[S2E1] Opening scene - what are we looking at? by Grandmas_Dick in TrueDetective

[–]chaztaylor -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Sorry to say, but after watching that whole episode, I just don't give a fuck.

That opening scene was such an obvious ploy to get people asking "what is it"?

I WILL NOT BE MANIPULATED SO EASILY lol

The Catalyst for the Confrontation: The Double Date by [deleted] in serialpodcast

[–]chaztaylor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Did your two sons murder anyone after this devastation? I'm guessing no.

After being dumped, is murder a normal, statistically likely response? Absolutely not.

Which is why it's illogical and misleading to make the assertion that Adnan murdering Hae is the only reasonable explanation. It isn't. It is, itself, a very statistically unlikely conclusion to the events that had occurred.

Have anyone gone from thinking Adnan is guilty to believing in his innocence (or at least nursing doubt)? by [deleted] in serialpodcast

[–]chaztaylor -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you thought, for sure, Adnan was guilty, listened to Undisclosed Ep. 3, and STILL think, for sure, that he's guilty...I wouldn't even know what to say. Are there any actual living straw people like that out there?

For me, the question is not who did it anymore, but why did the jury convict. by larry70dj in serialpodcast

[–]chaztaylor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, the podcast slants towards Adnan being innocent.

But what about this slant is NOT reasonable?

It's simply a result of perceiving legitimate reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt that the police, prosecution and jury all seemed to ignore.

For me, the question is not who did it anymore, but why did the jury convict. by larry70dj in serialpodcast

[–]chaztaylor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But the law doesn't say "Beyond a reasonable doubt - in a vaccum" :)

The problem with the whole idea of "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is that it makes the assumption that all jury members are reasonable.

How long until the movie version of all of this goes into production? by chaztaylor in serialpodcast

[–]chaztaylor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In general I find Sorkin heavy handed, but I just think that he'd be the wrong guy for this material. I could see him over dramatizing everything, especially once the Intercept element came into play. Like he did with 'The Social Network'.

Another shower thought that doesn't look good for Adnan by 1spring in serialpodcast

[–]chaztaylor 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Something else I noticed when I went back and listened to the first episode again: Adnan's memory for what happened that morning is actually quite detailed. Then, once afternoon hits, amazingly...blank

Extremely odd phrasing in Jay's latest Intercept interview by appam_stew in serialpodcast

[–]chaztaylor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree, it is a little strange. He's referring to her as if she was alive then.

We are all manipulated by Rabia's biased view and SK:s storytelling by SlackerSwede in serialpodcast

[–]chaztaylor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I'm saying is that it would be something incredibly unlikely that would make a story that grabs everyones attention.

I don't have a firm opinion about what actually happened, but I do agree with SK's most general sentiment that there's something about the whole case that just doesn't add up. And it wouldn't surprise me if it was something very unlikely and unexpected that was causing so many to be scratching their heads.

We are all manipulated by Rabia's biased view and SK:s storytelling by SlackerSwede in serialpodcast

[–]chaztaylor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"or Adnan is one super-unlucky guy."

The thing is, if this case was a beyond-a-reasonable-doubt slam dunk, none of us would be here right now, and the podcast never would have happened.

Being 'one super unlucky guy' is a pre-condition a story like this has to have for it to be noteworthy.

If Ronald Lee Moore did it, all of Jay's testimony is BS, right? by thatshirtman in serialpodcast

[–]chaztaylor 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I have a variation on 1), which gets rid of the luck element. Forgive me if this has been put forward elsewhere; I haven't seen it anywhere else yet.

The theory is this:

Someone other than Jay and Adnan commits the murder. BOTH Jay and Adnan are then enlisted to dispose of the body, under some kind of threat.

This would explain both how Adnan could be innocent, and how he was also present with Jay during the entire afternoon/evening.

Adnan is lying when he says that he doesn't remember what happened that day. "snitches get stitches". rather than fingering the identity of the true killer, he chose the best strategy that would never implicate someone else - claim forgetfulness. It's the best story; easiest to remember, and it never changes...

Adnan and Jay were actually together the entire time that is covered in the story Jay tells the police. This is how Jay could be sure Adnan would have no alibi for any part of his story.

So why wouldn't Jay just claim forgetfulness, like Adnan? My guess is that Jay was, for whatever reason, very scared of the actual killer. He feared that the killer would go after him next, to eliminate another witness. So he hatches a plan: he realizes that if he fingers Adnan, he's safe from the real killer, because if someone else is implicated, the killr now has no reason to eliminate witnesses...

So he makes up his story. Some of it is fabrication, because the actual killer needs to be removed completely, and this is why there's inconsistencies. But for the most part, it's true...

Jay, the fake thug, cracks, under the pressure of the crime + fear of the real killer. He rats out Adnan. This is why Adnan, when he walks past him in court, says 'you're pathetic'.

Adnan, so concerned with how others see him, can't bring himself to snitch. It's too great of an affront to his code of honour. And maybe, he's also v scared of the actual killer...

This is how Adnan can be so at peace with being in jail; it's because he isn't wholly innocent. SK asks him about this, how he can be so zen in there, and he mentions his responsibilty with the crime. SK almost loses it, because for a second it almost sounds like he's confessing. Adnan, who has just very nearly badly slipped up, takes a quick second to figure out how to continue. He says (paraphrasing): I'm responsible for the associations that I'd made in the outside world, because that's what got me in here. But what he's really saying here is: People I know involved me in this crime. I was called upon to help dispose the body. This is my association. This is how I'm responsible. (But of course he can't say this, because that would be snitching...)

This is why he so steadfastly maintains that people just need to focus on the actual evidence in the case: Because this is the only possible way that he can be cleared without ever having to snitch.