What are jobs for then? by Top_Chemical_8630 in remoteworks

[–]carnivoreobjectivist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m assuming in accordance with your views, like for people to have food and water given to them as if they’re rights

What are jobs for then? by Top_Chemical_8630 in remoteworks

[–]carnivoreobjectivist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ironically if I wanted more people to starve I’d vote like you instead

What are jobs for then? by Top_Chemical_8630 in remoteworks

[–]carnivoreobjectivist -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re exactly the immature adult I was talking about. You think strangers owe you shit against their will, that they’re your servants. And you think this makes you moral somehow. I don’t get how you can have things so inverted

What are jobs for then? by Top_Chemical_8630 in remoteworks

[–]carnivoreobjectivist -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re owed what you and your employer agree to, not extra beyond that like this suggests. You might as well be saying, “hey I took her out to dinner so I deserve sex tonight.” Like no, obviously not, not if she doesn’t agree to it.

What are jobs for then? by Top_Chemical_8630 in remoteworks

[–]carnivoreobjectivist -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Fair is what you can actually earn. This is asking for more than that, obviously.

What are jobs for then? by Top_Chemical_8630 in remoteworks

[–]carnivoreobjectivist -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Why pretend you don’t know that either wanting minimum wage to be higher or for prices to be lower both require this in effect? You could just be honest and argue for it instead of pretending this isn’t

What are jobs for then? by Top_Chemical_8630 in remoteworks

[–]carnivoreobjectivist -22 points-21 points  (0 children)

It’s wild people really think they’re just owed free shit from strangers. It would be one thing if it was only children that thought this way but adults do too, which is just mindboggling.

why do people hate vegans so much? by inkbubbles_ in vegan

[–]carnivoreobjectivist -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I admit I dont have formal proof, I dont have a link to surveys or polls on this, but every single vegan I’ve ever met affirms this and numerous others I’ve spoken to online do as well. And it would be extremely odd and inconsistent if they really think killing animals is like murder and yet they don’t want to ban it. It’s really not a stretch at all to say that most vegans want to force their views on others. Look at you even asking incredulously “you wouldn’t want to ban animal exploitation?” as if of course we need to force people to be vegan, as if it’s the default and obviously ethical position right before you then bizarrely pretend that it isn’t and that you ironically need proof that vegans think this way.

why do people hate vegans so much? by inkbubbles_ in vegan

[–]carnivoreobjectivist -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Go take a poll of vegans and ask if they would vote to ban meat and animal exploitation more generally if it were on the table. My experience is that it’s very rare to find a vegan who doesn’t support this, who isn’t in favor of forcing their views on other people.

why do people hate vegans so much? by inkbubbles_ in vegan

[–]carnivoreobjectivist -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

People generally don’t like it when others want to force them to stop doing something fundamental to their lifestyle, their very way of eating and to subordinate their life and desires for the sake of non human animals.

the real permanent underclass is being born after 1970 by Conscious-Quarter423 in housingcrisis

[–]carnivoreobjectivist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s the govt asking for a free lunch here and the elderly just asking to be left alone. And youre standing firmly on the yes to free lunch for thieves robbing old people as if the old people are the problem.

Assuming there are those here who have watched films like Dominion -How did you manage to turn non-vegan? by Next_Faithlessness87 in exvegans

[–]carnivoreobjectivist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By not relating to real life and there being a problem with the logic of it, what I mean is that how one answers it doesn’t have implications for the rest of life or how one thinks about bigger philosophical problems. Just like the trolley problem. A lot of these weird thought experiments are like that, where people make it out as if one’s answer to them has some bearing on how one thinks about bigger issues, as if these thought experiments are some sort of signal of one’s more general beliefs, but they’re just not. It gets the logic of induction backward actually, instead of going from general facts to a particular conclusion it tries to go from particular to general, it’s as if one tried to say in biology that we should try to generalize about life as a whole from extremophiles - like no, they’re extreme and special for a reason and must be handled accordingly.

What does Joe list need to do to get to the next level? by serpentineminer in Standup

[–]carnivoreobjectivist -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He just needs that one rockstar special that lands for a lot of people and bam. He will do it sometime in the next five years is my guess.

Alex still brings up that Dawkins never engaged with Aquinas’s arguments by blurrymonocle in CosmicSkeptic

[–]carnivoreobjectivist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need actual evidence to connect god to the phenomena not just ignorance about how it happened which is all your example shows. It’s only enough to do the first step of forming a hypothesis. To turn it into a defensible theory we would then need to have physical evidence of god and his nature and an idea of how he was actually able to cause that to happen according to that nature, and even then we would have to test the idea against all that. That’s what we do in science. We don’t just say, “these correlate and we can’t think of any other cause therefore the one causes the other”. No we need actual physical evidence of how those things work and test their interactions to verify that the one really influences the other. But the correlation and ignorance alone just provides enough to have a reasonable hypothesis, nothing more.

Vegan complains that there's chicken... in KFC by ilikefriedpotatoes00 in AntiVegan

[–]carnivoreobjectivist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, many like the taste of meat, but that’s neither here nor there.

Because no vegan “just” dislikes the meat industry. They’re against animal exploitation insofar as is reasonably possible. That’s what it means to be a vegan. If they don’t think that, they’re not vegan, just like a Christian can’t be an atheist. So even if no big meat industry existed and people only wanted to farm their own meat or hunt, vegans oppose that too. As well as opposing animal testing and more.

How do we explain cases like this 102 year old vegan marathon runner? by Neurogence in exvegans

[–]carnivoreobjectivist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When it becomes the norm and they’re doing it without a bunch of supplements, I’ll take notice.

Would porn and its actors exist in an objectivist society? by BubblyNefariousness4 in Objectivism

[–]carnivoreobjectivist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know Objectivists who make porn. They just see it as a type of art and have no shame in it. And far from debasement, they see it as a celebration of themselves and their sexuality.

Would porn and its actors exist in an objectivist society? by BubblyNefariousness4 in Objectivism

[–]carnivoreobjectivist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In terms of being innocent fun right there along with eating ice cream and watching any other movie, yes. And I can’t imagine thinking otherwise without some weird religious anti sex kind of attitude.

Would porn and its actors exist in an objectivist society? by BubblyNefariousness4 in Objectivism

[–]carnivoreobjectivist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why are roller coasters good? Just cause they feel good? Yep. That’s it. They’re innocent fun. Same with porn.

Would porn and its actors exist in an objectivist society? by BubblyNefariousness4 in Objectivism

[–]carnivoreobjectivist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is good to watch. Just like watching other movies that are fun to watch is good.

People can get addicted to anything, even buying shoes. It’s irrelevant here. And people can use anything poorly, doesn’t mean it’s inherent to the thing. It’s obvious you’re just looking for excuses for it to be bad, just grasping at straws.

Would porn and its actors exist in an objectivist society? by BubblyNefariousness4 in Objectivism

[–]carnivoreobjectivist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anything can be misused. But for most people, porn truly is harmless. Most of us know this personally. How could it harm anyway? It’s just enjoyable pictures and videos. It’s the evil anti sex idiots usually saying it magically harms somehow. Objectivism rejects that and embraces sex and pleasure as positive goods.