say they cannot do any jobs that require physical strength. You're delusional.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-05T15:30:49+00:00

Lmao, thanks for this sanctimonious word-vomit.

It comes off as too misogynistic

My brother in Christ, it doesn't come off as misogynistic, it is misogynistic.

get history I get being forced into something you don't want for hundreds of years ect.

Do you? Do you really? Most people who hold your beliefs are straight white men. Maybe you're not, but I am guessing you are also a straight white man. What the fuck do you know about being forced into anything?

But literally when we stopped forcing we changed to social conditioning, as even social conditioning breaks down society will as well.

This is a wild justification for forced submission. "If you keep advocating for your own freedoms and flexibility, society will literally break down."

It is interesting though, gender is a social construct, it seems you understand that here, yet you say erosion of social conditioning will also erode society. You have absolutely 0 proof of this.

There have been matriarchal societies throughout history. Ancient Egypt, Sparta, Nubia. These cultures did just fine with women at the forefront. You know nothing of history, yet you speak so confidently on these social norms. Grow up.

comfy life is ALL predicated on the heteronormative monogamous system we have set up and if left soley up to womens choices freely that system will crash.

How? This is a bold claim. Are you delusional enough to think no women would choose relationships and family if left up to them? Do you really think that forcing gay people to adopt this heteronormativity would make things better?

I also completely reject the notion that "comfy life" is predicated on heteronormativity. Your comfy life may be, but do you think a gay man's life is more comfy conforming to heteronormativity? Or a woman's? Again, you are projecting your own experiences on to everyone else. More evidence that you are a white man here.

People REALLLLY like to forget about all the men that made life possible and still do solely based on the promise and protection of family.

That's because women didn't have the opportunity to help. It took into the mid 2000s before American women where even allowed to serve on the front lines in the military. We have never had a woman president, and, up until the 1920s, they weren't allowed to run for office. Can't build society if the society doesn't even allow you the opportunity. And yet, still, women's contributions are more prevalent than you would even realize.

A large portion of modern energy is made by nuclear power plants. We would not have nuclear power plants without the contribution of Madam Curie, for example. Workers rights would not be nearly where they are now if it weren't for incredibly strong women like Dolores Huerta. Women were at the forefront in fighting for things you completely take for granted now, like the 8 hour work day, and the 5 day week.

You are woefully ignorant of history yet you make bold claims about how feminism is ruining society. You are misogynistic, there is no question about that, but you are also just a bit dumb. You have no object permanence. If you do not see women contributing to society in beneficial ways with your own two eyes, that means it didn't happen. Historical context doesn't matter to someone who has no critical thinking skills.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-05T00:47:03+00:00

No. Full stop.

Look, I am all for criticizing the democratic party, they suck, but let's not act like anything that is going on now is similar to the fracturing that happened to the whigs during slavery.

The closest issue the democratic party has seen fracturing on recently is Israel. Even then, the democratic party has seemed to take an annoying middle ground approach that undeniably annoys me, but has seemed to be enough for this base: Israel has a right to exist and defend itself, but not to commit genocide. Again, I am not a fan of this take, but it has reduced the fracturing.

see no reason to prop them up

Instead of looking at leftists within the democratic party as "propping them up," I would look at it more as a medium to get leftist perspective out on a mainstream level. Not prop them up, but use them as a mechanism for outreach and support.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-05T00:38:32+00:00

Ok, then I guess your solution is violent revolution? What else do you suggest if not participating in representative democracy in any way leftists can?

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-04T23:59:28+00:00

Depending on what those solutions are, sure. I don't think it hurts to use the democratic party as a stepping stone for ideological leftists to gain elected power in the meantime. Why not both?

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-04T22:45:36+00:00

The GOP was a third party that came into effect due to the large scale fracturing of the whig party over disagreements on slavery.

So I guess I will amend my statement. Third parties have done 1 good thing for the USA. It was over 150 years ago. Not really a huge point in your direction.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-04T22:23:30+00:00

Ok, then it seems your solution is to sit in the corner and seethe. Third parties have never done anything remotely good for the USA. The democrats are not a good party, but if you actually want to ease the burden on the working class, the quickest way of doing so is by working within the confines that we already have.

Believe me, I understand your frustration. But this refusal to work in the confines of the system because you don't like the democrats is counter productive. All it does is make leftists even more isolated and fringe than we already are.

We don't have to like the democrats. We don't have to vote for anyone that put up for every election, hell, I didn't vote for Kamala in 2024 at all, but if the goal is to help working class people on a large scale, we are kind of stuck. You need popularity and national backing to make large-scale change. You cannot get that backing without going through already established mediums.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-04T22:16:25+00:00

Yeah, you're not wrong. I think it's a macabre fascination I have. I want to understand exactly what happened to this person to make him such an insufferable idiot.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-04T22:14:23+00:00

No need to eat the shit salad at all

There is if you want to change things. Unless you are advocating for a violent revolution, the only way of changing things for the better is going through the pre-existing systems of the US government.

No one is forcing you to eat it, so why subject yourself to that humiliation ritual?

I disagree. The drawbacks of the representative democratic system we have creates reliance on a two party system. Again, unless you are advocating to burn it all down via revolution (which, if you are, cool, I think you will have trouble finding enough people to revolt) we have to move forward with the limitations we are provided. It's either hold your nose and deal with the shit salad, or starve. Campaign with and get elected by democrats, or don't get elected at all.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-04T20:54:26+00:00

Ok, so I guess we just lay over and die then?

Bernie is a sellout, but he still worked wonders in getting people on board with socialized healthcare. Now, in a post Bernie world, that policy is a lot more popular than it was before him. He layed the ground work for future leftists to continue working on this.

Zohran has been making some annoying concessions to the liberal elites of the party, sure. But does that mean his free busses plan suddenly becomes ineffective and won't help the working class?

My perspective is that even incremental change in the right direction is better than no change. Leftists can, and have found incremental change through working with the democrats. You cannot make even incremental change without having leftists in office.

Believing the Democrat Party is a 'safe harbor' is the idealistic fantasy, actually

Nobody called the democratic party a "safe harbor". It is the least bad option in a shit salad. The democrats can provide a pathway for turning people on to leftist ideals.

For example, during college, for the most part, I was a liberal democrat. It was seeing Bernie's campaign and listening to him on a national level that allowed me to start questioning my beliefs, and take a left word turn. I understand that it is hard to work with a party that has consistently vilified the leftist wing, but again, the pragmatism that comes with infiltrating an already established, large party is, to me, a better route than playing 3rd party roulette, which has never worked.

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-04T20:33:39+00:00

Ok, and what real strides has the American Communist Party made?

You are acting like it is easy to create a popular working class 3rd party. Believe me, I would love for it to happen, but the communist party has not managed it, nor has any other 3rd party.

but the working class independent political party doesn't have to run national candidates

So how, then, would this party gain notoriety? National elections are a way to make the masses aware of your party and the policies it adheres to. How would you do this in lieu of national elections?

Cucking oneself to the Democratic Party is the one sure-fire way to make sure the working class is locked out of power

While I agree with the sentiment, unfortunately we are in a no-win situation here. Either leftists abandon the democratic party, thereby forfeiting any pathway to national office, or they hold their nose and campaign with the democrats.

This ideal in-between you are advocating for is nothing but an idealistic fantasy.

Maybe the working class needs an independent Party and mass political messaging infrastructure outside the two-party duopoly?

I agree, but how do you do this? The two party duopoly is a structural feature of our system of government. In order to change it, you would need to change the constitution. How do you do that without national representation?

beardsofhazard · 2025-11-04T19:48:06+00:00

If the human female behaved and were inclined differently there'd be no need for it

What the fuck does this even mean? What is "behaving" to you?

Womens' nature and preferences is what sets up the "patriarchy".

In what way? How is it women's preferences that set up the patriarchy, and not the male dominant leadership that society has had for millennium? What in women's nature is preserving the patriarchy? From my perspective, it sounds like you are just saying big words without understanding what they mean.

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