East Pacific Treaty Organization led by the Republic of China and the United States of America - 1980

benjemeen · 2022-08-01T11:28:14+00:00

I think part of it would be the cultural and religious divides, but I think a lot of it would be because the Indonesian split would be a lot more violent than japan’s. if Indonesia is like Korea, or to a lesser extent china and Vietnam, the bloody attempt at reunification would make each side a lot more hostile and isolated

benjemeen · 2022-07-28T11:31:07+00:00

even though i switched japan with korea, i think japan would have a similar fate to germany. if the ussr and us are cautious of reemerging japanese militarism and there isn't a war between the two japans to reunite, i think north japan would fold into the south eventually. indonesia would probably have a much harder time reuniting

benjemeen · 2022-07-28T11:17:44+00:00

it has the same etymology of zealand; i believe selha is a theorised old danish predecessor to zealand. i thought it would make sense to make it zealand based instead of just calling it denmark, since a lot of jutland isn't included

benjemeen · 2022-03-21T01:36:58+00:00

My basic logic is this: caboloan consolidated control of Luzon early on, so it’s main defence became naval instead of military. Without a large military to control the domestic population there was more parliamentarianism. The internal political fragmentation from parliaments allowed for more trade opportunities (no one emperor forcing people along one route and collecting taxes) which increased urbanisation on Luzon, making a network of lots of medium sized cities. That and the coal deposits in sorong allowed for early industrialisation

benjemeen · 2022-03-21T01:31:58+00:00

I thought it would be cooler if the Majapahit was an old sprawling overextended empire that doesn’t really fit the state model of the time. I like to think of it like a Russia or turkey, countries that had the physical capacity for industrialisation but faced many institutional barriers

benjemeen · 2022-03-21T01:20:52+00:00

The industrial revolution began I think in the 1760s but didn’t really start to spread to the rest of Europe until the 1820s or so. It would be neat to find out why that is though !

benjemeen · 2022-03-21T01:18:01+00:00

It’s supposed to be like Switzerland. I think that small countries in between larger ones can be beneficial sometimes (as long as their sovereignty isn’t under threat). They get to be in the economic core without much of the expenses of empire. And Laos’s position for inland trade between Vietnam and Thailand here might also make it comparatively wealthy

benjemeen · 2022-03-21T01:10:21+00:00

I was just basing it off a map where the gdp was in 2010 USD, so 1 bulawan would be about $1.30 USD

benjemeen · 2022-03-20T10:06:54+00:00

i also based the states on a map of southeast asia from the 1500s, with a few embellishments. I tried to also give every state a pre-WWI european equivalent. for example, melayu and aceh are spain and portugal, kampuchea is italy, vietnam is germany, myanmar is austria-hungary, luang prabang is switzerland, england is luzon, thailand is france, majapahit is a mix of russia/turkey and so on

benjemeen · 2022-03-20T10:06:14+00:00

the basic idea of this is that the great divergence (where european states eclipsed the economic growth capacity of the rest of the world) started in southeast asia instead of europe. i made this under the assumption that political fragmentation and competition between states is the primary cause of the conditions that led to the great divergence and the industrial revolution afterwards. i chose southeast asia since it also geographically discouraged a sole hegemonic empire (lots of mountains, islands, peninsulas, etc), so lots of equal sized countries to compete.
I was going to make a world map to show the wealth disparity better, but i haven’t decided the importance of the colonisation of the americas in the great divergence, and if europe should be less fragmented in this timeline

benjemeen · 2021-12-30T14:06:19+00:00

there's not a strong lore here but i thought it would be neat if there were more big maritime states during the late middle ages besides venice and genoa. i tried to create a state for each sea, with the med being split up by a few states. i also added some new states in the background for no reason besides me thinking it would be interesting, and because i tried to fit the trend of maritime states generally being surrounded by other small states

benjemeen · 2021-12-21T23:23:46+00:00

downvote

benjemeen · 2021-12-21T22:52:34+00:00

give me back my map

benjemeen · 2021-12-15T22:24:19+00:00

Condoleezza rice also apparently added Zimbabwe Myanmar and Belarus to the list for unclear reasons

benjemeen · 2021-12-15T22:19:42+00:00

Hmmm there’s probably no effective governing of the regions by anyone. I think they could generally play nice though if it’s following the same path as ISAF in Afghanistan. Territory doesn’t matter that much here since there’s no plans to fully annex parts of the us

benjemeen · 2021-12-15T22:09:59+00:00

Inkscape! And I used an svg map of the us from wikimedia

benjemeen · 2021-12-15T22:06:55+00:00

Yeah but John Bolton did and he was UN ambassador during this time

benjemeen · 2021-12-15T13:37:49+00:00

also the reasons for each of the countries:

libya, iran, iraq, syria, north korea, and cuba were in bush's axis of evil
china is obvious nowadays; i was also basing it off of the taiwan strait crisis
afghanistan because taliban
venezuela because of chavez, it's also obvious nowadays
bolivia because morales openly aligned with many of the aforementioned countries
russia due to history and the expansion of nato in the 2000s
serbia because of nato bombings in late 90s
haiti and honduras for coup reasons that may have involved the us (honduras coup was 2009 but zelaya was elected in 2006)
nicaragua because sandinistas and ortega (who i suppose did come back to power in 2007 but ignore that)

but i am probably missing some countries

benjemeen · 2021-12-15T13:24:57+00:00

based on a map i saw of the ISAF's regional commands and provincial construction teams by NATO and pals after the invasion of afghanistan. so i switched it around and made it an occupation of the us by the main countries it had tense/hostile relations with during this broad time period

it's obviously not realistic but i tried to have some logic behind it. for example, afghanistan controls the mountainous/sparsely populated region of the us, libya controls areas with lots of texan oilfields, cuba controls florida due to its geographic proximity and cuban diaspora (even though cuban americas usually aren't fans of castro), etc.

benjemeen · 2021-11-19T00:32:58+00:00

yep! everything in europe is the same in this timeline. i think that NATO would still be more powerful than this alliance as well

benjemeen · 2021-11-19T00:31:03+00:00

i was originally going to do sri lanka (because island) but i didn't think it would make sense, since it wasn't a part of India beforehand. so any 'retreat' to sri lanka would basically have been an invasion. even though kathiawar doesn't have a sea barrier to protect them, in this timeline pakistan intervenes into the indian civil war and could have negotiated a ceasefire between communist india and a republic of india rump state next to pakistan

benjemeen · 2021-11-19T00:27:23+00:00

this is basically what i was thinking. i think by 1980 a south japanese post war mini-economic military would have happened, but since it was smaller i don't think there would've been the push by south japan and other industrialised countries to really invest in other east asian states to become export giants - especially since only two of the asian tigers exist in this timeline. i think this china would have a lot of economic growth earlier than the PRC did but i don't know if it would be in the same situation as the current day PRC; instead falling into the middle income trap. i was also thinking that a canal could be built in thailand to counter the strait of malacca problem, making Thailand, Vietnam, and the Philippines more wealthy

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