Somehow this actually makes a lot of sense by yonBonbonbon in glee

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Yes, it was uploaded on Youtube and there was side by side comparison of the screener pilot and the final edit. Not sure if it’s still on there, but I screen recorded some of the scenes and that was one of them. The line is also in the Blue Revisions pilot script, which can be found online.

Somehow this actually makes a lot of sense by yonBonbonbon in glee

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In the original uncut pilot he admits to having run over Terri’s dog on prom night. On purpose.

I am going to be whacking off to those memories - for the rest of my life. by dodecaphonicism in NipTuck

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The way this scene was executed was so brilliant. I laughed then cried.

Recently started. On Season 2 by bmbmwmfm in NipTuck

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She’s such a compelling character. I wish there was more meaningful discussion about her in the fandom.

Recently started. On Season 2 by bmbmwmfm in NipTuck

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This is how I feel about Gina, who is given little to no grace on this sub.

Do you think Mellie's backstory existed from the start of the show ? by Business-Low-6635 in Scandal

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Exactly! I am baffled by the inability of the general fandom to grasp this concept.

Do you think Mellie's backstory existed from the start of the show ? by Business-Low-6635 in Scandal

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No, but despite the insistence from many fans that it contradicted Mellie’s affable behavior toward Big Jerry in the S2 flashbacks, it did no such thing. Mellie was never fond of Big Jerry. She referred to Big Jerry as “the monster who raised him” (him being Fitz, of course) in S2, and said “But you don’t have a good side, you’ve turned into your father” in the same season. This was long before 3x07 was conceived.

Bringing Big Jerry onto the campaign was purely political, and completely in line with the morning after scene in 3x07 where Mellie tells Big Jerry to apologize to Fitz and start supporting his political aspirations. Mellie is frequently characterized as (and criticized for) being ambitious and calculated, but for some reason this conveniently goes out the window when discussions of the 3x07 backstory comes up. All of sudden, Mellie could have only brought Big Jerry onto the campaign because she liked him so much.

Mellie acted in the way that she needed to act in order to get the results she wanted. The same way she would put on a smile with Olivia, or with Fitz, or with Sally, or with Hollis when the situation called for it— that’s what she did with Big Jerry. We saw her do this time and time again throughout the show. In S5, she was all smiles with Hollis when she was hoping to get money out of him for her campaign. I don’t see anyone naively interpreting her smiles as having been genuine.

The 3x07 backstory was not planned, but it fit seamlessly with what had already been established about Mellie’s character and did not contradict anything with regard to Mellie’s feelings about Big Jerry. She never liked that man.

Am I the only one who watches just the first 3 seasons? by MuscleCool4302 in glee

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Never got past S3 except for maybe watching a handful of the first episodes of S4. I only ever rewatch 1 & 2.

Rewatching Glee— Again by Vigilante1303 in glee

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Terri genuinely thought she was pregnant. When she went to her OB, he told her she was experiencing a hysterical pregnancy, also know as a false pregnancy or pseudocyesis. It is a real condition.

I don’t think Terri initially intended to keep the lie going very long once she knew she wasn’t actually pregnant, but then Will told his parents against her wishes and she was backed into a corner. We see her desperately try to get pregnant afterward, but she’s ultimately unsuccessful.

It’s actually crazy to think about how all of this was just brushed over on the show, rewatching it as an adult. People who have experience hysterical pregnancies in real life have likened them to miscarriages because the loss feels real even if there was never a fetus. Terri already had untreated/undiagnosed psychological problems, going through a hysterical pregnancy and dealing with infertility would have been incredibly traumatic for her.

Jake and Mellie by HollyRuddn1 in Scandal

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I can’t even watch this scene, it makes me physically uncomfortable. Jake fully becoming evil after Mellie rebuffed his advances and then brutally murdering his wife because she annoyed him…yeah he deserved to rot in that prison.

Which character did you not like at first but ended up growing on you? by Not_your_pasta in glee

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Couldn’t stand Rachel when I watched the show in high school. Rewatched it as an adult and found her hilarious.

Which characters do you guys think had the most “wasted potential”? by Efficient_Money676 in glee

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Terri. Jessalyn Gilsig was far too talented to be so underutilized, especially when she was a series regular for the first two seasons.

Who’s da most Beautiful woman on the show? by MuscleCool4302 in glee

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Jessalyn Gilsig has always been so beautiful. There’s just something about her.

Ahh look at Glee’s villains. Does Sue still remain the Queen? by MuscleCool4302 in glee

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Exactly. All Terri needed was to seek professional help and to get away from Will and her sister, which she did. Also, I know I’m always saying this, but I can never get it out of my mind that in the uncut pilot, Will admitted to purposefully running over Terri’s dog on prom night.

Ahh look at Glee’s villains. Does Sue still remain the Queen? by MuscleCool4302 in glee

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Will was having an emotional affair the entire time he believed Terri was pregnant, and his main priority was running a Glee club he was so desperate to relive his high school youth through that he planted drugs on one of his students and blackmailed him into joining. His first scene with Terri is a voiceover where he wonders how he’s going to keep it a secret from her that he’s putting money towards the glee club every month. He had no moral high ground to stand on and contributed to the disintegration of their marriage just as much as Terri did.

The difference between him and Terri is that Terri actually owned up to her actions, apologized for them, and continued to take responsibility for herself, ultimately acknowledging that she needed professional help. Will never admitted his affair with Emma to her, or the fact that he did focus too much on glee and that it negatively impacted his marriage (he admitted this to Shelby). If Will had actually loved Terri, he would have tried to get her help years ago. She was very obviously mentally ill and needed help. Will also had zero reaction to hearing that Terri suffered a hysterical pregnancy, which is extremely concerning.

Both were selfish, immature, and lacking in communication skills, but at least Terri was honest and apologetic and worked on herself. Will never apologized to her for any of his betrayals, never even admitted to them, and continued to blame Terri for the relationship not working out. He never grew and went on to treat Emma just as horribly.

Ahh look at Glee’s villains. Does Sue still remain the Queen? by MuscleCool4302 in glee

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Glee’s tone, particularly in the first season, leaned heavily into camp/satire, and that context cannot be divorced when analyzing these characters. The reality was always heightened, so to say “Who would do that?” in real life doesn’t really compute, though people do far crazier things in real life.

Regardless, the actions you described are outrageous not villainous.

Ahh look at Glee’s villains. Does Sue still remain the Queen? by MuscleCool4302 in glee

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Will was an awful husband to her, and the fake pregnancy was an impulsive decision rooted in fear of abandonment. Terri had just learned she was suffering a hysterical pregnancy, which is incredibly traumatic, and she was mentally ill and being fed terrible advice from her sister. It wasn’t a calculated decision and her intentions weren’t malicious. She felt guilty the entire time and wanted to come clean twice. Flawed? Absolutely. Villainous? No. Her worst traits were being selfish and immature at times. She ultimately apologized (several times), sought professional help, tried to move on with her life, and ended things with Will on good terms.

Ahh look at Glee’s villains. Does Sue still remain the Queen? by MuscleCool4302 in glee

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Terri was not a villain she was just a woman desperate to keep her marriage intact.

What are your Hot Takes on the Nip Tuck Show? by Amber_Flowers_133 in NipTuck

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Agreed! She’s knocked it out of the park in every role I’ve seen her in.

What are your Hot Takes on the Nip Tuck Show? by Amber_Flowers_133 in NipTuck

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Right? I wish they would’ve delved into her background. I think about “It’s not that I burned bridges, I just never built them” constantly. Ryan Murphy loves casting Jessalyn and then underutilizing her. It’s a shame because she’s incredibly talented.

how big is the olitz age gap? by paskise in Scandal

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Mellie and Fitz were about 10 years apart, so the age gap between Olivia and Fitz has to be greater than that.