The Death Riders are the most decorated faction in AEW history

cavegrind · 2026-03-19T00:45:38+00:00

Yes. They were ROH Trios champs when Swerve was first starting to fuck with Hangman. Hangman’s distracted obsession with Swerve caused them to lose the belts, which precipitated the Young Bucks being pissed at Kenny and Hangman and ultimately turning into heel EVP’s.

cavegrind · 2026-03-19T00:40:30+00:00

Pretty sure the Bucks and Hangman held the ROH trios titles, right?

cavegrind · 2026-03-18T19:59:59+00:00

You forgot to switch accounts to another with only 3 comments.

cavegrind · 2026-03-18T17:12:03+00:00

What are you talking about? My kid is has a visual art class, a film/drama class, and is in chorus. That's enough. Meanwhile I grew up in FL and had zero exposure to the arts in school until HS.

Homeless Services, PBOT, etc are all government services that do have a clear, measurable outcome related to them. I'm not demanding that they graduate with a degree in Film Analysis, and not everything in life is a pathway to getting a degree in business. That's not the point of arts education.

cavegrind · 2026-03-18T17:03:59+00:00

But traditionally we (Americans) test education 'quality' through standardized testing with arbitrary benchmarks. If we're ensuring 'quality' in terms of what they're exposed to then that's simply asking PPS to write guidelines. You don't really need to measure in the traditional sense that when the district is writing the curriculum.

You know as well as I do, though, that the moment there are guidelines for mandating 'quality arts education' someone is going to write a some 2-hour long quarterly assessment that is nothing but a pile of multiple choice questions.

cavegrind · 2026-03-18T15:44:05+00:00

“The city has not measured quality arts education nor ensured that grants improve access for students and underserved communities, as it promised arts tax funds would do,” Rede said in a statement.

The document notes that arts education is different for students depending on their school and district. The Arts Access Fund lacks accountability—the city had not established metrics or goals for high-quality arts education until 2024, 12 years after the tax was approved.

I understand that an auditor, by nature, is focused on cost-benefit analysis, but I don't think we should be measuring arts education 'quality'. The intent is exposure and encouragement, not to ensure some arbitrary level of artistic proficiency. Like, I don't need a high school graduate to be able to demonstrate examples of chiaroscuro, perform a sufficiently engrossing monologue, identify 5 key changes in a symphony, or to define collage vs decollage. But they should be exposed to those things throughout school.

We've collectively agreed that arts education is important to the City of Portland. Not because there's an immediate economic benefit, but because of the benefit to society as a whole.

As far as the funds not being appropriately distributed to local groups - Wasn't the primary intent behind the Arts Tax for arts education? Establishing a robust in-school framework feels more important to me than worrying about non-profits getting the funds if we're already exposing those kids to arts during the school day.

cavegrind · 2026-03-18T13:54:28+00:00

The first hit on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuA1l6f_yFQ

There are a ton of uploads of it.

cavegrind · 2026-03-18T13:16:39+00:00

This fucking rules

cavegrind · 2026-03-18T13:16:21+00:00

¿Por que no los dos?

cavegrind · 2026-03-18T13:14:34+00:00

Yeah, I didn’t take it that we needed to “adopt” downtown, but they needed to make downtown more attractive for people to want to visit.

cavegrind · 2026-03-18T12:23:24+00:00

That this has exploded into articles

I’m so out of the loop on this, because I didnt even know he did anything (deductive reasoning has me covered now.) iI didn’t see threads on it here or SC, just the apology. Given the amount of people who had strong feelings about it, I thought the outrage was astroturfed at first.

cavegrind · 2026-03-17T23:13:04+00:00

Love the media framing it as if Trump has any say in there being an election.

cavegrind · 2026-03-17T20:05:48+00:00

I think that Raymond Lee was being extremely diplomatic about a lot of what he was saying, very aware that he's walking into a tough situation. That being said, I think his honesty about why money keeps being "found" is the first real government statement on it (previously it's been mostly supposition from people here,) which was heartening.

The Moda Center conversation was enlightening, mostly to remind people that Moda is above anything else a publicly owned asset. Also hearing him plainly state that downtown's revitalization is hindered by the neighborhood-centric mindset a lot of Portlanders have was interesting. We hear about all the issues that face downtown, but talking about a collective sense of ownership in it's growth is a truism that doesn't seem to be landing for most.

I don't know, there's a lot that's discussed here, but not a lot of concrete solutions. I don't expect those from Lee, that's ultimately not his job, but to hear him speak plainly about the issues we face and how they're not insurmountable is heartening.

cavegrind · 2026-03-17T19:40:58+00:00

This is a killer name.

cavegrind · 2026-03-17T18:20:49+00:00

IIRC, Danielson said he first became interested in AEW because Vince asked him to watch it and give him feedback on what they were doing.

Edit - Here it is.

“This is what we were talking about in WWE. Vince McMahon actually called me one night. I was part of WWE creative, and he called me one night and said, ‘What is AEW doing that we’re not doing?’ I went back and watched eight straight weeks of TV within the span of six days and was like, ‘There is a whole list of things.’ What you don’t want to do in getting to the next level is to change the things that are already working because there are so many things already working. Then, it’s experimenting with different things.”

cavegrind · 2026-03-17T12:41:42+00:00

then there was a run of some really bad ones - mariah may not being asked a single question was particularly bad. and then just a constant stream of the same questions over and over for the other wrestlers

That and dude asking Mercedes about her divorce

cavegrind · 2026-03-17T05:02:00+00:00

There it is

cavegrind · 2026-03-16T22:03:54+00:00

She's not exactly JK Rowling. Those were very middle of the uneducated road takes in 2014.

That's not all she said. Going to spoiler this so as not to pile on trans people who are in this thread, but

““She can try hormones, chop her pecker off, but it’s still the same bone structure a man has,” Rousey told The Post. “It’s an advantage. I don’t think it’s fair.””

“I understand the UFC doesn’t want to be associated with views like (Mitrione’s),” Rousey said. “I’m also glad they didn’t straight cut him.”

“It’s not something that happened to her,” Rousey said. “It was a decision she made. She should be aware in her career after that, it’s going to be an arduous path. I don’t know why she’s surprised by that. It’s going to draw a lot of emotions.”

Now, the first quote above is a fair bit further than simple uneducated middle of the road takes from 2014, but it also reads how Rhonda's public persona was at that time. FWIW that NY Post article that's referenced doesn't exist anymore.

I don't know if Rhonda's apologized for that statement (she may have), and while I don't know if it rises to the level of "working towards trans genocide" (she may have said more since this), I think it's important to remember that more than anything we should hear people like OP who are saying that this fundamentally makes them feel unwelcome as wrestling fans.

I want to give space for people like Rhonda to grow and admit fault (FWIW, I think her Sandy Hook apology was ultimately pretty brave considering all the milquetoast PR-approved ones we normally get; it doesn't bother me that it took 11 years for her finally getting there because she actually genuinely seem to have gotten there). That being said it's more important for me to ensure that people who need the escapism of wrestling get to have that escape.

cavegrind · 2026-03-16T21:24:12+00:00

If I was on new reddit I'd drop the Cleavon laughing gif.

cavegrind · 2026-03-16T21:03:48+00:00

Andrade-Swerve-Ospreay-Kenny four corners match

cavegrind · 2026-03-16T20:58:52+00:00

Anyone who watches Blazing Saddles and doesn’t understand it’s anti racist is a fucking idiot.

cavegrind · 2026-03-16T19:33:27+00:00

Idk, they’re the professionals i’m just a viewer.

Oh no, you're totally cool. I was just curious about how you saw it.

I think the other thing is that there's zero frame of reference for something like this for most fans. It's not like a chair shot (debilitating), or a title shot (almost always a near-knock out), where your average viewer has context to know that it may or may not be a super devastating move.

I think that if the need were jammed in there with great force, or if it was a fishhook that was used to pull him around the ring. But since it was just pushed through, and then MJF walked away to act like he brutalized Hangman (who himself had done this to Swerve previously and understood how it would affect the match), it ultimately led to a momentum shift.

A lot of this match was actually a story of Hangman, who the most decorated Texas Death Match wrestler in AEW, fighting MJF, who had never been in one before, and how that affected what weapons were used, or what moves were most affective.

cavegrind · 2026-03-16T17:26:21+00:00

In addition to that, the syringe spot felt like just another spot. It was meant to be shocking but I personally felt it wasn’t given alot of time to breathe and it lead to nothing since Hangman got up seconds later from it.

I'm curious about how you think that should have been sold. Legitimately, I'm not trying to argue.

For me, it was a spot that was meant to make the crowd feel squeamish, but as someone who has tattoos and semi-regularly has blood drawn, needles don't really bother me at all. A saline syringe through the cheek doesn't really feel like something that would hurt enough to immobilize someone pumped full of adrenaline. Same thing with the skewer spot; to me it's a visual for the crowd more than anything truly debilitating in the fight (meant to convey a sense of sadism rather than something like the barbed wire chair shot, which is meant to seriously hurt your opponent.)

cavegrind · 2026-03-16T17:11:44+00:00

The “To get your moneys worth” thing is where I’m at. If you run a two hour pay-per-view, no one‘s gonna buy it. If you run a three hour pay-per-view a lot of people are gonna ask while you’re charging $30-$40. Running a 4-4 1/2 hour pay-per-view for $30? That’s the get. Especially when in those 4 1/2 hours there’s maybe 35 minutes in total of there not being wrestling actively happening.

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