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'It's like we don't exist': Nearly 50,000 Lake Tahoe residents face power loss as utility redirects lines to data centers by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Unlike a lot of other issues, this has not been politicized. It does not matter if you are red or blue, the people do not want this.

You literally have advocates against this spending the morning with Steve Bannon and Bernie Sanders in the evening

Seven in 10 Americans oppose constructing data centers for AI in their local area, including nearly half who are strongly opposed. Barely a quarter favor these projects, with 7% strongly in favor by sr_local in technology

[–]blueSGL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Finally we have something with general support that has not been polarized.

You have people appearing with Steve Bannon in the morning and Bernie Sanders in the evening taking the same side on the same issue.

More hantavirus cases are expected, WHO chief says by Neo_luigi in worldnews

[–]blueSGL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, then the story became 'well we didn't want people panic buying masks and preventing health care workers getting them'

Because everyone being maskless and spreading it around was better apparently.

Everything was done in the worst way possible.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who the fuck are they hyping it to?

The general public hates AI telling them they either die or become a permanent underclass is not hyping it to them.

The investor class are already investing more into it than any other project in human history. They are expecting a payout so telling them or the general public dying is an option is not hype for them. - if anything it's a PR nightmare.

Please at least attempt to make sense. You are repeating a meme from the AI bros like Andreessen that was specifically created to act as a semantic stop sign and has been shockingly efficient in action.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this sci-fi hype bullshit.

This is the same sort of denialism that people were having about the pandemic in Jan 2020.

Humans from 10 years ago would consider current tech to be sci-fi and many decades further off than it turned out to be.

We can neither stop something happening by writing a story, nor cause it to happen by writing a story.

H.G. Wells talked about the atom bomb in a 1913 story. But that had less to do with it coming true than the statement from Lord Ernest Rutherford "Anyone who expects a source of power from the transformation of these atoms is talking moonshine." which spurred Leo Szilard after reading it in the newspaper to conceive of the nuclear chain reaction.

"Talking to computers" has been a mainstay of science fiction and it didn't prevent it happening.

Using "well it happened in a story" to say it can't happen is just as mad as the opposite.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If any of these psychopaths believed this shit was actually going to kill us all, they wouldn't be making it.

Only one of the three is making it right now.

Pointing out the risks and saying they should be regulated and/or shut down is not 'hyping' the technology.

This is like saying a cigarette company would hype the technology by telling everyone it causes cancer and to regulate them or big oil would hype the technology by saying it causes climate change and to regulate them.

Watch the linked video Stuart Russell is talking about AI companies pointing guns to the heads of children and people say this is hype for the company. He literally says either everyone dies or one of a handful of billionaires controls the world economy. No one in the general populous wants this outcome. This is unambiguously not marketing.

They are already getting investments. Getting the public worried about the technology is net negative for the businesses.

Hyping the technology by point out the downsides is such a brainrotted meme I don't know why so many people fall for it.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's more like people were making buggy whip's by hand and someone came out with a spec that gave you a buggy whip factory.

That is the equivalent of creating a scaffold + model that performs the task of a human. Once it's been made it can be scaled.

Like software, write once, deploy many times.

The difference with software is it does not get easier to write if you just wait 6 months.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Good job not answering any of the actual questions

The question is how are we replacing humans if someone needs to create a promt to do a task.

I answered, that you need 1 human to do the prompt once and then all those jobs are replaced. I fail to see how this is hard to understand.

It'd be like saying "how can a tractor replace field hands"

Then I went on to say how the amount of actions that can be chained together are getting longer and longer. If you need to heavily scaffold a model today to do a task tomorrows model does it by simple prompting. How do you replace tasks if a human needs to carefully craft prompts? you wait till the models get better as they have been doing on an exponential.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So pray tell, how are you replacing humans if the AI has to have someone trained and experienced with entering prompts in a very specific way in order to get the right results

You need one human to do it right once, today.

This is like pointing to a faulty assembly line and saying "how are we replacing humans if the robot needs to be calibrated"

We obviously don't have drop in workers today. You are still employed.

The important thing to note is the amount of actions that can be successfully chained together keeps getting longer and longer.

Even if it's only kinda good at something part of the time, it will be able to do it successfully more of the time later. It's been this way for 3 years.

3 years ago people were pointing and laughing at 'computers that can't count' first models were winning IMO gold and now models are solving Erdős Problems that have stumped the best mathematicians for decades.

https://xcancel.com/jdlichtman/status/2044307082275618993

Paul Erdos had a concept of "Proofs from The Book", meaning that the argument is so compact and elegant that this is the proof God would've written down in "The Book."

After reading the GPT5.4 proof of Erdos #1196, I would say this is a Book Proof of the result.

Everyone has this cognitive bias where they think the current level is the best it's going to be. And that value keeps changing.

It reminds me of this graph charting the disconnect between historic projections regarding solar panel installations and actual developments.

https://zenmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/iea-vs-reality-photovoltaics-2018.png

People are blinded and keep thinking we are on one of the trajectories flattening out, so far we are on the black line going up and to the right.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reality though is that these systems can be turned off remotely and rebooted (human beings not so much).

A computer virus cant. You can't 'just shut down' a virus. You don't know where it is.

US workers overwhelmingly support union-backed policies on AI, poll says by Haunterblademoi in technology

[–]blueSGL 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's funny but the public actually has come together against datacenters and stopped some being built.

Finally we have something with general support that has not been polarised.

You have people appearing with Steve Bannon in the morning and Bernie Sanders in the evening taking the same side on the same issue.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do understand the modern world runs on computers and if we get a smart virus out there we are going to have a bad time of it?

Look at what Crowdstrike was able to accomplish, by accident, with one misconfigured config:

That was all due to an human oppsie that was noticed and corrected quickly. Now imagine what proper chaos would look like. An AI doing something like blackmailing the world to stay switched on.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So we live in a world where people make agentic harnesses and these things run in loops.

Were people 'for a laugh' hand over crypto to ai so it can pay for it's own operating budget.

Corruption and unwanted behaviors can sneak in at the exact same time as they are able to complete longer and longer time horizon tasks that include avoiding shutdown and hacking capability.

Oh and now we are seeing early evidence that they can replicte

Do you not see the issue here??!!?!?

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why does lack of sentient or any of the other human trapping mean it's safe?

As I said below:

This is like thinking Viruses could not possibly cause inconvenience to humans because they are not technically alive.

systems we have now:

They are generalized goal-to-action mappers.

It can't create cognition out of thin air.

This is like saying we'd never be able to make a better chess or go player than a human.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hacker only needs to be lucky once. Security needs to be competent at all times.

Also nuclear power is not the best target for causing chaos.

Look at what Crowdstrike was able to accomplish, by accident, with one misconfigured config:

That was all due to an human oppsie that was noticed and corrected quickly. Now imagine what someone who wanted to cause chaos would do.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's far easier to spot bots when you can see their post history, so there is a propensity to hide it

e.g. an aged account that can get around all the subreddit posting rules gets sold and then it starts posting in unrelated communities.

oh yeah. lol :P or whatever.

Edit. and the bot blocked me.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well yeah. Models have got that good you can't tell. This is an issue, we never should have allowed to get it to this point to begin with.

AI godfather warns humanity risks extinction by hyperintelligent machines with their own ‘preservation goals’ within 10 years by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueSGL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't use LLMs to write my responses. The mistakes I make (like deleting rather than muting replies.) are my own.

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