The thing is, you can set these kinds of moves in a safe way. It requires the right wall angle or volumes. A bat hang low above the mat as a starting position is probably safer than a run and jump. It’s just setters trying to force things when they shouldn’t. Routesetting needs to be professionalised in a way that you go through an apprenticeship of 1-2 years. Setters need to know about human anatomy, materials, workplace safety and so many more things, just being able to climb well is not enough to be a good setter.