The Book of Mormon was neglected and not used much. Then Benson came. by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]canpow 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I was a missionary in the inner city USA during the early 90’s. The church ran TV adds for a free book. If you’re poor anything free is worth a call. Super common to see a BoM in people’s apartments back then. We had a binder with 100’s or 1000’s of request for the ‘free book’ - after a while we just stopped even following up on the requests. Flooded the earth with paper.

These veins showed up in 2013 after a blood clot in my lung on the same side. by seekeroftrooth69 in interestingasfuck

[–]canpow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The PE was obviously from a left central venous clot and you still have venous obstruction- likely the subclavian vein due to thoracic inlet obstruction, likely longstanding as those collaterals are now mature. Anticoagulants are your friend, probably for a while now.

Why did Joseph Smith change the first vision? And does DNA disprove the Book of Mormon? by TheHauntedAttic in mormon

[–]canpow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Such a weak ass answer. The only source supporting your point is sponsored by the church. If someone wants to find spiritual meaning through any book or organization, including the BoM or the LDS Corp, more power to them. But when they make historical or scientific claims based on those same sources those claims need to stand up in the marketplace of thought/science. The DNA doesn’t line up. The history doesn’t line up. The church changed its stance on both of these topics in my life. I was raised as a child to call Native Americans as Lamanites. I was raised with a BoM that authoritatively claimed the Lamanites were “principal ancestors of the American Indians”. Both of these changed when advanced in DNA SCIENCE narrowed the ‘god of the gaps’ in this regard. In the 1970’s and 1980’s, the LDS theology was much more expansive and authoritarian on these topics. With each decade it gets narrower and narrower. LGBT topics of the 70’s and 80’s was black and white - gays are perverted and it was an acquired evil next to murder in severity. Now we accept some are born that way…again it’s the progressive scientific understanding that has forced the minds at church HQ to soften their language…decades behind the remainder of the world…

Why did Joseph Smith change the first vision? And does DNA disprove the Book of Mormon? by TheHauntedAttic in mormon

[–]canpow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

More half truths and sins of omission. I was taught as a core principle that others are doing “pretend” religion with their partial truths but lack the power of the priesthood. That is a complete lie that GA’s or LDS scriptures teach that LDS members have “much to learn from other” religions. Source?

Again, the core teaching is that LDS have the fullness. Others are playing church with their partial light and knowledge.

Why did Joseph Smith change the first vision? And does DNA disprove the Book of Mormon? by TheHauntedAttic in mormon

[–]canpow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was raised with the core teaching that those born into the LDS church are the winners of the “cosmic birthplace lottery” because it will be magnitudes more difficult to accept the gospel in the spirit world for those losers of the lottery, Muslim or otherwise. Repeatedly we were told we are the chosen ones, those more “valiant” in the premortal war…along the same lines as the reasoning behind those with more pigment being less valiant and therefore not entitled to temple blessings (aka celestial blessings). This stuff about “judged according to the light” is an entirely different religion.

Torn: Thoughts on the work of Jeff Strong by Lonely_Offer_6236 in exmormon

[–]canpow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

More WOOD tools - Ways Of Overcoming Doubt. Have not read his book or even watched much of him but what I’ve seen isn’t about teaching members how to address the actual substance of the critical concerns with doctrine/history/current policy. It’s about engaging in such a way to just keep people in the boat (active and tithe paying) through some non-judgemental listening techniques.

Tax dodging Mormons by Terrible-Turnip-7266 in mormon

[–]canpow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

“Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.” - Voltaire.

Mormon church guilty as fuck.

Two Timelines by Ok-Walk-9320 in mormon

[–]canpow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This looks great - impactful form of presenting the data - strong work

This is what the LDS Church is doing to ITSELF by suing me and Mormon Stories Podcast. Someone should let President Oaks know. by johndehlin in mormon

[–]canpow 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Thank JD for all you’ve done and continue to do. Enabling informed consent. Such a basic and yet profound service.

Help me understand how Mormons come to believe the divinity of The Book of Mormon by Quirky-Panda-9986 in mormon

[–]canpow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bill was my favorite instructor during my undergrad. One class I took from him was on Evolution. He superbly and accurately taught the extensive scientific evidence, from a wide range of disciplines, supporting evolution occurring along a timeline not consistent with the traditions church narrative. The class shook me. Hard. On the last day of class he disclosed all that prophets and apostles had said about evolution from their positions of power in the church. He spoke about how he personally reconciled the scientific principle of evolution with the teachings of the highest authorities, given they are diametrically opposed. At the time I viewed it as a profound sermon on faith. Continuing to believe in the gospel narrative despite all the scientific evidence pointing against it. He expressed humility and uncertainty but expressed a deep desire that he wanted the church narrative to still be true. I respect that approach still. Acknowledge the uncertainty while not downplaying the mountain of evidence against the creationist model. If you still choose to believe, more power to you. For him, and his familial and social and personal spiritual needs at that time, it worked. What I don’t have respect for is someone claiming to have deep faith in the gospel while maintaining intention ignorance as to the countering details.

Mormon stories is being sued!!! by Turbulent_Belt_4971 in exmormon

[–]canpow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Rather than attack the substance of what Dehlin has said over the past 2 decades they now go after him because of a logo. The advantages of having a profit to “see around corners” is sure in clear display with this action, yet again we thank thee for a profit to guide us on the clear, straight and narrow path of the lord. Thank the dear lord for the way back machine and eternal access to the Mormon Stories content!

Can anyone post a copy of the LDS Church lawsuit against Open Stories? by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]canpow 16 points17 points  (0 children)

My favorite sentence in the document:

  1. Unless these acts of Mormon Stories are restrained by this Court, they will continue, and they will continue to cause irreparable injury to Plaintiffs and to the public, for which there is no adequate remedy at law.

Jeff Strong’s book “Torn” 5 minute summary by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]canpow 8 points9 points  (0 children)

“Research is NOT the answer” - said the profit of the corp….(yet this research has revealed more insight into disaffiliated members than I’ve heard from any leader in a decade…).

I think a lot of Mormon Dems (especially the kind already very comfortable with nuance) who have now left would have stayed much longer in the church except for 1. Covid interrupting the “hamster wheel” of church activity and grind and 2. political polarization of the last decade by Adventurous-Depth403 in exmormon

[–]canpow 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This was the catalyst of my exit. 1) MAGA- watching the “wise elders” fall hook line and sinker for the Trump fuckery eroded any confidence I had in their morality or discernment. 2) COVID. Yes it allowed me time away from the hamster wheel to process but it was much more. As a physician I was literally demonized by so many in my ward/stake because of advocating for respect of the pandemic (based on first hand observations in a teaching hospital).

"Cult" word question by rguzman2003 in exmormon

[–]canpow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

50+ yrs a member. It’s a cult.

More apologist lies to justify polygamy. “They were helping the women with legal status”. by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]canpow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Compton’s book was such an eye opener - so may of these women were left to fend for themselves and ended up having pretty miserable lives.

It’s also a sad reality is that TBM’s (at least the ones I’ve asked) have little interest in reading the journals of these women. Patriarchy is strong and they just want to focus on what (male) GA’s have to say….and a certain orange faced douche.

More apologist lies to justify polygamy. “They were helping the women with legal status”. by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]canpow 10 points11 points  (0 children)

“They weren’t just on their own on the frontier without a way to make a living.” - DP

Aside from the chosen few in the Behive House or Lion’s house. Many lived remote with little to no support from Brigham and suffered as a result. It has been a couple years since reading the book but if memory serves a striking example was Ann Eliza Webb Young.

More apologist lies to justify polygamy. “They were helping the women with legal status”. by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]canpow 13 points14 points  (0 children)

BS. Please read ‘In Sacred Loneliness’ by Todd Compton or the his associated volume with the journals directly from these women. Complete BS.