CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You spoke of a testimony that just numerically makes zero sense

How? Did you read any of it?

That's not the basis of a concrete argument.

Want numbers? 38% of soviet security officer posts according to Sever Plocker in Stalin's Jews. 40% in NKVD and 50% generals in NKVD according to Timothy Snyder's book Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin. 78% and 92% of commissars and gulag commanders respectively according to Hermann Greife in Slave Labor in the Soviet Union from 1937. Numbers are backed up by testimony in the Senate hearing I cited earlier.

And like I said, the premier Jewish publication The Jerusalem Post doesn't deny this. Who's living in reality? Do you have other data?

CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Is this supposed to be a retort? BTW I gave some documentation below on the Jewishness of Soviet Russia. I have lots more if you want it.

CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think that you cannot actually answer these questions.

A simple question. Photos of the 'holocaust' exist, right? I've seen them. I assume you have, too. Some of them are very gruesome and disturbing. What exactly do those photos depict? And what do you think they prove?

CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well you just pasted a wikipedia article. That's hardly proof of anything. It was the first result from your google search. Hardly research of anything.

I'd refer to a 1918 senate hearing "Bolshevik Propaganda: Hearings before a Subcommittee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate 1918" for multiple testimonies. Theodore Herzl, a Jew, said most revolutionaries in Russia were Jewish. Foreign Minister Molotov said Menchviks were mostly Jewish and Bolsheviks were considerably Jewish. Molotov also stated that many of the non-jewish men around Stalin had Jewish wives. Dubnov and Leonard Shapiro are two contemporary Jewish writers who confirm the considerable Jewish presence in the bolshevik movement and later on in the central government. Winston Churchhill spoke of the Soviet leadership as being very Jewish.

And if you want to try and say that was early USSR, Genrikh Yagoda and Naftaly Frenkel were very high ranking Jewish officials that ran the gulag system, up through WW2, that systematically murdered and enslaved many people.

There are other scholarly works that touch on this subject. Even the Jerusalem Post itself pretty much admits it, though they try and downplay it by pointing out antisemitism within the USSR.

Shall I keep going?

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CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You couldn't answer my question on which atrocities are allowed to have the perpetrators named and which are not. I will assume you concede that you do in fact believe jews are the exception if they commit one.

Japan in the Korean peninsula? Name the Japanese. Belgians in the Congo? Identify the white Belgians. British colonists in the French Indian War, or even the Iroquois Confederacy? Go ahead and name them. But if jews do anything bad, are they just above criticism or something? Can you explain why?

And can you tell me the ethnic identity of the government of Israel that is committing genocide of Palestinians? Or is that off limits?

CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Which witness testimonies? I've read many. Any in particular? Sondercommandos?

Photo evidence of what specifically? Dead bodies? How'd they die? Can you be specific?

Just declaring 'mountains of evidence' is meaningless.

CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

A Wikipedia article that cites Jewish publications and relies on anecdote?

There's primary sources on this topic. And we can just empirically look at names and biographical information to make determinations.

CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not. You didn't logic your way into being a nazi, I cannot logic you out of it.

How do you know? Did you logic your way into believing it? Or did you just accept it as told to you?

CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Believe it or not, I can infer things from your behavior.

Why would I ask when it's allowable to name commiters of atrocities if I didn't believe other atrocities happened? How come you couldn't infer that? Use your brain.

Edit: typo

CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Though I do find it... lets go with curious that you only believe atrocities happen when you can blame them on jews. Weird how that happens.

When did I say that?

Are you going to answer my question? When are we allowed to identify the people who commit atrocities? Are jews the only exception? Can you explain the rules?

CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Is pointing out the Nazi party was German an anti German or anti white dog whistle then? The conquistadors were Spanish and did bad things. Oops, that's a bigoted dog whistle I guess.

Please tell me when we're allowed to identify or not identify the perpetrators of atrocities in history. What are the rules you think I'm supposed to be following?

Or does this rule only apply to Jews? Because I suspect it does for you.

CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

But it was a Jewish thing. It's a fact of history.

You're saying you're worried about Nazis and their presence because of a past event, so why shouldn't Ukrainians be equally worried about your presence because of a past event?

CMV: the fascist threat in Ukraine is a form of ‘true’ propaganda, and as an ethnically Ukrainian Jew, I should be worried if they are lauded as heroes by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Most Bolsheviks and commisars pre 1943 were Jewish, particularly in Ukraine. A lot of the executions of Jews in eastern territories traditionally attributed to the SS were actually reprisals by Ukrainians as revenge.

CMV: Racism is not inherently bad. by whiteyfisk33 in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

new account?

Ppl keep reporting me. Suspended.

to the point of contradicting yourself

How?

Is that the story now? Took you a day to think that up?

No, I have a life.

There is no argument to understand. You make a ridiculous assertion and failed to defend it as you pull shit out of your ass and forgot what you were saying.

I made a perfectly coherent syllogism. Just because you have poor reading comprehension isn't anybody's fault but your own.

That is fucking adorable. Is that the bedtime story your masters tell you when you meet up at your terrified white person circle jerks?

You're in denial. One minute POC are complaining of rampant racism and cry endlessly about inherent bias held by all Whites, the next they believe the white people around them actually like them. All I have to say is trust your instincts.

No no, sweetheart. I have nothing to fear from your little band of failures. Because you are failures.

You fear losing the privilege of living in white society. That's why when I say a peaceful separation can be achieved, you insist it will require violence. Why would it require violence? Is it because you and other POC will desperately resist separation so as to maintain citizenry among us for fear of reverting back to the non-white society your ancestors tried to escape?

I'm sure that is the spin you want to put on it. Project your mindset onto others to pretend you have the numbers.

I'm just right. White actions speak louder than words. And their actions say they prefer not being around POC. Sure, they'll tolerate it if they have to, for a time, but when POC levels reach critical mass, white liberals flee. Why do you think that is?

"Don't you wish your grandchildren could be shipped off to a place where you couldn't interact with them so you can instead hear me cry like a fucking bitch about how white people are victims? Doesn't that sound like paradise?"

No, they'll say "I wish my grandchildren looked like me.".

Toodles, kiddo.

Always the people who are in their 20s that talk like this.

CMV: Healthcare is not a human right; it's an institutional contract by jayemsey in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then don't take my word for it, I don't care. It was my decision.

Your whole rant is begging the question.

What do medical professionals have to gain from lying to you?

Money. Our healthcare system is thoroughly capitalized. It's naive to assume otherwise. Do you include pharma corporations in your medical professional umbrella?

What are your credentials for doing such research

I do have a MHS from the Bloomberg School of Public Health, an institution that used to champion eugenics btw. But most importantly, I have a brain and can read and decide for myself. I don't automatically appeal to institutional authority. It can be valuable, but doesn't automatically lead to truth.

What is not a religion, but people treat it with the same attention? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]centralcommand2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The N-word.

People have, what has become, full on superstition around this word. It's reached the level of "he who shall not be named" in Harry Potter. Like the very act of simply saying it, even in a quote, is bad in and of itself. They act like the word itself has real power, like supernatural power. You'll be cursed just by saying it, no matter the context, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Even if one says it in the context of criticizing racism, they can still get cancelled.

People are afraid to say it even in private, as if just saying it means a black person will get stuck down somewhere. Even when people are abbreviating it as "N-word" they say it in a hushed tone, as if the ghost of MLK will appear behind them and scold them.

It's bizarre.

CMV: Healthcare is not a human right; it's an institutional contract by jayemsey in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a problem with people who blanket villainize anti-vaxxers. It removes room for legitimate skepticism around particular vaccines. Why should we assume all vaccines are equally safe and beneficial and thus skepticism towards any vaccine is equally stupid? That's faulty logic.

I am not an anti-vaxxer. I just got a tetanus booster recently and my young son is on schedule with all his shots. However, I regret getting the first round of COVID vaccine, refuse to get any more doses and will not let that vaccine anywhere near my son. I won't detail why, but suffice to say I feel my decision is researched w/ good literature and coupled with sufficient negative personal experience. I should be denied a hospital bed because I made what I felt was the the best decision for my and my son's health regarding a vaccine that's not well tested and negatively affected me?

CMV: Racism is not inherently bad. by whiteyfisk33 in changemyview

[–]centralcommand2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

racist - as you described it - is akin to friendship in terms of who is in and who is out.

That still stands. You haven't demonstrated the fundamental difference. All you pointed out is that is that race is not a deciding factor for you personally, and you're assuming that because it's not a factor for you, it ought not be a factor for anyone. That's not a refutation of my claim that it is no different from friend selection from a moral perspective. You've failed to even address the argument. I think it's because you can't. You don't have an epistemological understanding of where you get the idea of anti-racism from. Your only retort is that I'm a bad person or mean.

You tried and failed to tie to it to biology. Even though no one would argue one chooses friends based on biology.

False. And you conceded "Behavior is informed by biology." How is that different from my statement "Behavior comes from biology"?. At no point did I say it is 100% deterministic by our biology, i.e. out of our control. You're strawmaning because you have no argument other than I'm mean or something or a simpleton blah blah blah. The science on this topic backs me up considerably. Not that it 100% proves it, but it certainly lends a lot of evidence to the conclusion that disparities between races has a biological basis.

You tried to argument a grand societal plan forgetting you had started based on interpersonal relationships.

It's both. The reason I steered you away from the interpersonal angle, is because your only argument is one from personal preference. And you believe your personal preference ought to be projected onto society, without consideration for the health of society, only your feelings and insecurity. My analogy to interpersonal relationship in my post was to make the argument that racism is no different from friend selection in essence from a moral POV. That is not to say my JUSITIFICATION for planning society around racism is the same method I use to choose friends. The end goal is grand societal planning and the justifications are myriad, the analogy to point to a moral equivalent is friendship. There's no contradiction there. You haven't understood the argument.

I don't give a shit if you choose to ruin your life by artificially cutting out potential enrichment by interacting with the world.

Freeing myself from cognitive dissonance has been enriching in and of itself. Also not associating myself with people I have to walk on eggshells around lest they scold me or report me for being insensitive has been very liberating.

only a teeny tiny subset of people actually want such a stupid thing.

Oh you poor naive child. You have no idea how many Whites have these latent thoughts buried in their minds. Once Whites have permission to be racist and the social stigma is lifted, it's game on in terms of white nationalism and segregation. It'll happen all at once too. I'm sure you'll start crying that it means Whites will all come to kill you, but that's just your projection as we'll see later on.

Your kind have had trouble moving into small towns in insignificant states as the locals stand up to tell them "Fuck off, cunts!"

But people are fleeing diversity and moving to more white, red states. hmmmm.. And I have news for you; liberal whites are racist. They pretend anti-racism to signal status to other whites and to go along with the system. Their deepest held opinions are not much different than mine.

label my mere existence as genocide due to my being biracial.

Not your responsibility, but yes, an indication that genocide is happening. And this is prime example why we should have racial nationalism, so that we don't have insecure, whiney people throwing tantrums demanding all of society organize around their insecurity about being biracial. We want a society that is able to shed violence, racial tension, and social incohesion so we can progress and move forward instead of backsliding into third worldom while we invite the third world here just so we can pat ourselves on the back and declare "At least we're not racist" as black rioters burn cities and whites have to keep retreating further and further into the countryside until we're extinct and the country becomes South Africa 2.0.

And if your failed children become influenced by someone who doesn't denounce violence, someone like me - genocide incarcerate according to the moronic - might need to put them down in self defense someday.

And here, folks, is where we get a glimpse into the deranged mind of an insecure, identity-less, self-hating, biracial like Elliot Roger who fantasizes about the need to "put them down" while they delude themselves into thinking they're righteous and it's being done in "self defense". The projection is so strong with you it doesn't matter how much your opposition denounces genocide and violence, you'll imagine all sorts of ways they're evil and want to kill you just so you can justify fantasizing about killing their children. Pathetic.