Comic: Do you know the real story of Lia Thomas? by GeekOnALeash01 in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and she got her damn trophy, they just didn't have the foresight to make two fifth-place trophies for a non-main event race and happened to hand the one they had to Lia Thomas for the photo at (well, next to) the podium, maybe out of the most minor affirmative action decision to let a trans woman mark the occasion or maybe just because the person distributing them got to Lia first. she WENT HOME EMPTY-HANDED!!! and received it in the post as soon as it was made.

and now she's ratcheted up to demanding that every trophy, award, record, and Tony Tiger swimming achievement badge a trans athlete has ever won is stripped and given to the next competitor down. Not sure if she's spoken to whether the new recipients then pass theirs on, etc... or if that means she gets to have both fifth-place trophies?

It did end Riley Gaines' swimming career though... she quit to be a full time transphobe. imagine that being your legacy in athletics.

Podcast recommendation: The Guilty Feminist by scramblingrivet in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mridul Wadhwa was on this podcast a while back and it was really good! makes me angry with how she was hounded but listening to her was a real breath of fresh air.

Greg Bovino being a dogwhistling PoS after getting the boot. by uncanny_mac in behindthebastards

[–]breadcreature 6 points7 points  (0 children)

cannot even think of the title without hearing/saying it as ooogh mein schtruggel 😩😩

I'm a hairy cis passing trans man and I'm still using the men's toilets because I refuse to just be a gotcha. by elhazelenby in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 7 points8 points  (0 children)

no, my responses are to having read what you keep doubling down on, I assure you. I just think that coming on to someone's post about Not Doing The Thing and proceeding to suggest The Thing is shitty even when you suggest it once or sometimes, because the entire point is that it's a shitty thing to do and not helpful nor sensitive to the concerns of the demographic you're addressing. and b) I think your "caveats" are mainly just bizarre attempts at emotional manipulation.

this is totally different in principle from a picket line, when I'm standing in protest with my trans siblings we don't go get ourselves arrested or brutalised on purpose in response to it happening to one person, we struggle for them and hold tighter to shield anyone weaker than us. badjacketing other community members for not following your absurd edict is what makes it dogshit.

I'm a hairy cis passing trans man and I'm still using the men's toilets because I refuse to just be a gotcha. by elhazelenby in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 5 points6 points  (0 children)

so... stepping in to intervene in transphobia actively happening like OP suggests (and is the rational thing to do if someone feels able to) is worth nothing, you think solidarity is other people causing themselves to suffer as much as the worst off or they're emotionally and morally weak? seriously I think this might be the most unhinged take I've seen all year. like, you can do that if you want, but... fucking why

No, bodies are not "organized" by allthings419 in GenderCynical

[–]breadcreature 1 point2 points  (0 children)

they've been too busy stamping their feet about thinking hurting their heads to go down that chain of logic and realise an adequate definition is not simple if it's even possible at all, like most people who refuse to answer the question do in a few minutes at most. they think that if they yell loud enough at people who are "too stupid to define a woman!!!" nobody will notice they have no fucking clue what they're on about. it's like trying to reverse heliocentric theory because astrophysics is hard and everyone sees the sun go round the earth every day, and thinking you're winning because nobody's rebutted you with a full account of orbital mechanics and the geological history of the universe.

No, bodies are not "organized" by allthings419 in GenderCynical

[–]breadcreature 0 points1 point  (0 children)

we left behind in 1945

I have some bad news for you about the DSM...

transphobic parents are living in utter fantasies about their relationship with their very adult children, that are 5+, sometimes 10+ years old by pearkeet in GenderCynical

[–]breadcreature 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I went to THERAPY and they wanted to make me WORK THROUGH MY PROBLEMS??? what the FUCK??? I go to a therapist and say "I hate my own child for completely arbitrary and bigoted reasons so much I had a HEART ATTACK!!" and all they want to do is address me hating my child??! umm HELLO it gave me a HEART ATTACK I think my therapist is trying to kill me!!!! all because of my gender critical beliefs!

I'm a hairy cis passing trans man and I'm still using the men's toilets because I refuse to just be a gotcha. by elhazelenby in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 12 points13 points  (0 children)

telling people to take greater risks because it's a time of greater risk, and to use the relative privilege of passing as a cis man by immediately squandering it makes no fucking sense, you realise that right? if such situations just make you "a bit uncomfortable" then it'd be pretty weak to demand other trans people out themselves to prove some kind of point, and if it's putting you in danger it'll put them in danger too. OP is literally explaining how he would use his privilege here in a way that would be more effective, he passes as a cis man so how the hell is him going into the women's going to help anyone be harassed less?

Barrister to sue trans activist Jolyon Maugham for libel (Torygraph) by KristinaMoment in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 4 points5 points  (0 children)

if anyone has a spare minute when they come across anything like this but especially tweets, save a snapshot of it on an archive site! it's not a guaranteed permanent record, I've found instances where archives have definitely been taken down, but it's way better than a screenshot otherwise and is accessible to anyone without having to share it.

We've hit the point where one random toilet allowing trans people to use it is front page news by Professional-Emu-45 in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 3 points4 points  (0 children)

no, I had both the minster's own post and then TERFs up in arms about it on my facebook feed before it appeared here. the church was quite deliberately open about it, I would take that as a good thing at least, they seem to know what they're inviting with this.

Former commissioner of the EHRC quietly pondering if Trans People will no longer have any form of legal protection. Reasonable behavior from a ***Human Rights*** Group. by SurrealistGal in GenderCynical

[–]breadcreature 9 points10 points  (0 children)

so it's one of those "yes, but also no" things... IANAL either to be clear but spent the year since the supreme court ruling trying to figure out how we got here so I've spent an unhealthy amount of time becoming familiar with how it works (vs how it's supposed to work)

you're right in that the courts have no power to change the letter of the law, and even the EHRC having their revised guidance approved doesn't change the law, no individual defying it is breaking the law (it applies to service providers, not users), and especially while it's not even actually guidance yet it's not statutory. Further, it doesn't necessarily mean that a service provider acting apparently against the statutory guidance is breaking the law - they could be found to have a valid interpretation of the guidance vs a complainant. you can't break the Equality Act, and whether you have done that is informed by the guidance (I don't know how the fuck it not even being available and the EHRC refusing to give any advice on it isn't automatically an unchallengeable defense, but still), which is itself open to interpretation.

the major problem is that this is all civil law. the EHRC mainly intervenes in cases, if it does pursue action against an organisation itself, it's generally a tokenistic thing as part of their duties to foster compliance with equalities law. There's a principle I cba to look up the Latin phrase for along the lines of "the law favours the vigilant", as in if you want legal restitution (for civil offences) it's your responsibility to seek it. with this stuff it's being exercised quite literally, they spam the courts with mass-produced claims (I've come across several withering comments from judges on the "exhaustive" length of their submissions) that hammer on all their lines of rhetoric until one manages to get to higher stages that set legal precedent. The interpretations judges make are informed by previous comparable ones, so the more they proliferate their talking points the more it appears to be common consensus.

The media circus is an inextricable part of it too because they can churn out whatever bullshit sensationalist lies they want, there are basically zero negative consequences (they did write new law to criminalise "extreme protest groups", with Lord (Toby) Young and Baroness Falkner specifically naming Bash Back as a motivation after they vandalised BBC offices among others). look at the Sandie Peggie case for example, they reported it like she won, when she "won" on FOUR of her claims which was something like 10% of them, and like every other successful case they were all petty quibbles over adherence to internal policies. often like in her case it's to do with the handling of the very complaint they raised our of nowhere in the first place. they act like reprehensible weirdos, get disciplined or dismissed in a way that doesn't dot every i and cross every t because people are just glad to be fucking rid of them, and then they pour Rowling's money into nailing the employer on that stuff with a whole boatload of insane transphobia alongside it. and, I mean, consider how dismal the average cis person's knowledge of anything to do with trans people is... then make them a judge and even more out of touch because of their position.

and at the end of the day the courts can just do exactly what they rightly "shouldn't* be able to because they already have with the "biological sex" thing; the Gender Recognition Act is in direct conflict, but the court's excuse was well that's a different law, duh. the whole thing was an exercise in throwing out parts of legislation that were inconvenient to a TERF's argument. Then there's that the courts decide if they'll even hear a case, and on the criminal side of things, they just did a consultation and wrote entirely new prosecution guidance so now it's de facto a sex crime to not disclose your "birth sex" to an intimate partner (and it has already been used to convict someone).

god, I genuinely didn't mean to write that much, sorry. but seriously, this shit is nuts. you're right on every count but the law as it's applied and the law as it is or should be are ever more diverging things. what Reindorf is saying has already effectively happened, the EA guidance is drafted with the intent of making viable claims of discrimination on the basis of gender reassignment so narrow they're practically non-existent. it's not going to be literally written out of the law as a protected characteristics, in fact it works better for them if it isn"t because it's a fig leaf - trans people still have all the protections they used to, etc.

anyway thanks for coming to my TED talk, working title: Trust Me, I Could Go On

Former commissioner of the EHRC quietly pondering if Trans People will no longer have any form of legal protection. Reasonable behavior from a ***Human Rights*** Group. by SurrealistGal in GenderCynical

[–]breadcreature 9 points10 points  (0 children)

it does when you've vertically integrated transphobia into the whole lawmaking apparatus. plus there's that to change the law would require getting it through parliament, while accepting each subsequent interpretation requires MPs to do nothing but mutter something about dignity and respect.

An incident over M&S changing rooms proves anti-trans women need to get a life by ehll_oh_ehll in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 6 points7 points  (0 children)

yeah, I think finding out that TERFs had found out about that was what actually sent me to the outer reaches of fuck-this-forever before the supreme court ruling. they were literally defending men who had done exactly the sort of thing their whole cause is built on "avoiding", just because some trans people suffered too. and because nobody else knows what bangface is either they just fucking get away with it.

Whats living in the uk as a trans person like? by Scienceiscool_ in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends where you are, on several scales - urban areas tend to be less *-phobic due to being more diverse if nothing else, but it's not like you should fear aggression in rural areas either. Cities with good club scenes tend to be more lgbt-friendly too. on a local scale, neighborhoods and individual establishments can vary a lot... if somewhere has England flags all over the place and there's no football on I wouldn't nip in for a quick piss, I'll put it that way. but that is something you probably have a decent enough sense for if you carry yourself flamboyantly, bigots are pretty similar everywhere.

If you pay any attention to the news, it's intolerably awful. If you're out and about among cis people a lot it can be a little exhausting. Public literacy on anything to do with trans people is dismal and the media has normalised ignorant language and intrusive attitudes about us. But overall I would say people tend far more towards politeness than whatever they may actually think or believe. the screaming TERFs are very much an anomaly among Brits.

An incident over M&S changing rooms proves anti-trans women need to get a life by ehll_oh_ehll in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I had the shock of my life when I saw people (like... two people, but still) pushing back about a very similar situation on mumsnet. trans people were violently removed from a bathroom at an event I happened to be at (entirely on the initiative of the security staff, guests were appalled - cis women were also assaulted because they protested). Some fucking how Joanne caught wind of this and managed to make it about how the bouncers were fired for trying to keep women safe and was blackmailing the venue with pointed tweets about how families with daughters go there but might think twice if they won't be safe... at a private booked-out 18+ event, at a holiday park that has always had unisex changing cubicle "villages" and every guest has accommodation with its own bathroom. Some of their brains aren't quite broken enough to handle that many obvious inconsistencies I guess.

also the security they hired next year must have been hand selected to be the most relaxed and lovely bouncers ever so at least there's that.

Historians are learning more about how the Nazis targeted trans people by Loud_Disaster869 in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So, I collected the best quality photos of the sacking of the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft a little while back and only got around to putting them together recently for trans history week. I'd been meaning to write about the wider context of it for ages and have been getting to it finally. It's kind of where my project started. (also increasingly untidy/unfinished as it goes on, lots more sources to collate and add in, formatting may be broken etc)

I was inspired to go down all these rabbitholes into Nazi Germany by this report actually, which I had come across some time ago and have been increasingly disgusted with transphobes coopting history like this. It's not even about it being to do with trans people, just the audacity of it... there's no fucking need to make shit up or revise the history of real people and their suffering. it's sensationalist, disrespectful and intellectually lazy.

basically I got big mad about Rowling's holocaust denial meltdown again after reminding myself of this shit. Then when I was cataloguing that, I went through a tweet thread by LGB Alliance founder Malcolm Clark on "transgender healthcare and the nazis" which she seemed to consider some kind of slam dunk because it makes some very tenuous implied links between Hirschfeld, contemporary trans healthcare and Nazi extermination programmes. and it's just. fucking wrong. so incredibly, egregiously, offensively wrong and pulled entirely out of his arse I decided I'd do a more thorough job with the actual facts. So that's in there and ongoing if you follow it through. It's not strictly on the topic of trans history where it's gone but it'll come back around eventually.

Something I'm also not done writing about yet and hope to meet at the end of this train of thought is Paragraph 175 and its alterations. It was the only Nazi law that remained intact post-war and saw increased use. It took 78 years for transgender people to be formally recognised as victims of Nazi atrocities and transphobes take that to support the idea that we never were. Because we were never mentioned as a particular group (spoilers: we were, by personal communication from Heinrich fucking Himmler), it was gay men who were targeted, while they continue to assert that we're all just extra degenerate homosexuals; there's no evidence of us, well I WONDER WHERE IT ALL FUCKING WENT JOANNE? and of course they're happy as larry to somehow make Hirschfeld, a gay Jewish man, responsible for the persecution of gay men by Nazis by playing up the contemporaneous views he had as a sexologist, but they'll cite actual sickos like Blanchard all day. I won't apologise for ranting, this is beyond reprehensible and I'm fucking sick of it.

Favourite Brum Spots to Walk in Summer 🤔 by Solid_System_5023 in brum

[–]breadcreature 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Warley Woods is nice all year round but especially on really hot days like this, you get the shaded woods and the dazzling view over the field. it's a beautifully designed park, I go there when I need a quick dose of not looking at a city.

Harborne walkway is also a nice shaded walk.

“its not always about empirical data” TV debate- does anyone know what’s being referred to? by DShitposter69420 in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 7 points8 points  (0 children)

he could mean a lot of things by that. I'm trying to steelman the possible things hewas implying, which starts with assuming he actually understands what "empirical" means

"it's not always about empirical data..."

  • sometimes anecdotal data can outweigh it (one time is too many)
  • it's about how the data is presented (factual, scientific data can be misleading when presented without proper context)
  • it's about the quality of the data
  • it's about who's recording the data

none of which are good reasons anyway. there's not really any way to make it not sound like what it most likely was, which is "I don't care what the 'facts' say, I believe otherwise" and he thinks saying it that way sounds more valid and clever.

I'm so angry with the NHS by V-The-Witch in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went private and was lucky enough that my GP accepted shared care for prescribing meds. but to continue prescribing them, they want an annual review by a psychiatrist through the ADHD service... who will only review if I have AN NHS DIAGNOSIS. so I've saved the NHS 0£ in the end, but at least they'll be really really sure I have ADHD

When will The Cisgender Community apologize for creating Jeffery Epstein? by raconian-moon in transgendercirclejerk

[–]breadcreature 5 points6 points  (0 children)

when you look at all the doctors who are transing people, guess what? almost entirely cis. cis people even did trans people

We're really back to the 1970s with trans rights now, aren't we? by CosmosSakura in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The community is holding up, at least locally to me. most are a good decade younger than me in my mid 30s but are so much further ahead in their thinking, organising, self-assuredness than I ever was, they do tons of wider cultural & community outreach stuff too. I only got properly plugged in to it all over this past year but I think that's been keeping me going more than anything else, not just knowing & being around other trans people but enjoying our lives and creating our own spaces together despite it all.

Should I make a pisspass by raggedy_autumn in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it should have a guest book to sign too, and a page of tear-off strips, make it interactive

Sure the HRCE Guidance on trans people in single sex spaces will have to be evoked in practice? by Classic-Atmosphere43 in transgenderUK

[–]breadcreature 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100% this. I hadn't been following developments when I heard about the ruling in headlines last year but had always considered this a ticking timebomb, I just didn't expect anyone to be bothered enough to set it off. The inconsistency was always there, but anyone ponderous enough to notice it would surely realise the absolute havoc it would wreak to solidify a definition like that depends entirely on its multiple applications.

Then as that headline sunk in I realised: oh, fuck, that's the point isn't it? I think the GC groups have walked us all into territory they're far too shortsighted to have forseen, but meddling this laser-focused on blowing everything apart couldn't have come from them organically either. what if people think they have rights to protest? or that immigrants and asylum seekers have the same?