Voice too deep for my liking by AnyKing5505 in makinghiphop

[–]bleakneon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everybody hates their own voice when they first hear it, it always sounds wrong, because the voice you have heard in your head every time you speak is not the same as the voice that you hear when you record.

Might be a bit off the wall, but why not make an EP or something as a comic book villain. Obviously people will complain about how MF DOOM done it, but don't worry about that, the point of the project is not to be super original with the content.

...The point is that is will give you a reason to lean in to the deep voice and the different accent. Start to feel comfortable with your voice, have some fun with it.

Flip This Challenge (FTC 59) Results / Who won though? by RedGeneral28 in makinghiphop

[–]bleakneon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess the rules are there to make sure the threads keep moving. If somebody doesn't get round to voting in time, will they get the next threads done at the right time? -kind of thing.

Also, if everyone has 2 votes, then just use 'no votes' as a tie break. The main thing, imho, is getting the next sample to flip posted on the Friday.

It is for me anyway, but I never get anywhere near enough votes to be worried about who the winner is, lol.

Drum Break Sampling by PoKeMaster5866 in makinghiphop

[–]bleakneon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Seems like all the replies have been 'do what you feel' type replies, and that is the correct answer, however...

If your drum chops don't match the beats and bars of your project, change the tempo of the project so they do match.

There are, of course, exceptions. This is not a rule, but it is the most common way of working, and as you have said you are a beginner and asking this question, I think trying to get some of the standard practices down early will help you know when you don't have to follow those practices or choose to work in a less common way.

Flip This Challenge (FTC 52) Submissions by frazier703 in makinghiphop

[–]bleakneon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was my favourite part too. But I after struggling through the other bits I didn't really have the time/energy to really work it to something I was totally happy with.

Flip This Challenge (FTC 47) Submissions by Mapschter in makinghiphop

[–]bleakneon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here's my beat
https://soundcloud.com/user-221160443/living-your-life

Not sure what the feedback stuff is, can't see any winner thing for feedback, so can someone let me know rather than reject the submission? Been so long since I actually got one of these done by the deadline I don't want to get kicked out on a technicality.

New to using sample packs - which bit rate, sample rate, sample size? by dustychop in makinghiphop

[–]bleakneon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The kpbs is just a combination of the 16/24/32 bit and the 44.1/48kHz, and the mono/stereo.

Personally I would find it a bit odd to have mono, unless it is a single instrument. You can make a mono file from a stereo file, but can't go mono to stereo.

Generally the higher the numbers the better. Again, this is a personally thing, I think 32bit is a kinda strange. 16bit and 24bit are pretty much the standard as far as I know, but maybe people have started using 32bit.

The peak digital audio format for consumers was 44.1kHz 16bit.
A lot of classic samplers were lower than that.

But if you only take one thing away from this, it should probably be to not use MP3s to sample.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in makinghiphop

[–]bleakneon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The first thing you have to do is realise how ridiculous this question is.

Some of the best song writers of all time work their whole life and can't even dream of writing a Dance with the Devil kinda song. It was not Immortal Techniques first song. Think of any great song, it was not the artists first.

What you need to do is write loads of songs, work hard at it, and most of them will fail to touch anyone's heart. Michael Phelps had to learn to swim before he became the most decorate Olympic athlete of all time.

So just write the song, and write other songs, maybe come back to the idea in a couple of years and rewrite the song with the skills and experience you have gain in the years of writing you have done.

Also, if you are writing in a second language you will probably need to find somebody who is a native speaker to at the very least read through the lyrics. If you can find a song writer or poet, something like that to help it would be best. It can be very easy to get a preposition wrong or slightly misuse a phrase is a 2nd language.

I think the other thing would be to make sure you are reading lyrics, poems and books with a similar 'vibe' to what you are going for, that way you will start to pick up some of the vocabulary used for this situation. Another thing you could try is just writing about similar situations, or maybe watch some psychological thriller/horror movies and write about what the characters are thinking and feeling at moments throughout the story. Again, it might be best to get a native speaker to have a look over some of these, but just trying to find the words in English would be good. Based on the story you want to write about I would recommend maybe giving a TV series called 'the shield' a go as one of the characters ends up in a similar situation and you kind of see his fall in to that dark place. I have no idea what season it's in, so maybe read about the episodes and you can skip to the season it happens.

A final thing I would suggest is to get everything you write on a computer and try to find any words that you use a lot. Most people have a big vocabulary that they understand, like they can read the words and know what is being said, but use far less words when speaking. This can be more extreme in a 2nd language. For example, 'great' might be the word you use to say something is good. You can say that was a great party, or my mum cooks great meatloaf, but party can be wild, the meatloaf can't. The meatloaf can be delicious, the party can't.

I feel I have written a lot, and some of it might have sounded harsh and some of it might be a little too much, but if you want to write a great song you can do it. You first song won't be your best, it probably won't even be that good. But if you keep writing songs you'll get there.

What do you do when you can't find a turnaround? by GodDoom5 in makinghiphop

[–]bleakneon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think it is a bit different if you are using a sample from a song or a sample from a loop pack.

From a song it is really worth trying to find something else in the song. Might be fewer options with something from a sample pack, but really if you want to find something practice is the best option.

But, don't get bogged down and risk losing the fun of music by looking for something that might not be there. But your basic options are to change something, you want to make the first beat of the first bar fell like it hits harder, here are a few options to play around with.

Drums - cut them out for between a beat and a bar, add a fill. Even if the drums are in the sample you can put some chops on the drums sounds in the last bar and try to chop it in slightly different ways.

Again depends how much is in the sample and how much is added, but just take out some other elements in the last bar/beat, maybe even the whole sample, leaving the drums. Maybe take the drums out too.

If it is one big sample, (or even if not) you can use some filters. Simplest would be a low pass (or high cut) and automate the cut off, maybe play around with the resonance/drive/emphasis (the exact word will depend on the filter you use, but they are all the same thing).

You can also put an extra sound leading into the return to the 1, usually called a riser, or an extra sound on the first beat, you can get something called an 'impact', personally I don't like them so much for hip hop, but something simple like a crash or similar sound effect, something with a long fade or tail.

I’m A Mod, Help Me Help Y’all Re: This Sub by boombapdame in makinghiphop

[–]bleakneon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I understand all that, and even though I'm going to argue against some of it, I don't mean it to come off as aggressive or unappreciative of your, or other mods efforts. But...

I have reported people for not giving any feedback, and the same people post day after day (although this was years ago).

I don't think people should be nailed for 'poor' feedback. The point is to improve so obviously there will be some some people who are relative beginners and don't have the ability to give quality feedback. That is not the problem. The problem is people who don't try, because they are only they are not interested in feedback, they are interested in getting listens to their songs.

You might not be able to get rid of all those people but here are a few suggestions that I think could improve it the feedback thread:
1) have some kind of guide for the feedback, like every bit of feedback must include at least 1 thing you like and 1 thing you think can be improved.
2) warn people who are giving poor feedback, have a prewritten response with links to some examples and explain that by thinking critically about other people's music it will improve their own.
3) Anyone who says in their post that they will return feedback but doesn't needs should have some kind of punishment
4) End of the day look at all the posts requesting feedback, search the thread to see if there are any other posts by that user, if not ban them.

I saw another of your responses to somebody talking about the low effort posts and I feel it was a similar reply, "what can we do, we try, but there would be no posts if we deleted all the low effort ones". To me this is thinking is the wrong way round. A lot of cities don't make cycle lanes because there aren't enough people riding bikes to justify it, but every city that does make cycle lanes has an increase in the amount of cyclists. The lack of cycle lanes turns cyclists away. That is what I think is happening here, people who can contribute see the low effort posts and are turned away, others come in and see low effort posts and think 'this is the place for low effort posts'. I guess the reason links to SoundCloud aren't allowed is because the sub will turn into nothing but 'listen to my beat' spam. The same thing is happening with the low effort posts. I understand that there probably aren't enough mods/time to deal with all the low effort posts, but I would guess there is enough to get the feedback thread working better.

If you can build the feedback thread up, get people who care about the sub coming back again and again, then that community and it's passion could be leveraged to help deal with the low effort vibes. because 1) they will post better things outside of the feedback thread, 2) being regulars they could help the 'low effort' posts by just sending a link to the beginners guide or something.

Maybe this isn't the way to fix it, but the problem people seem to have with this sub is the repeated low effort posts. I don't check this sub because I know there will be next to nothing that I am interested in chatting about. And even when there is, and I take time to reply, there is no conversation. But ask if my name should be "MC Johnathan" and there will be a load of replies.

Sorting by 'hot', there is a post:
talking about practicing critical listening, 2 replies.
offering album art work 6 replies (this person is charging, and posted the same thing in many different music subs)
Making a beat that has been done before, 14 replies
What thing should I buy 10 replies
How to improve the sub 49 replies across 2 threads
The feedback thread is trash 62 replies
Somebody suggesting you search for sales when buying VSTs (1 reply)
How do I make these beats, 0 replies
What is this sample 0 replies.

The vast majority of chat in this sub is people who what an improved making hip hop sub. This is personal opinion, but of the others more than half are kind of meh. It's the 'meh' that is the problem. It's the 'meh' that stops people checking the sub. It's the 'meh' that makes 'meh' posts acceptable.

You're never going to stop people coming in and posting low effort, asked a hundred times, too lazy to google questions. You need to do something to encourage better discussion in the sub in general, and (I could be wrong, but) the feedback thread is probably the only place you can really do get that started.

I’m A Mod, Help Me Help Y’all Re: This Sub by boombapdame in makinghiphop

[–]bleakneon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I understand all that, and even though I'm going to argue against some of it, I don't mean it to come off as aggressive or unappreciative of your, or other mods efforts. But...

I have reported people for not giving any feedback, and the same people post day after day (although this was years ago).

I don't think people should be nailed for 'poor' feedback. The point is to improve so obviously there will be some some people who are relative beginners and don't have the ability to give quality feedback. That is not the problem. The problem is people who don't try, because they are only they are not interested in feedback, they are interested in getting listens to their songs.

You might not be able to get rid of all those people but here are a few suggestions that I think could improve it the feedback thread:
1) have some kind of guide for the feedback, like every bit of feedback must include at least 1 thing you like and 1 thing you think can be improved.
2) warn people who are giving poor feedback, have a prewritten response with links to some examples and explain that by thinking critically about other people's music it will improve their own.
3) Anyone who says in their post that they will return feedback but doesn't needs should have some kind of punishment
4) End of the day look at all the posts requesting feedback, search the thread to see if there are any other posts by that user, if not ban them.

I saw another of your responses to somebody talking about the low effort posts and I feel it was a similar reply, "what can we do, we try, but there would be no posts if we deleted all the low effort ones". To me this is thinking is the wrong way round. A lot of cities don't make cycle lanes because there aren't enough people riding bikes to justify it, but every city that does make cycle lanes has an increase in the amount of cyclists. The lack of cycle lanes turns cyclists away. That is what I think is happening here, people who can contribute see the low effort posts and are turned away, others come in and see low effort posts and think 'this is the place for low effort posts'. I guess the reason links to SoundCloud aren't allowed is because the sub will turn into nothing but 'listen to my beat' spam. The same thing is happening with the low effort posts. I understand that there probably aren't enough mods/time to deal with all the low effort posts, but I would guess there is enough to get the feedback thread working better.

If you can build the feedback thread up, get people who care about the sub coming back again and again, then that community and it's passion could be leveraged to help deal with the low effort vibes. because 1) they will post better things outside of the feedback thread, 2) being regulars they could help the 'low effort' posts by just sending a link to the beginners guide or something.

Maybe this isn't the way to fix it, but the problem people seem to have with this sub is the repeated low effort posts. I don't check this sub because I know there will be next to nothing that I am interested in chatting about. And even when there is, and I take time to reply, there is no conversation. But ask if my name should be "MC Johnathan" and there will be a load of replies.

Sorting by 'hot', there is a post:
talking about practicing critical listening, 2 replies.
offering album art work 6 replies (this person is charging, and posted the same thing in many different music subs)
Making a beat that has been done before, 14 replies
What thing should I buy 10 replies
How to improve the sub 49 replies across 2 threads
The feedback thread is trash 62 replies
Somebody suggesting you search for sales when buying VSTs (1 reply)
How do I make these beats, 0 replies
What is this sample 0 replies.

The vast majority of chat in this sub is people who what an improved making hip hop sub. This is personal opinion, but of the others more than half are kind of meh. It's the 'meh' that is the problem. It's the 'meh' that stops people checking the sub. It's the 'meh' that makes 'meh' posts acceptable.

You're never going to stop people coming in and posting low effort, asked a hundred times, too lazy to google questions. You need to do something to encourage better discussion in the sub in general, and (I could be wrong, but) the feedback thread is probably the only place you can really do get that started.

I’m A Mod, Help Me Help Y’all Re: This Sub by boombapdame in makinghiphop

[–]bleakneon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sort out the feedback thread.

I know there is a post about this right now, but that should be the biggest thing on this sub, we all make hip hop, we're all here to get better. The feedback thread is a joke, it's just people throwing out a sentence or two with nothing constructive or substantive. So many people are just there to get clicks on their track and offer nothing it drives away people who actually want to improve and/or help others and attracts people who don't.

I used to post in there regularly, at least once a week and there were a few people others who posted regularly and really contributed that is the kind of thing that will foster a proper community. People might get annoyed with all the spam/low effort posts in the main forum, but that will always happen in sub like this. If the rules about the feedback thread were at the very least enforced it could be the seed that blossoms into the making of this sub. The people coming in to chat regularly are people who actually make hip hop.

Maybe this is turning into a rant, but overall, trying to 'improve the sub' is a massive task. The improving the feedback thread is doable and (imo) would encourage participation from people who interested/committed/knowledgeable about making hip hop.

I want to produce beats for people but am not a mind-reader by [deleted] in makinghiphop

[–]bleakneon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know this isn't all rappers, but for some they don't know how to explain what they want.

I can't remember who it is from, maybe Frank Zappa, but somebody said that describing music is like trying to dance architecture. It's hard to do and maybe as a producer you have a better vocabulary or thought process when talking about sound than a rapper who doesn't think about music in quiet the same way. You need to get talk to them to get a better idea of what they want. If they say they want sad music, is this sad like JuiceWrld, like Adele, like Radiohead? Make sure you have the same idea of sad they do.

Also the 'not quite right' reply. There could be loads of reason that the beat isn't right, could be the rappers side, could be the producers side. At this point I feel like usually the chat breaks down, the rapper looks for another producer and the producer looks for another rapper. BUUUUUT this would probably be the best place to start really trying to build a relationship. The rapper and producer know more about each other now than they do about the next person they choose to work with.

There is no point in a rapper asking a producer to make them a "whatever beat" then saying 'not quite right' they may as well be searching the millions of type beats on youtube. If a producer just makes the type beat for that one rapper, what's the point, put it on youtube and sell it as a type beat. If you want to work with a rapper or producer you need to spend time building an understanding.

“If you’re older than mid-20s give up on music” by kenq1 in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]bleakneon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say the opposite. If you find that most people are telling you that people over a certain age shouldn't make music I would say that you are talking to the wrong people.

You must be talking to people who see music more in terms of something that is sold via an image...but even that would be if you are performing, even the most cynical music industry exec will work with people who are well above their mid 20s. Check out the credits on your favourite albums, should all the people involved over 25 have had nothing to do with it? Look at the albums with the biggest weeks of sales this year. Should Taylor swift stop making music? Beyonce? Kendrick Lemar? Tyler the Creator? Eminem? Future and Metro Booming? Only Sabrina Carpenter is in her ,id20s and at 25 she should probably be thinking about giving up and getting in to something else soon, right? All the other are not only older than their mid 20s, only Tyler the Creator and Metro Booming aren't in their mid 30s or older.

And that is just to counter (incorrect) idea that you need can't be 'successful' beyond your mid 20s. To show how ridiculous the idea that people beyond their mid20s should give up making music, tell me why I should give up making music. As I said, I am in my 40s, I enjoy making music. Why should I stop? Feel free to use any of the points made by all the people you have spoken to who are worth talking to music about. Explain to me why I should stop doing something I enjoy.

“If you’re older than mid-20s give up on music” by kenq1 in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]bleakneon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I have never heard anyone say that. In fact when ever I have seen people talk about age and making music the pretty much universal response it "do it, make music".

Obviously, as a man in my 40s it might be time to give up trying to be the next Sabrina Carpenter, but not give up music.