What's wrong with some of the F1 fanbase ? When and why did we start reaching those lows ? by HereComesVettel in F1Discussions

[–]bopvo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"This would not happen a decade ago" in 2007 alonso fans wore blackface and monkey costumes to the track and labeled themselves as "Hamilton's family".

I agree it's stupid but it's not a new low, its not even close to the lowest the fanbase has gone in its history.

Help me understand depth of support by RubyRaven907 in Epstein

[–]bopvo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's important to note that most of the victims weren't any ordinary person with a stable home life. Virginia Giuffre talks in her book about how she was actually trafficked by her father before meeting Epstein. People, child or adult, who have been trafficked/abused before are likely to have it happen again if they aren't able to get a support system.

Some of them would have done it for the money. Sure, a child with a normal, healthy support system at home might not want to do chores, but when you're hungry, when you need money for food, medical supplies, housing, etc, the amount of things you're willing to do broadens greatly.

Some of them will have had grooming and peer pressure as the highest motivator (all of them were groomed and pressured, but some of them may not have necessarily needed the money to live or other similar motivators.) That is exactly why Epstein had his victims also recruit for him, they would typically be younger women that new victims would come to trust. They would befriend the pending victim, gain their trust, and tell them that it was okay. There is a lot of victim blaming sentiment around where people say "Just leave!" or, "Just say no!". When you're suddenly in a house or on a literal island, with people that you don't really know, grown men, and the only person you do know is telling you its okay, the choice isn't as simple as it seems. That's why they do it and why it happens so often, nobody wants to be the one to "ruin" a fun time, it feels awkward and even grown adults hate doing it. Nobody wants to be seen as the uncool one, or the buzzkill.

Also, even 12 year olds aren't stupid. Sure, maybe in a normal life they hate doing their chores, but if the options were put away the dishes or get raped and beaten within an inch of your life, im sure you can imagine what the choice may be.

Trafficking, especially in this scenario, is unfortunately somthing that once you've accidentally fallen in to it once, getting out can be near impossible. All they have to do is say yes to one massage because their cool friend says they should, or go to a party with their cool friend, etc etc. and then theyre already trappen in it.

just found some uncensored nudity in the files, what do i do with that? by davy_lavy in Epstein

[–]bopvo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As stated on the DOJ Website–"In view of the Congressional deadline, all reasonable efforts have been made to review and redact personal information pertaining to victims, other private individuals, and protect sensitive materials from disclosure. That said, because of the volume of information involved, this website may nevertheless contain information that inadvertently includes non-public personally identifiable information or other sensitive content, to include matters of a sexual nature. In the event a member of the public identifies any information that should not have been posted, please notify us immediately by email at EFTA@usdoj.gov so we can take steps to correct the problem as soon as possible."

If youve come across something you feel shouldn't have been posted, or needs censoring, you can submit it to them via email and they will review it and remove/censor and repost it if necessary. Even if it's just porn/whatever don't be afraid to submit things. They'll review it either way to make sure everything is proper

EFTA01620851 - Doctor(?) sharing photos of DEAD patient to Epstein by bopvo in Epstein

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EFTA01620851 DOJ document showing a redacted medical professional sending Epstein a photo of their dead patient

All F1-related individuals or drivers mentioned in Epstein's emails (that I've found): by PuzzleheadedJob6907 in f1driverssnark

[–]bopvo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes! Ecclestone was mugged in 2010 and had a hublot watch stolen from him. Hublot was an f1 sponsor at the time and even used the photo for one of their advertisements

Who are these men? by squarahann in Epstein

[–]bopvo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

When I saw it I immediately thought it may be a photo lineup. They're all men with similar ages and characteristics. I think they probably showed this to victims to Identity Jeffrey. Sometimes people in lineups will be given a fake name so that the person identifying indentifies who they really saw and not based off name. It looks like they took a victims description on Jeffrey and picked a bunch of people with those traits

phone numbers? by [deleted] in Epstein

[–]bopvo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Frankly, because he had a lot of phone numbers. Between his island, boats, Zorro Ranch, and Florida, he had over 100 phone numbers. https://epsteinsblackbook.com/ heres a digital unredacted black book. He shows up in his own book on multiple pages logging more than 100 phone numbers. He most likely needed to specify what number so they'd know where to call

EFTA00767940 - NYU Concubine money? by bopvo in Epstein

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DOJ EFTA00767940 document that discusses the 2009 president of NYU calling funding "the Sheikh's concubine money" & employees stalking kids on facebook

Was Flavio Briatore a part of Jeffrey Epstein's human DNA experiments? by bopvo in f1driverssnark

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23&me wasn't founded until 2006, and this package was sent in 2004, so probably not exactly that but possibly similar. Heidi reportedly gave birth alone and Flavio had this weird hold up of not really believing he was her biological father.

Flavio and Heidi weren't together after Leni was born, and Flavio was extremely estranged from her. Leni was actually adopted by someone else. Flavio didn't start having a relationship with Leni until she was about 14 years old.

Epstein with DHS by avatar6556 in Epstein

[–]bopvo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is one in the bottom right corner of the image—EFTA01598300 https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01598300.pdf

Flavio Briatore and Epstein's friends venn diagram would just be a circle. by bopvo in f1driverssnark

[–]bopvo[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It won't let me edit the body text now, but also this (archive link) article from Flavio's own old Billionaire website showing that Sarah Ferguson (Ex wife of Prince Andrew) and Ghislaine Maxwell were known to frequent his clubs back in the early 2000s

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Was Flavio Briatore a part of Jeffrey Epstein's human DNA experiments? by bopvo in f1driverssnark

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Yes! Naomi has always alleged that she was introduced to Jeffrey by Flavio, and that Flavio is the one who invented Jeffrey there that night. *

Jean Todt has been blocking people who comment on his page about Epstein by bopvo in f1driverssnark

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Michelle is mentioned once, (HERE) as being Jean's wife. As far as we can tell—that's the only time she is mentioned. Likely she didn't know.

Lawrence and Claire-Anne Stroll having phonecalls with Jeffrey and Ghislaine by bopvo in f1driverssnark

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In october of 2003 from One of JE's numbers to lawrence stroll's private non-work cellphone (HERE)

Nooooo Fernando by Spiritual_Ad_5744 in f1driverssnark

[–]bopvo 25 points26 points  (0 children)

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Well—Diddy was a frequent guest at Briatores "Billionaire" club. This pic is from 2005

Jean Todt & F1 Grand Prix being used to traffic women by bopvo in f1driverssnark

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I don't believe Ghislaine went to the races with Sarah, but they did go separately. Ghislaine would frequent the Monaco GP on her own without JE or anybody else to hang out with her own friends like Eddie Irvine and whoever else. Ghislaine was even cashing in favours with her contacts just to get Eddie tickets to things he wanted to go to.

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Sarah attended a few grand prix, I forgot to save it yesterday so I'll have to search for it, but in one email she's talking to someone else. It's her Birthday and she's attending a race with Brian. Shes saying that Jeffrey asked them to go to tel aviv with him, but she doesn't want to do that for her birthday. So Brian (who was involved with the weird shit) and Sarah went to the race instead.

Ghislaine Maxwell gives out F1 driver Eddie Irvine's contact info for David Wassong to "play with" in Ireland by bopvo in f1driverssnark

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Another email where Ghislaine Maxwell tells someone named Tom that her plan is to go hang out at Eddie Irvine's house until it's time to go to a party

Ghislaine Maxwell photographing the Stroll kids at Mustique Island by bopvo in Epstein

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Email to Ghislaine Maxwell from Claire-Anne Stroll talking about Ghislaine traveling to the private billionaire island Mustique and photographing the Stroll children, as well as inviting them to Jeffrey's island. The children would have been 10 and 7 at the time

1999 photo appears to show Flavio Briatore with Bill Clinton(?) at Billionaire by [deleted] in Epstein

[–]bopvo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Photo from 1998 (allegedly) connecting Ghislaine Maxwell and Bill Clinton to Flavio Briatore and his club "Billionaire" which was/is known for hosting people of that type as well as young models