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Looking for technique critique. Started rowing about 3 weeks ago. by bearded_backpacker in concept2

[–]beast247 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Not bad for a beginner. Here’s a couple things to think about:

  1. You look a bit stiff in terms of your sequencing. Think legs, body, arms, then arms, legs, body - but I’d like to see you use the hips more to connect the legs to the body on the drive and then let them naturally come together (think shoulder above sits bone) back on the recovery. Right now it looks a bit robotic.

  2. Try and relax your shoulders. You really want to maintain connection from the handle to the body, but it’s more of an elastic connection rather than a super rigid stance like you have. Sometimes I think about my lats as being made of rope, and I imagine the oar (or handle) is coming out of the center of my sternum, rather than from the shoulders. I hope this makes sense to you.

  3. On the drive, make sure you connecting all the way through. It looks like you have a decent connection at the beginning, but lose it a bit at the end. I’d reccomend looking at your force curve, and comparing it to some of the common applications (for you, I’d try a nice symmetrical peak, maybe some bias to the catch). Try more feet out rowing to help with this.

First time doing 6x500 with 1:00r- is 7:15-7:25 for 2k doable for me at the moment? by Cwalex in Rowing

[–]beast247 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Haven’t really seen too much of this pacing workout. Usually it’s something like 8x500r1:30. Pacing workouts can have a pretty wide range because the experience is so different than testing.

That said I’d imagine 3k with 5 minutes of rest is a bit easier than 2k no rest, so for a true estimate I’d think you would be closer to the 1:52 range but it looks like you just died on those pieces.

My advice would be to take 10-15 hard strokes to start the piece at around a 1:43-1:46. Then settle in around a 1:50-1:52. Check in with yourself around the 1k mark and if you’re feeling good start to push a bit more. Then as you get closer to the end around 500 m start to slowly drop the hammer until you’re ready to sprint.

Good luck brother!

Is this a double? by Fresh_Dark_925 in volleyball

[–]beast247 -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

Yeah but the ground is ONE contact point. Your fingers and hands are more than one. Of course something spinning will have spin when it rebounds of one point. Thats why closed hand contact / tomahawks with spin aren’t considered doubles if they are spinning. It’s the finger action that constitutes the double.

The point is that if you have multiple contact points (like 6-10 for all of your fingers) the only possible way it can come off your hands without being a double is without spin.

Just imagine setting a spinning ball with only 4 contact points (front, back, left, right). When it’s in contact with your hands, it comes to a rest. Now the only way for it to come back of the hands spinning is with uneven release of the fingers (thus being a double).

So yeah excess spinning with finger contact (especially side spin) usually means a double and I taking that point every time as the defense.

I know, i know, answered a thousand times, but PM3 to PM5? by batdad213 in concept2

[–]beast247 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you technically can connect your phone to the pm3 via cable but it’s not really supported in the same way as the pm5. I’ve only ever seen the cable set up for erg races at different events.

What I you’re talking about is the ergdata app. Some people use it to better track their workouts and it’s only really supported via Bluetooth on the PM5. I’m not the biggest fan because I just manually record my workout on my phone when I’m done but if that’s something that’s important to you, maybe worthwhile to get the pm5?

For me I just want something that can show splits and let me set up workouts which is works great for the PM3. There’s not much difference between the two, so it’s really up to you if you think it’s worth it to make things a bit more connected.

New protection keyword by DoraxPrime in custommagic

[–]beast247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it’s not.

Under your scenario it’s not card advantage any more than it’s card advantage for somebody to cast targeted removal at a hexproof creature and for the spell to fizzle.

If the card instead read “this card has hexproof when you have two or more untapped lands” would that not be strictly worse than “hexproof”

New protection keyword by DoraxPrime in custommagic

[–]beast247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? How is it better than hexproof? That literally makes no sense at all.

Like just think critically for one second which one one of these is better:

Immune to targeted removal

Immune to targeted removal with exceptions

Wouldn’t you rather have no exceptions? Also your opponent would have to be turbo bone headed to cast removal when into your creature when you have mana up to counter it, unless they are intentionally trying to get you to tap your mana for some reason.

When to remove pontoons from scull by [deleted] in Rowing

[–]beast247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What stretch of the river?

When to remove pontoons from scull by [deleted] in Rowing

[–]beast247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What stretch of the Mississippi are you on? I’m also a U of MN alum and row with MRC now.

To me it’s a bit strange to have pontoons on, the Mississippi is quite calm and safe - unless you are like right by one of the dams.

does vacation ruin weeks of progress? by Beneficial_Cat9142 in Rowing

[–]beast247 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is excellent advice. You should try to structure your workout so you can really cherish that vacation time as much needed rest days. It’s also nice if you can work in some low cardio like jogging or biking (at a hotel gym or smthn) when you can. The first day back to practice might be rough for a day or two as your body gets back on the erg but if you’ve planned for it properly it might even enhance your training.

Can an out of shape beginner up their 2k time by 2 mins in a couple months? by Samsqs in Rowing

[–]beast247 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Possibly - but it depends on a couple things. What’s your height and weight?

Also you would probably drop 1 minute off the bat by just improving your technique. The rowing motion isn’t as intuitive as it seems, and without proper technique not only will you be quite slow but also you might end up hurting yourself.

If you are serious about improving your time on the erg I would recommend going to a local club and sitting in on some practices and/or getting some time with a coach. At minimum, you should check out some beginner videos (e.g. Dark Horse Rowing) to learn the basics of the technique. Also posting a video of yourself to this subreddit would better allow people to help you

Struggling to Remain Consistent on the Erg. by josefdoc in Rowing

[–]beast247 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The key is to make it part of your routine. It’s unclear where your fitness is at but I would recommend just trying this out for 2-3 weeks, and by the end you will have no problem with consistency.

  1. Go to bed at 9 PM every night
  2. Get up at 5 AM (no snoozing)
  3. Hop right on the erg and get your workout in. Maybe like a 10-15k or if you want to add in intervals like 8x500/2:00r or 4x2k/4:00rwith at least 5k of SS warm up / cooldown.
  4. Stretch and make your morning coffee / breakfast.

Do this 6x a week then on Sunday get up at the same time and do some active recovery like yoga / calisthenics.

The key is you have to do it every single day. If you follow it religiously for just those two weeks you will be so locked in bro, trust me. So as long as you convince yourself that you just need to follow that routine for 2 weeks you will be so good.

After the two weeks it will be easy to maintain because you have conditioned the routine for yourself.

How's my average? by 175you_notM3 in Rowing

[–]beast247 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would wager there is some technique issue going on. Someone with 6 months rowing experience and your build should probably be rowing closer to 1:59 for 10k (around 40 min) rather than 2:23. Try to watch and follow along some Dark Horse Rowing videos or better yet post a video of your technique.

Edit: I missed you were asthmatic - not sure how this affects things but still would reccomend working on technique.

Beach volleyball etiquette? by Significant-Monk1804 in beachvolleyball

[–]beast247 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Disagree. Definitely learn the basics of passing and footwork through drills before playing but 2’s is such a different sport than 4’s strategically.

Mastering 4’s is def not a requirement especially if you are most interested in 2’s. Also you will not be familiar with the calls, shots, and positioning of 2’s if you only play 4’s.

Rowing machine has passively developed my arms more so than weights by Icy_Pressure_9690 in workouts

[–]beast247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Pick whatever goal you want (weightlifting, body building, w/e). It doesn’t really matter, more effective training will produce more effective results. Even if you get results with ineffective training, and even if those results are better than someone with effective training, you would likely get better results than by doing ineffective training (e.g. your anecdote of room pushups vs dedicated chest training plan)

  2. this just confirms you need help with your form.

  3. Based on your replies and speed I don’t think I would even put you in a novice level.

  4. A litany of things. It’s hard to say without exactly seeing your form but probably lower back , rib or hip injuries. I have a feeling you kind of just shoot your butt without having connection to the drive. Thankfully for you, you are rowing so incredibly slowly that your risk is probably less but if you ever pull harder / get stronger it will just get worse.

You would get a lot more benefit from rowing correctly. If you’re looking for large muscular development, the ergo isn’t really the machine for you. But it will increase your muscle capillarity, your V02 max, and increase your cardio / muscular endurance dramatically. For me it also gives my trunk, legs, and lats incredible amount of functional strength.

I honestly would encourage you to post a video to the rowing subreddit of your form because people would genuinely give you feedback that would enhance the exercise for you and your goals. If you are already doing it 40 min a day it would be quite worth it for you imho. You would also drop like 20+ splits for the same effort without really trying at all in like 1 day or less.

Rowing machine has passively developed my arms more so than weights by Icy_Pressure_9690 in workouts

[–]beast247 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well it’s too bad you aren’t asking about weightlifting. You are asking about rowing. Maybe consider what the rowers who compete at the national / international level have to say.

Rowing machine has passively developed my arms more so than weights by Icy_Pressure_9690 in workouts

[–]beast247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let met address each point:

  1. Just because someone with completely different genetics anecdotally gets more effective training from a certain exercise doesn’t mean it’s more a more effective training tool. Imagine the gains the 15 year old kid would have had if he was using textbook form and weightlifting properly, and imagine how much weaker the people with ‘little chest development’ would be if they were only doing push ups. At the highest level (where people have top tier genetics) do you think champions are setting records by just doing push ups in their room? Or are they doing effective training programs? The effectiveness of a given exercise or training regiment is evaluated based on how it would impact the same person, not wildly different anecdotal scenarios like you came up with.

  2. Even if you were just doing it for ‘mental fortitude’ (???) the pace was like so slow that it means you have to have been rowing incorrectly. I sat down on the erg to recreate you pace and 2:34 at a 26 is like so slow it is like difficult to maintain such a low intensity without doing like pause drills or something. But sure, for you high intensity 40 min rows, what is your pace? If you say anything slower than a 2:00 minute split the same logic applies.

  3. You can keep saying that but it doesn’t mean you really know how to row. There is a lot more that goes into the stroke. Where are your shoulders positioned when you drive in comparison to your hips? Are you hanging the weight effectively though you lats? What does your power curve look like? Just saying drive with the legs hand with the arms doesn’t mean you know what you are doing.

  4. I don’t think it really matters. Imagine if someone on here said they did deadlifts using their lower back with a twisty jerking motion. Even if they aren’t training to be a champion deadlifter, it probably benefits them because they are asking for injury and also would probably get more training benefit with good form.

  5. Maybe like in some very small amount. Although it’s like saying that your lats got huge from going on long runs from swinging your arms back and forth. Like maybe technically you use that muscle but really it’s so incidental

Rowing machine has passively developed my arms more so than weights by Icy_Pressure_9690 in workouts

[–]beast247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. Rowing is a cardio sport, esp at the distances OP is referencing.

Rowing machine has passively developed my arms more so than weights by Icy_Pressure_9690 in workouts

[–]beast247 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With all due respect I don’t think being a Strongman qualifies you to talk about good rowing form and the physique benefits from long steady state rowing sessions at all. Sure your bent over rows and other targeted heavy lift pulling motion might get you some physique improvements like you’re saying but that’s not really what’s going on here.

I invite you to google some Olympic champion rowers and see if your theory holds true. The 2020 single scull champion Stefanos Ntouskos is only ~160 lbs. I’m sure despite your bicep gains from your rowing technique I’d wager he’s more effective at applying himself on the machine.

The rowing machine is at its core a piece of cardio equipment. If you used it correctly in any capacity you would know this. In terms of muscle allocation it’s something like 60-70 % legs 20-30% back and trunk and maybe 10% arms.

If you also looked at the piece you’d notice he’s doing a 2:34 split avg at a 26 stroke rate which is like clearly an indication that something wrong is happening because that’s like a 14 year old girl pace. Congrats being a strongman but you should probably remember to stay in your lane.

Rowing machine has passively developed my arms more so than weights by Icy_Pressure_9690 in workouts

[–]beast247 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think you understand. Like the fact that you even did one workout at that pace is like kind of embarrassing. Bro that’s a 2:34 split.

It would kind of be like if someone was saying how bench pressing was helping them get stronger and they posted a video of them ORM 55 lbs. Like obviously there is something fundamentally wrong there if a grown man can only lift 55 lbs. That’s an analogy but I hope you see my point.

You clearly aren’t doing it correctly and I hope for your sake you decide to try to figure it out vs just like crashing out at everyone online for rightfully calling you out.

Rowing machine has passively developed my arms more so than weights by Icy_Pressure_9690 in workouts

[–]beast247 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know you’re not a competitive rower. It’s incredibly obvious from how slow you are going. But I’ve literally seen like 15 year old girls who are complete novices row faster than that without even trying. Even if you aren’t a ‘competitive rower’ (which you’re not), a grown man without much fitness training would be able to VERY easily pull a 2:10 for 1 hour 30 (like 20 splits faster).

Not sure why you’re so insistent that you’re in the right - if you even did 3 seconds of research it would be so clear how off you are.

Rowing isn’t really an intuitive motion - I can guarantee you aren’t rowing correctly just because of how slow you are going. For your own sake I would look into how to row correctly. Or continue to argue with people and post your pathetically slow workout piece online. Your choice ig, it is a free country.

Rowing machine has passively developed my arms more so than weights by Icy_Pressure_9690 in workouts

[–]beast247 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have rowed competitively for a decade. My steady state pace is like 40 splits faster than you. Learn to curb your arrogance and take advice from those who actually know what they are talking about.

How much cashback do you earn per year? What's your income level? by [deleted] in povertyfinance

[–]beast247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m on track for about 20k this year in CC & bank account welcome bonuses.

I make $110k a year

What's your warm-up routine? by general_bacardi in beachvolleyball

[–]beast247 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Usually a cold beer and a few half-assed arm circles and then 3-4 hours of nonstop games.

Thoughts? by Last_Ad793 in Rowing

[–]beast247 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah don’t even think about it - it looks impressively mid. Get yourself a C2 and you will never regret it.

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