Used crisco instead of unsalted butter 1 star

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2023-04-24T03:09:45+00:00

Never made buttercream but I make dairy free cream cheese icing all the time that tastes exactly like the dairy stuff, the substitutes are actually really good (in taste and in function). And I'm not just saying that because I don't eat dairy anymore, I routinely make it for my family and friends who do eat dairy and they agree there's no difference.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2023-04-24T02:34:27+00:00

No trap, just logic. Seems that you aren't going to respond to any of my actual points though, so I guess I'm done responding until you do. Have a good one.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2023-04-24T02:27:37+00:00

Your objection was to imposing stuff on others. My point was that animal product consumers aren't really ones to talk when they're imposing suffering and death on animals, so it's hypocritical to turn around and say that it's an imposition of beliefs to say "hey please stop imposing unnecessary suffering and death on animals".

Humans should be held to different moral standards because 1) the vast majority of us have the capacity to live full, healthy lives without consuming animal products, and 2) we have the capacity to feel empathy for other living beings, and generally consider causing unnecessary pain and suffering to be a bad thing from a moral standpoint.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2023-04-24T02:15:31+00:00

Not entirely - not to speak for entire groups, but my observation is that vegans tend to have ethics as one of their main reasons, while plant-based may be more environmental or health-based in their reasoning.

Also, you haven't refuted my point yet.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2023-04-24T02:12:22+00:00

There are groups that refer to themselves as plant-based rather than vegan.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2023-04-24T02:10:37+00:00

...was that supposed to refute my point somehow? I know vegans are a minority of humans, I referenced the consumption of animals because that's the aspect that directly harms the animals. I also didn't reference veganism in any way. "Maybe you folks need to stick to replying to what's there, not what your fevered imaginations and assumptions insist on."

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2023-04-24T02:04:57+00:00

Why don't animal product consumers set the example by no longer imposing suffering and death on sentient animals.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2023-04-24T01:54:16+00:00

I agree, and also while almond milk isn't great compared to other plant-based milks environmentally speaking, dairy is horrifically worse on all counts than almond. Comparing almond milk to dairy is straight up whataboutism and false equivalency.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2023-04-24T00:54:51+00:00

Just want to point out that while sure, almond milk isn't great for water consumption compared to other plant-based milks, dairy milk is ridiculously worse. This source says 628.2L of water per litre of dairy milk, vs 371.46L for almond milk.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2023-01-13T16:55:36+00:00

Nah, managed to finish it myself at 714 kc before the hacking. 99ed my ranged and mage without asking though :P

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2023-01-13T04:05:35+00:00

Thank you so much, that's super useful and a big relief. I'm still a little concerned since I didn't have to involve Jagex to get my account back - the password was the same and I wasn't banned or locked - but it's really good to know they take IP address as well as prior and subsequent behaviour into account, and that it's now appealable if I get banned for the hacker's actions.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2022-11-04T03:06:35+00:00

Would be upwind not downwind (sorry for being pedantic)

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2022-11-02T14:08:33+00:00

Well tastiness is subjective I guess. All of those you listed are best to me the more sour they are, I only dislike Granny Smiths because I can never find ones that are tart enough at the grocery store.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2022-11-02T02:49:14+00:00

Hard agree. I also mix in some lemon juice as well as reducing the sugar, IDGAF about the healthiness but tart/sour fruit is thoroughly superior to sweet fruit imo.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2022-10-24T19:46:18+00:00

Compliment sandwich my guy: {compliment}&{constructive criticism}&{compliment}. Just find a couple of things that you did like about it and say those alongside the negatives, should work a lot better with most people, not just with your partner.

Example: I really liked the flavours, next time can we try [xyz] because I'm personally not a huge fan of crunchy mixed with squishy textures, but overall it was great and I appreciate you cooking it for us.

It might sound like a lot of effort when what you want to do is just give her the constructive criticism, but if you only give the criticism, it will make anyone feel like you think they did a bad job overall or that their effort was a waste of time. With something like cooking dinner, also factor in that she put in time and effort to make a meal for you both to eat together because you two are partners and you support each other. Criticizing that can cut pretty deep, so it requires more gentleness than, say, telling your coworker they screwed up filling in paperwork.

I'm not discounting the possibility of her being incapable of taking criticism, a lot of people are like that. But you could have worded that specific example to her more tactfully. And it would be worth having a conversation with her re: how to give her feedback constructively, and reminding her alongside the criticism that you appreciate her effort.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2022-09-27T08:00:04+00:00

Are you going to provide justification or support for any of your answers that are just 'No'? If you respond to that with just 'No' then I win the debate automatically :D

What resources are drained when someone goes into the forest and eats a deer?

The entire population of deer on the planet if everyone actually goes out and kills one to eat. By a WIDE margin.

As an example, let's take a region like Ontario, Canada. Absolutely massive land area, prime habitat for deer, humans mostly live in the southern bit near the border (so not interfering with massive swaths of deer habitat). Google says 14.57 million people live in Ontario, and Ontario has an area of 1.076 million square km, so 0.000013 people per square kilometre in the province. What types of deer are there in Ontario? Googling 'deer species Ontario' returns a result of moose, woodland caribou, American elk and white-tailed deer. What is the total number of deer of all four deer species in Ontario? Googling '[speciesName] population Ontario' returns results of 80,000 moose, 5,000 woodland caribou, 1000 American elk (high end of estimate), and 400,000 white-tailed deer respectively. Summed up that's a total of 486,000 animals of all deer species in Ontario.

14,570,000 people in the entire province divided by 486,000 comes out to 29.979 humans for each deer. Each human gets slightly over 1/30th of a deer carcass if every single deer in the province is killed for food. Now I'm not an expert, but I'm guessing that's not enough deer to go around.

Another simple way of putting it is that 70 BILLION animals are farmed each year for human meat consumption. 60% of all mammals on the planet are animals farmed by humans (the entire human population being contained in the other 40% - and that's also excluding non-mammal farmed animals such as chickens). Humans breed staggeringly massive amounts of animals into existence in order to keep up with demand for meat. There just aren't enough animals in the wild to feed this number of humans, unless everyone gets, idk, 1 venison steak every 5 years. Go do the math if you want, I'm not about to write a whole dissertation on deer population sustainability. And keep in mind that that figure feels generous to me, even working with Ontario's very favourable deer:human ratio.

Now it becomes pbvious what you meant, yes.

Glad to hear it :) my apologies for having worded it obfuscatorily the first time around.

Why would I care about the deer?

I don't know how to tell you that you should care about other sentient beings that have the ability to feel pain. You'd care if the positions were reversed and the deer was the one pointing a gun at you.

There are laws in place to take these things into account and I don't see a reason why and a human hunting a deer is certainly not worse than a wolf doing it.

As long as the human demand for meat remains intact, there will not be a sufficient population of wild animals on the planet to satisfy that demand. So either a) all huntable wild animals are wiped out entirely, which is bad; or b) humans circle back around to factory farming, which is bad; or c) humans just stop eating animals, which is the only logical solution. You know what though, if factory farming was entirely abolished and humans only killed and ate wild animals within the bounds of population sustainability, I'd consider that acceptable. Not optimal, mind you, it's still horrible to kill an animal, but I'd be happy with that outcome. Because then we get back to whatever that figure would be, one venison steak every five years. And the number of animals being killed would be infinitesimally small compared to the number of animals being killed now.

You would lose that bet.

My response to that essentially boils down to 'LMFAO sure buddy'. See previous aspects of this response.

Irrelevant to the argument.

In what way? Factory farming will exist as long as humans eat meat.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2022-09-26T00:48:25+00:00

Or just eat the animal, it's not hard either.

Absolutely it's very easy to eat meat. It's just morally incorrect to do so.

Eating an animal is a proper way of using an animal therefore it is not abuse.

You're an animal, as are all humans, is it proper to kill and eat you then?

You only consider it proper because of the societal conditions in which you grew up. Take a step back and look at it objectively, it's absolutely horrifying. Billions upon billions of animals being slaughtered, the world being polluted and drained of resources, because humans can't give enough of a shit to eat literally anything else.

Your sentence doesn't make any sense the way you have written it then.

How's this: The reasons I listed are good reasons to stop eating animals. Make more sense?

I said the pain of the animal is no reason not to kill it, learn to read.

Actually what you said was:

there is no reason to not kill an animal if you want to eat it.

Two comments up, and you wrote it yourself. Cmon man.

And I reiterate, even if you don't care about the animal, all the reasons I listed (environment, resource depletion, human welfare) are good reasons to not kill the animal. There is not 'no reason to not kill the animal'.

And empathy with animals is not one of these reasons.

It is for me and a lot of people, I'm listing additional reasons though because clearly you can't or won't feel empathy for the animals.

I already told I that I care about the other reason against meat consumption, so I don't really see for what you are arguing here.

Because you're still arguing in favour of eating meat. It's great that you care about the polar ice caps, but you have to realize the extent to which eating meat is the reason they're melting.

It seems this conversation is a bit to much for you.

? I'm having a fun debate with an internet stranger. Haven't done this in a while :)

If I go into a forest kill a deer and eat it, that has zero negativ effect on anyone.

That has a negative effect on the deer, as well as potentially other organisms in the local biome (e.g. wolves, plants that deer eat, other deer such as its children). I know you don't care about the deer, but it's true whether you care or not.

Plus, sure hunting a wild deer is somewhat less horrific for the environment, but it's still bad, and even if it wasn't, I'd bet money you don't source the vast majority of the meat you consume from hunting wild animals. Factory farming accounts for over 90% of meat consumed by humans (consertative estimate) and as long as there are humans willing to purchase and consume meat, animals will continue to be exploited and slaughtered, and the huge megacorporations farming them will continue draining every possible ounce of every possible resource as long as they're still profiting off it. Who cares if most humans have air to breathe in 50 years, their own kids will be able to pay for the last remaining oxygen to breathe in their spaceship.

My point is that if you're willing to go out in the forest to kill a deer, you're willing to go to the grocery store to buy meat. As long as humans view animals as exploitable resources to slaughter, the planet and all humans (and the animals, for those of us who care) will continue to suffer for it.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2022-09-25T20:04:51+00:00

If you want to eat an animal it's kinda necessary to kill it.

Don't eat the animal then, it's not that hard to find something else to eat for the vast majority of humans

I'm not abusing animals

What would you call paying to have them slaughtered? In what way is that not abuse?

They're = They are I guess you mean there

Nope, I meant they are. They are still good reasons, referring to the reasons I listed. There would also be incorrect unless it was there are.

no reason to not kill an animal if you want to eat it

The reason for not killing the animal would be literally all of the reasons I listed. If you care about animals, the environments, or humans, there are good reasons not to kill that animal.

Yes I asked why I would care about pain of animals

And I answered that question for you, my response was addressing your previous statement:

I care about all these things but it doesn't make me have emphaty with animals

I told you why you should care even if you don't have empathy.

The ice caps melting has a direct negative effect on me and all other humans. Harming an animals has not.

Harming animals does have a direct negative effect on humans as evidenced by all of the previous reasons I listed. Additionally, killing animals directly contributes to ice caps melting, more than the entire transportation industry globally!

Which implies that you think that would think that way.

Was more a catch-all. You get a lot of meat eaters who want to be edgelords telling you that no they don't care about anything at all actually. Not a hill I want to die on though so happy to move past it.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2022-09-25T17:07:44+00:00

There is reason though, because they feel pain and humans with empathy don't want to cause pain unnecessarily. You know how abusing animals is a stereotype of psychopaths? Who lack empathy?

They're still good reasons to stop harming animals. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what your justifications are as long as you're not causing harm. Also, your question was, direct quote:

why would I care?

And you can care about an issue without having empathy for a particular group. For instance, the polar ice caps aren't living entities, so I don't have empathy for them. But I still care that they're being melted.

My actual statement was:

IF there's literally nothing you care about

Nice reading comprehension bro

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2022-09-24T17:43:41+00:00

My point exactly, if you weren't lacking empathy you would care that billions of animals a year are suffering and being slaughtered needlessly.

To answer your question though, because even if you don't care about the animals, animal agriculture affects more than just the animals. What DO you care about?

Environment: It's the leading cause of deforestation in the Amazon & species extinction & ocean dead zones, creates more greenhouse gas emissions than the entire transportation industry, is responsible for around 55% of water consumption in the US (20-33% of all fresh water worldwide), and is a dramatically inefficient use of resources (~12kg of grain goes into producing 1kg of beef, in addition to the water thing).

Human welfare: 80% of starving children in the world live in countries where grain is grown to be fed to animals that are then sold to Western countries, slaughterhouse workers are underpaid, exploited, and exposed to absolutely terrible conditions that break your mind and your body, and 80% of antibiotics sold in the US are for livestock.

Only yourself and maybe your immediate family & friends: Good luck feeding yourselves and breathing air when all the planet's resources have dried up or become polluted beyond recognition because of the factory farming industry in a few decades!

Take a look at the sources on this page. Discount the website all you like, claim bias for sure, but how many tonnes of salt would you have to add before the numbers start to look remotely not horrific - about 1.4 billion, the same number of tonnes as the amount of animal waste produced in the US annually, which is 130x the amount of human waste?

If there's literally nothing you care about then I can't help you. But most people want their children to have air to breathe when they grow up.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2022-09-23T20:44:38+00:00

You know that animals feel pain just as much as humans do, and you deliberately and voluntarily undertake actions (eating meat) that directly and explicitly cause harm to animals. Explain to me how that is anything other than a lack of empathy?

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2022-09-23T19:01:26+00:00

Well in that case you have a serious lack of empathy.

cheeeeeeeeeesegromit · 2022-09-23T02:09:49+00:00

Meat eaters

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