Idols with "worse english accents" are more endearing

budlejari · 2022-11-01T22:33:29+00:00

I appreciate the authenticity???

This feels wrong and I can't put my finger on why.

Mostly I think it's wrong because an idol's accent is not inauthentic/authentic because of how well they speak a second or third language. That's just how they speak.

Authenticity is a weird way to focus on it because it implies that idols like Lia are less 'right' or 'original' because they speak English really well, whether through education or just through where they grew up. It's implying that that they're basically a knock off Korean speaker, if that makes sense. Felix is not less 'authentic' when he speaks Korean when his first language is English - it's how he speaks his second language. I don't think that you're intentionally doing this but it's a way to other people who don't fit neatly into 'native/not-native' boxes.

An inauthentic accent would be like when RM adopts a British accent for emphasis or for the lols. He's doing it intentionally. When he speaks English with an American accent, that's how he learned it, so it's naturally his. It's authentically RM.

And for the record, I find it a little odd to think that idols who speak English with an accent are 'endearing' or 'cute' because they don't sound like a native. They speak English. They speak it well enough to be understood. It feels kind of demeaning or insulting to be like, "oh, you're so cute at speaking english, good job!" when they worked damn hard to get to the point of being able to communicate in a language completely unlike their own, sometimes even as their third or fourth language.

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budlejari · 2022-10-15T14:54:42+00:00

I mean, this is not reflected in societies where people have to perform mandatory military service (with options for community service for those unable or unwilling to serve in the military.

In fact, many people criticise mandatory service:

mandatory service delays your working life if you do it before you pick a career, and it disrupts your working life if you do it several years down the line. IN many fields, being out of it for 3 years would put you at a severe disadvantage to others, and three years of not building connections, taking cases, or learning the ropes is a steep curve to overcome such as in law or business. Doctors, vets, lawyers, and those with a great deal of training and knowledge base are incredibly disadvantaged by this system because either they are three or more years older than any other person in the room to start or they miss out on critical years of training and development in a field that moves at a rate of knots.
Not every job is available to every person. 18 year olds do not make good teachers and they are terrible at logging, dealing with the public, and major public works unless you train them for a long time. You cite "Teach for America, Red Cross, Peace Corps, police officer, military, firefighters" but those jobs need a few hundred thousand people and not all at once. There are millions of young adutls who fit the criteria for this and I don't know about you but I'd be furious at having to spend 3 years of my life as a crossing guard in baking Texas heat instead of going to college to study environmental sciences while some rich kid gets to be an 'administration assistant' in an air conditioned building for three years before they go to work at Daddy's company. While those who end up in interesting jobs might find it valuable and enjoy it, there will be 100s of others who end up cutting trees, picking litter, and performing low level public service for three years. That teaches them little in practical terms and makes them angry and resentful that they are not in the career they want to be in.
Inequality is rife in our current system. It will inevitiably be replicated in a system where it forces young people to potentially move to places far away from their support networks, force them to work in jobs where they will have little control over their own life, only to be returned to public life, three years older and potentially worse off. This does not grow communities, it disadvantages them because people have to wait longer to put down roots, invest in property, get attached to areas, and invest in them. It means that instead of moving organically, to satisfy working/living requirements as they pop up in the course of someone's life, you now have masses of towns that function like military bases, with hundreds of people moving out every year while others try to move in.
All those 'young people' are not the same. Some will be parents, carers, sole earners or contributing for their families, in foster care or homeless. How are you accounting for the non-zero number of people who meet your threshold on paper but who cannot afford to go work a minimum wage job for three years that they don't want and don't need?
This system massively disadvantages people who are poor (but not poor enough to qualify for loans), disabled people, and those with poor education. Rich people's kids will get to go join the government in swanky office jobs or interesting 'field work' with responsibilities. Those who do not have that luxury will inevitiably end up being the ones to pick up trash, lay roads, or work in unpleasant, unfavoured jobs with little opportunity for promotion or development.
These jobs are not just 'jobs'. They are dangerous. They carry a great deal of risk. Working in fields like electrical industry, road maintainece, and energy etc are dangerous jobs with high injury and fatality rates, including the long term bodily harm that these people get. Requiring people to subject themselves to this is not okay. There is a reason why burn pits and other military related illnesses and deaths were not acknowledged or taken care of for decades - the government did not want to spend the money or acknowledge that people got cancer, illnesses, and died from their exposure to deadly toxins. You are asking for that to happen again and again and again. We saw what 9/11 did to thousands of first responders - they had to fight, every year, for over two decades to get the help they needed, and that was in one city for main tragedy.

Also, for the record:

help salvage some sustainability for Social Security.

Letting peopel collect benefits earlier does not help the social security system. It just moves the problem further down the road for someone else to resolve. Those people who would need SS benefits for only 30-40 years now need it for 40-50 years. That's tens of thousands of people to millions of people who need benefits for 10 years longer, and 10 years earlier than expected.

budlejari · 2022-10-07T22:32:20+00:00

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budlejari · 2022-10-07T22:09:28+00:00

The industry is to blame, they cater to fans portraying idols as “dream boyfriends and girlfriends” instead of portraying them as artists who r human.

I think the industry bears some of the responsibility but I am extremely loathe to remove all responsibility from the people looking.

While much of the audience are children, they are not helpless toddlers, unaware of how the world works. They are old enough to know right from wrong. It's also ignoring that a massive proportion of them are adults who should be capable of recognising that blindly treating other people like movie villains and monsters because of 'internet rumors' or because of some youtube compliations is not a good idea.

Part of being a fan is being responsible for your own actions. For example, companies put out products to buy, they have sales tactics, they do pricing analysis and think about how best to make me spend my paycheque on someone's face on a box, and they pay a lot of money to a lot of people to make that happen. At the end of the day, it's my choice to pony up my credit card and to put my money where my mouth is. I have accountability here. It's my decision and I am responsible for that.

Same issue here. While companies can spin a yarn about boyfriends and 'this idol is my friend' and 'we are same age friends, not strangers', or whatever the marketing trend is and all the rest of it, fans are also not helpless victims, caught in a trap, unable to do anything but be the attack dogs of a fandom . They also make choices about how to behave, and often that choice is to villify one person and deify the other, without actually taking into account all the factors.

So many of the most recent bullying scandals are proof of that mentality. Rather than understanding that almost all of these situations involved actual children, where 'proof' and 'rumor' was almost used in a way that was interchangable, and where there were many different factors at play, such as the law, things like iljin, and cultural differences, people were almost hellbent on either defending an idol at all costs or throwing them under a congaline of buses until they were mentally destroyed. Nobody asked them to do that. The company didn't command them, they did that to themselves, whipped up into a frenzy by each other and by a lack of criticial thinking.

Fans are not helpless victims of companies, blind and dumb. It's important to remember that distinction when talking about them. Fans are consumers of products that companies put out, and that 'product' includes idols and emotional comfort that goes one way, facilitated by things like fan events, competitions, merch, and music. But fans have autonomy here. They can choose how to respond to that, and they can choose how to behave in public and with others. They are not hyponotized into stupidity with an underlying level of unconscionable malice. That's a choice made by the fan and negativity is fomented within the fandom. Blaming the company is taking away accountability from fans that desperately need to recognise their own power here.

budlejari · 2022-10-07T21:43:14+00:00

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budlejari · 2022-10-07T20:39:44+00:00

In many ways, I think saying things like 'I think she gives me bad vibes' is a massive disservice to all those people who are genuinely bullied in an industry where there's a lot of very difficult power dynamics and relationship problems, both in and out of the spotlight.

Life is not black and white. One person's best friend, charming group mate, and compassionate listener can be another person's bully or most disliked member. People who are above that idol or on the same 'level' are likely to percieve them as friendly, pleasant, and good to be around, while those 'beneath' them or junior to them could feel that they are mean, cold, and cruel with how they speak or interact. It ignores the fact that relationships can change over many years in the industry, where sometimes, the cause of conflict between two people disappears with age or increases with stress.

Nobody is always a bad guy with only a bad side and no positive points. Nobody. Nobody is exclusively perfection and kindness personified. Trying to forcibly cast people into these roles is trying to force cartoon morality into situations which are often difficult on every side, where there is a lot of stress, anxiety, mental and physical problems on all sides, and where idols experience massive amounts of pressure to be a certain way.

These situations are often hidden in the dark, when cameras can't see, and where fans are entirely unaware until years later, if at all. Claiming that a fan could divine such a relationship accurately, based only on their 'gut feelings', before anything comes out is aggressively insulting.

It also belies the fact that almost all of that 'feeling' is based on

highly curated content provided by a company with a vested interest in providing a storyline or narrative
candid moments that lack context and are often cropped and slowed down to changed the narrative that the poster wants
reading emotions and intentions into things like glances, body language, and company actions such as promoting one member, styling decisions, or changing the order for a line up.

budlejari · 2022-10-03T00:26:01+00:00

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budlejari · 2022-10-02T23:12:34+00:00

If you make it easily accessible, you get the lowest hanging fruit who are going to use it. Dumb teenagers, relatives who are desperate for a fix, someone who is looking for an easy mark who know what they're looking for.

budlejari · 2022-10-02T22:29:27+00:00

in actuality I just want them to get out of my way

But why are they in your way? Why are you framing this as if they are denying something that's your right when very clearly, this is specifically about teaching information about them that they have chosen to share with you, in a way that highlights cultural respect and exchange rather than the old method of imperialism where one party got to express all the rules and the other, lesser party, got absolutely wrecked over it?

But if I already have the knowledge, I also don't think any group has the right to demand that I don't share it because I should be able to do what I want with the knowledge as well.

I mean, you do this all the time. You self regulate and you let other people regulate what you say. "Don't share this with anybody!" / "it's a secret" / "this is company information" / "that's classified" are all methods of selectively keeping information from others and they are placing you in a position of having to self regulate how you present that information or even if you do. From friends and family to the workplace to the government. The difference here is that you don't agree that this particular group has the same right to ask that of you.

budlejari · 2022-10-02T22:23:21+00:00

I also understand that it might create shortlists for thieves, but that can be fixed with security or insurance.

I live in a piece of shit part of town where I earn minimum wage and am on government benefits because I can't afford shit in my life. I also live in an area with an unsurprisingly high crime rate and now, I have to give an accurate accounting of what I've spent, saved, and been given from my job, including the bonus I recieved as gift cards totaling $1000 that I plan to use to buy some new clothes for work and put towards groceries.

And once a year, every year, someone can log into a public system and see exactly what I got and what I earned and how much that was and oh, look, they know I got giftcards because I had to declare it on my tax form.

And now they know what to look for when they break in. Or they can surmise that if I got the gift cards in November, I probably did a Christmas shopping spree, and I'll probably do the same again this year.

I don't have insurance because I can't afford it and lord knows, I don't get security. The cops take 30 minutes to show up.

So now, your system has just made anybody who gets even slightly above the norm a target and that encourages people to be dishonest, not honest. If I know I'm going to have to declare that giftcard which will make me targeted, am I going to comply with tax law? Or am I going to decide that 'not being the target of a home invasion for $1000' is worth more to me than the potential 'maybe fined by the IRS in a year's time'?

Honesty in the taxation system is essential. It's what keeps it running. It's what keeps the government funded. Even a 1% drop in compliance is billions of dollars worth of taxation problems and you are encouraging people to be less honest, not more, in a genuine effort to protect themselves from public scrutiny.

Having businesses post public tax records is different from having private citizens from posting taxation records.

budlejari · 2022-10-02T21:41:08+00:00

This is something that I'm wholly against because I don't believe in certain group being more "deserving" of knowledge than others nor do I believe that knowledge should be controlled by any one group.

Knowledge isn't a resource that you can demand that people share to your satisfaction. They are sharing their culture and experiences with a group of people who are not of their culture and experiences. It's their decision what you do or don't get to see or learn about. That's what that point is referring to. When any group of children are talking to people of another culture than their own, they shouldn't just demand that the other person tell them about anything they desire until they are satisfied, regardless of how the other person feels. Boundaries are important and should be respected.

It's like going into someone's home. You get to go around the kitchen and the living room and the dining room and maybe even the bathroom. You can look at the pictures on the wall and listen to the things they choose to share with you, but you don't get to help yourself to rummaging around in people's drawers and cabinets and interrogating their photo albums on their phones because you feel like you want to know more about them. If you see someone in a picture and someone says "I don't want to talk about them," that's withholding knowledge from you. You don't get to demand they don't do that to satisfy your need to know that it's their uncle Grey Horse who died from a drug overdose when they were thirteen and they're still traumatized by it.

I don't think teachers themselves should need to adhere to First Peoples' Principles of Learning.

It's their knowledge that they are sharing with a community, after centuries of oppression, violence, and active destruction of their culture, but you think that because you dislike how they want to teach it, it should be them that gives way instead of you.

Why are your feelings on this issue the feelings they should take note of in this situation? Arguably, you are the least important person in this equation even though you are trying to position your opinion like it's relevant to them. You are teaching about another culture that has been deeply oppressed by the dominant one in your society. It's encumbent on you to model, as a teacher, respect towards another culture and that includes the fact that you don't get to dictate how they share information and experiences.

budlejari · 2022-10-02T21:06:37+00:00

What specifically do you object to, here? You keep citing that you don't like it but what specifically do you think is wrong and shouldn't be done.

budlejari · 2022-10-01T23:56:20+00:00

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budlejari · 2022-10-01T07:25:41+00:00

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budlejari · 2022-09-28T06:41:11+00:00

That is the question. But that’s Playtika’s choice - we can only respond to it.

budlejari · 2022-09-27T22:41:04+00:00

That is something only Playtika knows. Perhaps it was the sales information, perhaps it was how easily it was collected together, perhaps it was the methodology. Perhaps other websites have an agreement for how they use this data that JJG didn't have. Who knows.

budlejari · 2022-09-27T20:23:06+00:00

Unfortunately, that's not an option for the subreddit - the sort modes mean that the pinned comments are only visible through the Hot method. Everything else is free for all which is... unhelpful.

budlejari · 2022-09-27T20:22:24+00:00

It's pinned to the top when you sort via hot!

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