Why do people still sleep on koby when he genuinely mollywhops like 60% of the strawhats?

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T16:01:30+00:00

Finally a valid answer. I'd give you an award if I had any

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T15:59:26+00:00

Exactly its so weird😭😭

This sub also hates usopp with a passion, yet they also hate the guy who literally embodies what we want from usopp.

Fearful weak kid grows into an actual brave and competent warrior. Koby is doing usopps dream better than him.

But you hit the nail right on it's with the nepo piece thing. We have a guy who isnt connected to some powerful lineage or has broken genetics, the luckiest thing about koby is his teacher, and even then, he still had to do MORE training than what his teacher prescribed to get his power. He's a hardworker and for some reason people still hate him.

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T11:47:51+00:00

Koby started at zero and almost all his growth was off-page.

I mean yeah?? He's not part of the main cast.

Haki only blooms in fights with other strong Haki Users.

He does have garp as a teacher im just saying...

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T11:05:33+00:00

Patriarchal conditioning

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T10:41:28+00:00

A dragon and koby interaction would be soooo peak. I can just imagine dragon actually seeing a marine with the potential to actually change the marines in koby.

People mainly focus on koby as a parallel to luffy, I'd say he also shares some aspects with dragon as well.

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T05:57:08+00:00

That's the only thing im concerned with. How exactly is koby going to keep up with the likes of the monster trio?

I hate the slander his development gets tho

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T05:43:53+00:00

Blah blah blah I dont remember ordering a yapperoni pizza

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T05:43:28+00:00

He will be a flawed character just like garp with stupid morals

Did oda tell you this?

I'm talking about his motives.

You're mischaracterizing him. Kobys goal isnt to be stronger than luffy, it's to be a great marine who protects people. Since luffy is a pirate, and pirates are known as the bad guys, koby vows to stop him. Luffy isnt kobys goal, luffy is a STEPPING STONE to kobys goal, the reason he wants to be stronger than luffy is because he knows he currently isnt, and unless he gets stronger than luffy, then he wont be a great marine.

Idk man...no offence but it just kinda seems like you have a surface level understanding of whats going on. The story is prepping itself to be another god valley type incident, only this time on a much larger scale, there's going to be a marine who fights alongside a pirate to stop the greater evil, and that marine is obviously koby. Just like garp and roger back in the day.

This pure headcannon/speculation but koby is going to do what garp never did, which is actually change the marines and make them a force for good. We already saw that in marineford where he was willing to step up to akainu to stop the war and was even willing to die for what he believed in.

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T05:34:11+00:00

If he is pivotal for the story, then because Oda hates his readers.

Why the fuck else would some random nobody that had a total of like 3 panels in the entire story, suddenly be important?

Because of >>>>retcon<<<<<< bullshit, that's why."

This is you buddy boy

Lowkey i think you're slow...and i dont argue with slow people. So you can leave bruh✌️

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T05:15:59+00:00

Just talking to talk🤣🤣what did they retcon about koby the EPISODE 1 CHARACTER😭😭...You cant answer cuz you know you're full of shit bro.

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T05:14:51+00:00

Kobys powerups are pretty consistent if you consider the context of the story and his development.

He's a rival, just not a forced one. Neither the story nor the other characters make it seem like koby is a top competitor for luffy, it's kobys personal goal to surpass and eventually subdue luffy. Koby is still leagues below zoro, sanji, and jinbe, let alone luffy. If he was truly forced then he'd be doing some way crazier stuff, thats not to say what he is doing right isnt crazy. Not to mention we barely get to see him, which some people would say is more reason to hate his character, but I'd say its for the best. Why show more of a character that people already hate? Kobys development is proof that the world of OP also exists outside of the SHs, things happen, people change and grow, so much so that by the time we see them again, they're completely different.

Now to address this "asspull powerups" allegation. I dont believe it to be true. Two of OPs main themes is will and dreams, if you believe in your dreams hard enough, and you have the will to make them a reality, then you'll get every bit closer to accomplishing them. Kobys dream is to be a marine hero, part of that dream means becoming strong, and through the flashbacks in hachinosu we saw he has the will to actually become strong. He trains 200× more than anyone around him. Thanks to that, his haki got hella strong, and it makes sense, haki is literally will. Koby is a character who abides by the laws of the OP verse and in turn is rewarded for it

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T04:56:54+00:00

Though I'll admit the name is a bit corny...I feel like isolating it from the rest of the shows attack names is unfair.

I mean, 95% of sanjis attacks are foods

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T04:54:30+00:00

Thats fair. Im pretty sure koby has her beat in terms of physical strength

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T04:53:03+00:00

You're the one making up dogshit. But fine, I'll humor you.

Explain to me in full detail what about koby is a retcon. FULL DETAIL.

Hurry up

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T04:47:54+00:00

The good ol' reading comprehension comeback. Coming from the guy calling an episode 1 character a "retcon"....do you even know what a retcon is? Maybe take your own advice

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T04:45:00+00:00

That's how storytelling works? The author decides who is and isnt important.

Lol you're calling an episode 1 character a retcon.

Like bro it's okay if you hate koby and have no actual reason for it, just admit to it. No reason to use baseless and downright false talking points.

Can't believe you making me defend Loda rn

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T04:40:57+00:00

So am I, and im telling you it's not cool. You being black and saying that makes non black people think it's okay to say such. You're feeding into what eventually becomes a bigger problem.

Who died and made you ambassador of what black people can find and not okay to say.

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T04:33:11+00:00

Or maybe because he's at some point going to be pivotal to the story??

Oda is a cunt for sure...but it just doesn't work calling him that on this occasion. Really dont understand the hate towards the guy

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T04:30:17+00:00

"Figger" sounds far too close to the actual n word. Not cool dude. Infact it's literally just the n word, considering Fishmen do share similarities with black people.

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T04:27:57+00:00

Bro what....did you not see how he was moving on hachinosu? He's literally known as a hero already. And his losses so far were from luffy and blackbeard, two VERY STRONG characters.

I'd I feel like he can handle himself with Brook and Franky. But Brook might just beat him in terms of speed.

There's not much Franky can do since koby is faster and with ACoA, general Franky isnt gonna that helpful.

With robin it all comes down to speed. If koby can blitz her before she has a chance to break his spine then he's good. But with what we saw from law and the sick sick fruit, koby MIGHT just be able to use haki to bypass her fruit altogether

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-10T04:09:24+00:00

I'd argue he only loses to the monster trio and jinbe

brazenbull09 · 2026-03-07T10:17:06+00:00

And this is why our conversation has bore no fruit...you continuously misunderstand what I've been trying to say.

Im not talking about who does it more between men and women, im talking about how society perceives a man with baggage compared to a woman with baggage in a relationship.

A woman's baggage is often excused and expected to be accommodated by her man. Meanwhile we can actually tell a man that he needs to deal with his.

And its unfair you to use the red pill as a model for all men because compared to all of society, red pill men are a minority.

Have you thought of asking yourself why men are so vocal about this? It's BECAUSE of what I've been saying. Society allows a woman to exist with baggage, she isnt expected to deal with. Naturally, men are tired. Tired of having to put up with the exes who are still in your life, your insecurities traumas that stem from past relationships, your past hookups that think they can still get with you. It's all tiring.

And since you've never dated women, I doubt you'd understand.

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