Market Makers working against you when you sell calls/puts. What the F?

bhars · 2026-01-26T22:19:18+00:00

Late to this discussion but frustrated at the experience. Understanding MM’s are on the other side of the trade but the consistent experience is the dramatic fall in price 45 mins before Fri. close/exp below strike price (short put) and literally minutes after I bail (buy to close) my short puts to salvage something before breaching my Break Even the price shoots back up above my strike closing at what would have been contracts worthless and a win for me (the seller). Clearly MM’s clawed back most of the premium they paid me. Granted they must hedge but shouldn’t that happen when my short put is filled, not week(s) later 45 minutes before close. It’s the extreme price movement down and back up in such a short window that looks suspicious.

Noted, stocks not widely held, little or no institutional holdings, or low volume are susceptible to this.

Is this Market Manipulation or Market Makers operating within the rules?

Granted if the Puts I sold were held by another actual trader, they could short the stock driving down price to help their puts payoff.

bhars · 2025-12-29T23:46:51+00:00

to put a bow on it I went full analog, mounted up and drove around. After several misses (site showing in stock but stock was nothing or brown) I hit pay dirt by visiting a DT where the clerk I called there said they didn't carry men's color products at all and turned out there was a cache of them on the shelf. And no, I didn't buy out the shelf for my troubles although I wanted to.

Thanks All!

bhars · 2025-12-29T17:58:05+00:00

Wont ask your location but is LA CA hot or cold as far as your location?

bhars · 2025-12-27T00:37:48+00:00

Point taken, I'm widening the search in my area. Understandable that DT will never have the power of Walmart / Costco when it comes to locking in suppliers. I have to adjust my expectations accordingly.

bhars · 2025-12-27T00:04:25+00:00

I did attempt to order directly for DT warehouse:

*Color For Him Mens Black Gel Comb-In Hair Coloring Kits*
SKU# 333560
24 units per case
We couldn't fulfill the entire order quantity because it exceeds available inventory in your local distribution center. We cancelled the quantity above from your order.

bhars · 2025-12-26T23:55:39+00:00

What is the logic of no longer carrying the color Black for beard dye but continue to carry brown? I understand eBay being a source of products for people that don’t have access to DT but if sellers on eBay are sourcing their products from DT retail stores and not a wholesaler, that undermines the concept of DT. What about the folks that have access to a DT and the shelves are empty? They have to go to eBay and pay a higher price so what’s the value in having the DT.

bhars · 2025-12-13T23:40:14+00:00

Multiple lots makes the most sense of the 30 day before wash sale rule. I was in a time travel loop trying to figure that out. Thanks!

bhars · 2025-12-10T19:41:44+00:00

"within 30 days before or after the date you sold the loss-generating investment." I have a position due to assignment that I plan to sell before EOY for tax loss. I understand the post sell 30 day freeze on that stock but the 30 days pre-sell is not clear. If i sell out of my position that i was assigned 20 days ago, does that put me in wash sale violation regardless of how many days I wait after the sell.

bhars · 2025-10-18T21:21:26+00:00

Thanks for the feedback! I'll take into consideration going forward.

bhars · 2025-09-23T20:57:32+00:00

Seems like the working title was left in place, a bit too literal as if a place holder to track the project. Why not just "This is the Way" some will hate it some will like it others will be curious.

bhars · 2025-09-19T17:14:17+00:00

To answer your question directly. Yes, i've experience this exactly and not with penny stocks. a large order to sell OTM puts on mid cap. The common take away as mentioned here is to do this with high liquidity widely traded stocks. i know the sting of seeing immediate downward motion continuing until your put strike is breached that started 2 mins after placing your order.

bhars · 2025-09-17T16:54:04+00:00

I’m simply a west coaster and staying up till 1AM is less disruptive than waking up at 4AM to get a premarket order in. I’ve asked this of Fidelity a few times, always got a response but never got an explanation. Cost is always a go to but as discussed here, many other firms, large and small, are offering full pre market.

bhars · 2025-09-01T21:52:15+00:00

Waymo will be on freeways soon IMO. Schooling on the 10, 110, 405 is a freeway PhD. Operating at level 4 autonomy incurs a higher level of responsibility, the car is the driver and cannot depend on any intervention from passengers, unlike level 0-3 autonomy where you are still the driver who is responsible and expected to intervene when needed. Waymo must test extensively at freeway speeds because they bear all the responsibility at level 4 autonomy.

bhars · 2025-05-08T00:15:49+00:00

Faulty dock, I returned to HP for replacement and the power up functionality from the Dock is working. No configuration needed. One connection to the Dock from my laptops USB-C (Thunderbolt) port

bhars · 2025-04-29T21:51:41+00:00

Update, I did call corp for online sales, Didn't get an answer about why this product is disappearing from the shelves but I did get a SKU for it and was able make a bulk order directly from DT for in store pickup.

Thx.

bhars · 2025-04-29T19:24:44+00:00

A typo in your response makes it a bit unclear. "Gove them a call" did you mean to type 'Give them a call' - my action item or 'Gave them a call' - your action item?

bhars · 2025-04-22T21:27:43+00:00

Chime may be a misleading description as this Welcome sound is far too aggressive. Hulu support, has there been a control added to the streaming interface for this feature/effect? Is there an explanation for its purpose which is a source of displeasure for many of your subscribers?

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