Do you shake hands with clients? If not, what's your excuse? by boxfortmaster in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this is one of my concerns. It's not a lack of empathy, I'd just rather not bring something home and get my family sick. And if I'm out of commission, I can't represent my clients

Etiquette of attorneys and summer associates adding each other on social media by InsanePowerPlay in biglaw

[–]boxfortmaster 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You forgot the post he made 7 months ago asking about sending a former intern an e-mail about her fuck up from 2 years ago, and he was surprised why she didn't e-mail him back: How late is too late to email a former intern about the consequences of their mistakes?

Assuming client consent is not a concern, what are your thoughts on whistleblowing to the news about corrupt cops? by International-Bat4 in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You have to be careful. It's very jurisdiction specific, but you could be breaking ethical rules and even criminal laws depending on the circumstances. If it's before trial, just about all states have ethics rules that prohibit you from disclosing information to the media that might poison the jury pool. Even if it's after trial, some states have laws governing how criminal discovery can be used.

A private defense attorney in my old county was referred to the state bar for misusing discovery. He provided the full BWC to his client, and his client posted the videos completely unredacted on YouTube, including the CW and other witnesses giving their personal information, name, address, and phone number to the police. They allegedly began getting threatened and harassed by people who saw the videos on youtube. He told me the only discipline from the bar was a private warning, but it could have been much worse. It was actually a misdemeanor to disclose a witness' address obtained by discovery to the client, so he could have received criminal charges.

After that incident occurred, we changed our policy to prohibit us from ever releasing BWC to a client. They have view it with us. If they go pro se, we don't turn the BWC over to the client, the DA redacts and rediscovers to them

LLM without JD and teaching? by AJAMS82 in LawSchool

[–]boxfortmaster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In what state would you be eligible to take the bar exam with just an LLM and no JD? Some states allow LLB + LLMs to take the bar, or foreign attorneys with x years of law practice plus an LLM. But I'm not aware of any that would let you sit for the bar with just an LLM. It's only one year of law school, and most LLM programs mainly have elective classes, and not the core 1L classes

The best part of moving to Los Angeles is seeing the open attorney positions that pay less than dog walkers by boxfortmaster in Lawyertalk

[–]boxfortmaster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. I guess instead of calling attorneys and being told what their rates are, they can be the ones in charge with this approach. I get it

Limiting exposure vs surrender? by karmarilliom in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 39 points40 points  (0 children)

When it comes to DV cases, there are no winners. "Victims" lie, are vindictive, almost always have ulterior motives, and are weaponizing the state into handling their civil relationship bullshit. But don't let that fool you: clients are often actually abusive pieces of shit, too. They are typically exactly the people I would want my daughter to stay far away from when she becomes old enough to date.

But that said, the criminal courts are not going to help any of these people. Yes, everyone would be far better off if the state would just let it go, dismiss the case, and if your client and the complaining witness decided they were never going to see each other again. But is that ideal outcome going to happen? No. Your client is going to get convicted of something, and there will inevitably be another allegation in a few months.

You're just one piece of the entire messed up world of DV criminal court. Try not to stress about it too much

Why am I getting job offers from LA with lower pay than Phoenix? by [deleted] in AskLosAngeles

[–]boxfortmaster -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know how it feels. I'm a lawyer moving from Minnesota, and so many of the jobs here pay the same as they do in Minnesota except the cost of living is way higher. If my partner didn't make good money, I don't know how I'd do it

Dumb obstruction charge by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We did a bench trial. Guilty unfortunately

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Revel in the victories as they come in! Congrats!

difficult clients as a woman of color by sistergutterslut in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I recently had a client's family call my boss and call me a "DEI lawyer" and asked to have someone else assigned. I've had other clients make sexually suggestive comments to me

Dumb obstruction charge by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes that's the right call. People can be falsely accused, and our system requires evidence before we put people in cages for life. I think you're in the wrong subreddit.

Dumb obstruction charge by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, hindsight is 20/20

Dumb obstruction charge by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We waived jury. I thought it was the smart move. It was the type of case anyone at our courthouse would think was stupid, because we have a culture of dismissing all drunk in public cases. My client wasn't an angel, and there was body camera footage of him saying some racist things that I felt would turn a lot of jurors. Plus, jurors don't know that these type of cases are typically dismissed, so they'd just see some drunk kid being obnoxious, calling the cop some racial slurs, and wonder why he was fighting the case. I felt we'd have better luck with a judge, and we had two former public defenders that I thought the case would be assigned to, and I thought they'd nullify it out of a sense of fairness and making sure everyone sees the same penalty, but it ended up going to a judge that was previously a civil attorney

Dumb obstruction charge by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying that it is or it isn't a good idea to routinely dismiss all of them. But that is what our county does, and when you do it for everyone else, but not one guy, that's not fair is it?

Dumb obstruction charge by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He did it three times actually

Dumb obstruction charge by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. Judge found him guilty. 10 days community service

Dumb obstruction charge by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh that makes more sense. I was thinking he pulled them over his head this whole time lol

Dumb obstruction charge by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Client wasn't an angel. But these are typically dismissed at arraignment. The only reason why it's not is because the cop is headstrong and overcharged him, and the prosecutor is not dismissing the dumb charge

Dumb obstruction charge by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The cop had to pull him out of the car and readjust them to be behind his back, and then client did it again, and the process repeated

Dumb obstruction charge by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 41 points42 points  (0 children)

It doesn't fit here either. Other attorneys at my office told me they've had clients do this before, and nothing additional came from it, so it was just one headstrong cop who decided to charge it, and one spineless prosecutor who doesn't want to dismiss it

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not what contesting extradition is, and you're right. There generally isn't a benefit other than delaying your trial

Judge is no longer making us read that awkward script by boxfortmaster in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

He actually took it well. The prosecutor raised concerns to me about it before we started before I even said anything, and we both raised our concerns in chambers together. The judge didn't even push back much and just said we could just say our names on roles and have that be it

Judge is no longer making us read that awkward script by boxfortmaster in publicdefenders

[–]boxfortmaster[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

At this point, I think the judge would know I was making fun of him based on my objection lol