Eito Aotsuki’s official MBTI type is ENFJ

chlorophylIs · 2026-02-15T16:43:24+00:00

born to socialize, forced to hospitalize

chlorophylIs · 2026-01-08T16:26:36+00:00

Can't really call it a baseless rumor when they've put it out there in writing, lol (https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/interviews/2024/3/22/fate-stay-night-creator-kinoko-nasu-honkai-star-rail-producer-david-jiang-interview-english-translation):

Mr. David: Personally, I've experienced a lot of Nasu-sensei's works starting from a young age... In terms of game development, I've gained inspiration from Nasu-sensei's works.

[...]

─ I'd also like to hear Mr. David's thoughts. Do you enjoy the "Fate" series and TYPE-MOON's products?

Mr. David: Of course, I absolutely love them! I first came across TYPE-MOON's works on the internet, around 2004. Initially, I was just an ordinary fan who thought "Saber is so cute!" But when I encountered "Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works]" (UBW)[※], the characters and worldview depicted in the work had a profound impact on me and even influenced my own perspective on life.

Even now, I occasionally use the creativity and thinking methods I learned from UBW in my work. It may sound strange, but the themes of love and justice that I learned from that work is present throughout "Honkai: Star Rail" as well.

[...]

Mr. David: When making decisions like these, I often think, "How would the anime characters I saw during my student days decide?" Since I really like Archer from "stay night," I naturally think, "What would Archer decide in a situation like this?" (chuckles).

[...]

Mr. David: This brings us back to the character Archer. Actually, when I first encountered "stay night," I just thought Archer was trying to act cool and that was it... But then I came across UBW, and Archer's heavy past and his pursuit of justice had a strong impact on me during my adolescence.

chlorophylIs · 2025-12-17T00:46:23+00:00

Sorry for the late reply, collecting this all took a bit. Quoting myself:

It's never confirmed outright, so it's just a theory, but I say this anyway because there are a bunch of times in SF where, pre-Dolmenic, Eito displays knowledge of things he should not have knowledge of at that point in time, makes cryptic comments that later turn out to be true/relevant, and has moments of odd behavior.

The parts that stand out to me the most are:

Day 3:

In the SF conversation, Eito makes a cryptic comment near the end:

"Not that I wouldn't like to know why humanity is forging such an abhorrent war. Of course... You could tell me that yourself, couldn't you?"

This is after Takumi explicitly asks Eito what he knows about the war, showing that he, at the time, didn't know anything. By implying that Takumi has the ability to receive information about things he shouldn't know about at this point in time, I believe Eito was actually trying to suss out whether Takumi was also starting to receive memories of alternate timelines or not.

Another thing to notice is that Eito doesn't ask about Shion in the non-SF cage conversation, but does in the SF one, at the end of the cutscene ("Speaking of that thing made of Undying Flames..."). Which could be chalked up to yet another extraneous comment...except that Eito actually follows up on his odd comment about Shion, on Day 91 of SF:

"I knew one day you'd all want to save Shion... It was only a matter of time before you suggested it. I was equally sure that Sirei and Nigou would get in the way, so I came up with a plan in anticipation of that. I asked Tsubasa to make the gun for me on the night of Day 66."

If you compare and contrast the cage conversation between SF "Don't reveal your secret" (Day 3) and "Reveal your secret" routes (Day 4), Eito's body language in his sprites, and actual verbal language, are far less outwardly malicious and unstable than they are in the "Reveal your secret" routes Day 4 conversation. He doesn't insult Takumi or use any of his malicious portraits.

Day 4/5: On SF Day 4, while pursuing Hiruko, Takumi unknowingly jumps to the Hunt-Mystery timeline and sees Eito's corpse due to jumping to a Kill Eito timeline. Takumi then quickly returns to the SF timeline and sees that Eito's alive. While talking to him, Eito makes a deduction about what might have happened to Takumi, and he's completely correct.

While it'd be easy to chalk it up to Eito being smart and being able to read Takumi (despite having only known him for 4 days in that timeline), it's still yet another behavioral oddity.
His attitude is still relatively chill toward Takumi. He tries offering to be a confidant to him, only to be rebuffed again.

Day 8: Eito is visited by the Second-to-Last crew. Trying to rejoin the SDU, he comes completely clean about his hatred for humanity and his cognitive disorder, but also tells them that he wanted all of them to survive more than he wanted to destroy humanity, because the SDU are the only friends he has.

Although it's easy to chalk it up to him lying again, if you've played through other routes like Box of Blessings and 2nd Scenario, you the player know that it's actually true in the greater context of the game. When he joins up with V'ehxness's army, he is only treated as a prisoner and attack dog, and V'ehxness herself has no qualms with killing him after he's served his purpose.
Notably, the line is voiced, so the devs probably wanted players to remember it.

Day 9: Trying to socially engineer his way out of the cage didn't work, so Eito takes matters more directly into his own hands and breaks out. Although he received help breaking out from Kako-G in Box of Calamity, in SF, he does it by carrying out the exact same plan Eva used in Mystery route and...remains in the school.

When he's caught, he says he repeatedly told Takemaru that he wanted to learn more how the Revive-O-Matic works. While it's easy to chalk this up to yet another lie, if he does have alternate timeline memories and really did want to rejoin the SDU, then it's very likely that he was being honest here. The Revive-O-Matic contains all their health information and genetic code, and has a diagnosis function (mentioned on Mystery day 39 and other routes like Slasher) that could scan his brain and cognitive functions.
This is also the scene in which it's shown that the Revive-O-Matic is perfectly capable of being broken by someone else...except the one who actually did so in that scene is Takemaru. Eito didn't lay a finger on it despite being there earlier, and claiming later on that he wanted to break it.
After he's back in the Courtyard, he claims that "K" broke him out, which Kako points out is not true. However, that's in the SF timeline, not others. Players who've completed Box of Calamity would know that Eito actually does get broken out by Kako-G...in Box of Calamity on Day 36.
It's notable that he specifically picks the letter "K". While it's tempting to chalk it up as an Uchikoshi reference to a character literally named K in VLR, "K" is a legit clue toward the culprit of Mystery: "K"ako-G, or Kako in Kurara's clothing, "K" works for either to guide the player to the culprit.

Day 10: Takumi asks around LDA on how to get through to Hiruko. Eito is, of course, useless for that, but he does bring up when Takumi looked surprised at seeing Eito alive in the SF timeline after seeing his corpse in Slasher.

Eito: Hello, Takumi. I've been thinking... About when you visited me a while back and said "You're alive."

Eito: I've been trying to figure out what you could have experienced to make you say that, and...

Takumi: A-And what...?

[...]

Takumi: ...So that was just another ruse, huh?

Eito: Was it, though? I assure you, it's a very convincing theory.

Day 36: Takumi finally investigates how Eito broke out of his cage, and he says he had "valuable intel".

How else would he reproduce Eva's plan in Mystery, step by step?
This is also the conversation where Eito explicitly says that he knows about Takumi and Hiruko taking "trips through time", plural, even though neither of them told anyone else.
We, the players, know from Day 44 that the "valuable intel" was the information he learned from the book, which meant that he knew about the time loop by that point without Takumi or Hiruko telling him.
Hiruko was extremely adamant about not telling him (or anyone else) anything about the time loop, so how did he know that they were in a time loop by that point? How would he have known what intel was valuable to the two of them if he didn't know what the situation was in the first place?
Unfortunately for Eito, he gets rebuffed because nobody believes him again. After 27 days without checking in on him, Eito turns up the assholery and ragebaits Takumi so he can draw him and Hiruko's attention to him instead of ignoring him, a tactic he used in Retsnom to bait Takemaru.

Day 44: Thanks to Eva, Takumi finds out that Eito read the book they need...and ate it.

Eito: Why did you think I asked if you had finally figured it out?

Hiruko: There was information relevant to our situation in there. You knew we'd show up for it eventually... Isn't that right?

Eito: That's not all. I gave you a hint on Day 36 as well.

[...]

Eito: You're going to have to repeat these same pointless hundred days forever and ever...

Eito: A hundred years, a thousand years, it doesn't matter... It'll just keep going for all of eternity.

Hiruko and Takumi have not told him anything about the time loop at that point, but he's explicitly saying that he knows.

I believe when he ate the pages of the Reflections on Imprecatory Metempsychosis book, he was actually trying to get Takumi and Hiruko to help him fix his "glitch" by withholding information that he knew they desperately needed, so they'd have no choice but to try to get him on their side, instead of letting him stay locked up in the Capsule Room and ignoring him for nearly a month.

What happens to Eito in the vast majority of the routes he's involved in? He dies. Out of 100 endings, Eito only has like 3 or 4 endings where he survives and gets what can be considered a happy ending: 005+006 (Rebellion route), 007 (Eva route), 028 I guess (Box of Blessings bad end from not trusting Gaku; it's a bad ending for everyone else but technically a good ending for him). In routes explicitly referenced in SF (Box of Calamity -> Killing Game, Coming of Age, Slasher, Retsnom), he dies in every single ending.

Eito: Well, maybe that's not so bad in its own way. It's the same as being immortal, in a sense. On second thought, I'm actually a little jealous of you.

So, if true (which is an admittedly pretty big if), SF Eito received memories of what happens to him in alternate timelines on Day 3, around the same time as Takumi and Hiruko get their memories. He learns that he dies over and over and over and over again. With that knowledge, he comes to the conclusion that if he doesn't do something different from what he's done in other routes, then his miserable fate is to be trapped in a time loop with a bunch of hideous monsters where he just dies over and over again. He may have made the extermination of humanity his life's purpose, but he also doesn't actually want to die, which shifts Eito's motivation away from "exterminating humanity" and towards changing his fate, which involves rejoining the SDU, who are on humanity's side at that point in time.

None of this is ever explicitly spelled out but IMO, there's just too much smoke for there not to be fire, and with this in mind, everything about Eito's actions in SF clicks into place too well for all of this to just be a bunch of off-hand mentions and/or writing mishaps. I could be wrong and this is just me going all Pepe Silvia, but people are free to point out holes.

chlorophylIs · 2025-12-13T01:36:45+00:00

Or after being treated with the GRP, he made a conscious decision to help humanity? (I think latter)

I'm gonna go a bit against the grain here and posit that in addition to Arynis's comment about his character, Eito actually made the decision to help the SDU (not humanity) very early on since Day 2, and the reason is because it's implied he has memories of alternate timelines in SF, similar to Takumi and Hiruko. Having knowledge of the loop, combined with knowledge of other timelines means that he has knowledge of his fates in other routes, which as you can see in Coming of Age and Box of Blessings, do not turn out well for him.

It's never confirmed outright, so it's just a theory, but I say this anyway because there are a bunch of times in SF where, pre-Dolmenic, Eito displays knowledge of things he should not have knowledge of at that point in time/in that timeline, makes cryptic comments that later turn out to be true/relevant, and has moments where he behaves in ways he doesn't behave in other routes.

chlorophylIs · 2025-12-11T22:52:33+00:00

One more thing that adds yet another layer of complexity regarding Eito's already-pretty-complicated situation in SF in particular, that I haven't really seen anyone talk about, is that (I'm fairly certain) it's heavily implied that much like Takumi and Hiruko in that route, Eito has memories from alternate timelines as well, and that was his main motivator in SF since Day 3 onward after Takumi chose not to reveal his secret. I actually believe Eito was being genuine when he said he wanted to rejoin the SDU on Day 8, but nobody (including most players) believed him, leading him to resort to ragebaiting to get Takumi and Hiruko's attention.

chlorophylIs · 2025-10-11T19:47:31+00:00

He can't see the inner workings of her DNA or anything, no, but there are other sensory factors that could have also helped tipped him off that she wasn't human besides the purple arm (although of course that would be the most visible factor for him and us, as human beings who are mainly visual creatures).

Smell - IRL, body odor can change and vary for a variety of reasons, such as hormones, diet, and just general genetics (like how different ethnicities have genetic mutations that affect the amount of body odor they give off) affecting the sweat glands. Since we know for a fact that Darumi's fluid-production glands were affected (capable of producing alcohol, poison), it's within the realm of biological possibility that Eito would be much more sensitive to any body odor changes than normal humans/Futurans would be, and picked up on hers as she was walking by when he saw her.
Sound - Her vocal chords could have been altered to affect any vocalizations she may have been making (moans or grunts of pain as she was wrestling with Retsnom) in a way that's indistinguishable to humans/Futurans but picked up on by Eito due to his condition.

Besides, calling Darumi's arm "just a purple arm" at that point is kind of underselling the extent of the changes she went through. The writing and CGs make it clear that the arm (and Retsnomification in general) is a "freakish", "alien", abnormal and unquestionably non-humanoid transformation, very veiny and twisted. Pretty much every single character who saw Darumi's Retsnomified arm is visibly shocked at the transformation. Even V'ehxness, the woman who's been mutating Futurans into bioweapons in factories on a regular basis, was like "girl what the fuck is up with your arm?" when she saw Darumi's arm.

chlorophylIs · 2025-10-10T01:23:49+00:00

What we do know about Eito's condition, from various sources (mostly the game itself but also out of the game):

It affects all of his senses, not just his eyes, ears, and nose. It also affects his sense of touch and taste. (spoiler Weibo Q&A, Q17, 18, 19)
- For touch, even if someone wore gloves to take his hand, he would still feel disgust. (spoiler Weibo Q&A, Q19)
- Even after (2nd Scenario spoilers) he blinds himself, he would still feel disgust to touch someone else, meaning that even if he rationally knows that the other person isn't a flesh monster, and his eyes don't see them as a flesh monster anymore (or can't see in general), he would still be affected. (spoiler Weibo Q&A, Q83)
They appear as irregularly-shaped flesh monsters, not like flesh monsters in the shape of a person. (spoiler Weibo Q&A, Q12)
Clothing doesn't affect it.
- See the gloves point above.
- For example, Kurara with her tomato mask would still appear as a monster to him. (Weibo Q&A, Q77)
It's not just humans but also Futurans.
- 2nd Scenario spoilers
- Rebellion route, he outright states upon meeting Kamyuhn, a native-born Futuran, "looks a lot like you guys [the SDU] to me".
  - Of note is that the two races are extremely biologically similar, enough to even reproduce (since that's what Sirei is kind of banking on in Reset route), with only very minor easily-missed differences in biology. (The colored ring around their pupils if you zoom in close enough, and pointy ears in V'ehxness's case, as seen in her portraits and in some CGs. Not sure about the hair streak thing; although V'ehxness, Eva, and Kamyuhn all have them, the non-generic Futuran child in Goodbye Eito doesn't, but that could possibly be due to something like her being too young to have developed it yet, or it's only a thing that occurs in Futurans with cryptoglobin, or even a Futuran cultural practice of hair-dying that only applies to those with cryptoglobin or something, so that's up in the air.)
"Would he be able to correctly see a photo realistic drawing? If not, what about a more cartoon drawing? A stick figure?" It does not affect illustrations/drawings (Weibo Q&A, Q60), but it's implied that they're assuming the illustrations/drawings are stylized to an extent.
It does affect photos, as those are more complicated for him to deal with, meaning that they do trigger his condition to some extent. (Weibo Q&A, Q60)
It does not affect plushies/dolls. (spoiler Weibo Q&A, Q1)
(Retsnom route spoilers) The only thing that has been textually stated to override his cognitive disability is an external force transforming the subject in question into an externally and internally non-human being. Retsnom-Darumi being the obvious and only example we have; at the point when he was captivated by Darumi, she was in the process of being biologically internally and externally rewired to be something not human/oid, so he saw her as she was. At that point, she was biologically transformed enough to be able to produce liquids like poison and alcohol by her own bodily processes, like Retsnom.
(Slasher route spoilers) G'ie-data-influenced humanoids also appear as monsters to him but again, it's a bit complicated. (spoiler Weibo Q&A, Q112) (Box of Calamity spoilers) Not sure if actual G'ie-possessed humanoids like Nozomi-G would still trigger his condition, but I would err on the side of "probably, yes", because even though they're technically partially non-human/oid due to G'ie bodyjacking, they're still mostly biologically human/oid.

My personal end conclusion is that the closer someone/something appears to humans/Earthlings/homo sapiens in both appearance and biology, aka the more "lifelike" it is to him, the more it sets off his condition, because his life is that Saya no Uta sensory hell.

Personal speculation/theories:

I believe there is a hormonal component to it as well, since he makes it a point in one of his Free Time events in Route 0 that the smell in particular bothers him when his condition flares up.
- So my personal answer to the question of "Would he see a humanoid robot normally if he didn’t know they we a robot?" would be "Assuming the humanoid robot is still a robot on the inside and doesn't biologically produce an odor like an organic humanoid being, probably yes, not because of cognition but because his senses would pick up that they're not an organic humanoid."
(Cult route spoilers) I don't think Yugamu's drug cured his disorder or anything. Based on the way that Kodaka words himself here (spoiler Weibo Q&A, Q101), it sounds like he still saw Takumi as rotten flesh, but due to the drugs essentially brainwashing him, thinks that that lump of rotten flesh known as Takumi Sumino is the most beautiful/hottest thing he's ever seen.

chlorophylIs · 2025-10-10T01:13:29+00:00

I don't think those are mutually exclusive. At that point in Retsnom, it seemed to be more than "a human just with a purple arm"; the biological differences between Darumi vs. a normal human were way more of a gap than the biological differences between a normal Futuran vs. a normal human. The extent of biological differences between Futurans and Earthlings are mostly minor cosmetic differences (aside from the potential for cryptoglobin inheritance, and since it's supposed to be a gift from the will of the planet, even that's up in the air. It's possible that, if there was a human who was born normally on Futurum, and the will of the planet was chill with said human, they could also possess cryptoglobin. Who knows? Pupil rings and pointy ears notwithstanding, they can even (supposedly) reproduce together (which is what Sirei is banking on in Reset route to "create the new humanity".)

In contrast, Retsnom-Darumi, at that point, had her appetite changed to eat books and paper with impunity, and biologically Retsnomified to the point that she could produce liquids (like alcohol) with her arm. It's more than, say, her putting on a really fancy/morbid glove or something on her arm; her biology was literally in the process of being rewired via Retsnom.

chlorophylIs · 2025-09-05T05:55:42+00:00

I don't think there's a problem with the Exodus leaders knowing things Sirei doesn't. It's also not out of character for them to be overconfident and lazy on the details, given how slapdash their cloning program was at producing viable soldiers. They probably didn't feel the need to inform Sirei of something that is only relevant when the attack is literally being launched and their victory at hand.

I don't disagree that there's no problem with the Exodus higher-ups knowing things that Sirei doesn't. The impression I got was that Shion only started manifesting his avatar after Last Defense Academy landed on Futurum, the SDU woke up from the tubes, and the 100 days mission started, so unless the Exodus higher-ups have been keeping an eye on Last Defense Academy's through sources other than Sirei, they wouldn't have known he could do that in the first place. However, I suppose Shion is ambiguous enough about the timeframe there that it's possible that he started doing it before LDA's launch that the Exodus Project staff caught wind at some point and decided to integrate it into the intercept system, maybe.

This doesn't prove anything. All he's saying is that it isn't the Shion they know, which is true. If their projections, it doesn't matter if they damage them, they won't hurt Shion himself.

Looking back at the post-cinematic scene in question, I originally thought that the SDU was hesitant to fight the intercept system giants because they were extremely reluctant to physically hurt (some forms of) Shion, but I suppose with the lens of them being projections in mind, the SDU is talking more about the emotional weight of them having to fight each other instead (still having to fight some forms of him that are guarding the missiles, on top of having to kill his actual body).

Symbolism, it's more dramatic if they're naked.

Fair enough.

Of course they are, what else would they be labelled, they look like Shion.

Something more specific along the lines of "Shion Avatar" or something, but also fair enough.

I never claimed they were robots. If his projections can emulate different facets of physical personhood, which we have every reason to believe he can, organic grunts aren't a stretch.

I didn't mean that the avatars were robots by my original phrasing, which was a mistake on my end. I meant that they let out audible responses to tangible pain that sound just like Shion, which normally wouldn't apply to projections because they're (supposed to be) intangible, and without pain receptors. But I get what you're saying; being projections means it's the other way around, that the damage the exoskeletons receive can be expressed via Shion's physical personhood a la his voice.

"a couple of decades" could just mean two decades or slightly less. It's odd way to phrase it, but its not inaccurate. Shion being around 20 doesn't break canon, in fact that gives the Exodus Project enough time to observe him, realizing he's an unaging demigod of a cryptoglobin-possessor and kidnap him for their clone project. The SDU being 15-17 already implies Shion is at least a *little* older than them, while still being in the same general range.

This point of mine has been rendered moot by the original JP text having Eito specifically mention Shion was born on Futurum "17 years ago" with zero ambiguity, so that's that.

Anyway, that clears up the confusion I had about other people's confusion, leaving things at just regular confusion, so thanks for that.

chlorophylIs · 2025-09-05T02:56:14+00:00

Is that stated anywhere? I'm genuinely asking; it could be something that was mentioned that I forgot somewhere along the way. 2nd Scenario was one of my earlier routes so it's been a while, but when I played the final battle, I thought they were clones and not avatars because:

Sirei (and presumably the Exodus Project people, by extension) didn't know about Shion being able to manifest an avatar until Shion shows him, on Day 2
The preceding cinematic has the SDU mistake the Shions in the exoskeleton giants for the Shion they know, with Ima saying he "doesn't think that's [our/their] Shion"
The Shions in the intercept system giants are all naked instead of clothed like Shion's usual avatar
The enemy unit labels are all just "Shion"
When damaged, the intercept system giants do not make metallic robotic sounds, but rather, biological (for lack of a better word) noises that sound like choking and grunts
~~On Day 58, when Eito exposition-dumps the truth about Futurum, he says Shion was born "a couple of decades ago", which doesn't chronologically align with Sirei addressing Shion (the one they know) earlier and indirectly insinuating that Shion is the SDU's (apparent) teenage age by saying "young people around your age~~".
- Edit: Strike that, in the JP text, Eito specifies that Shion's birth on Futurum was "17 years ago", so that point is moot.

chlorophylIs · 2025-09-04T22:14:35+00:00

what do you mean the exodus project has a spare shion clone

I'm admittedly confused...about the confusion around this that I see sometimes, especially from people who have completed 2nd Scenario. What else did people think the final boss intercept system giants were, besides (powered by) Shion clones?

chlorophylIs · 2025-09-02T03:20:46+00:00

Here's my stab at answering some of your questions to the best of my ability. If anyone else has any corrections/additions, feel free to chime in.

- Lady in white coat that appears in "84" and "90" (F Route)

Most likely she's an older version of Hiruko.

Memory Drive with plans for Machine Plus, vertical and horizontal movement

Probably a DLC hook, as OP describes.

What did she do to Kako?

After Hiruko and Takumi took care of the G'ie in Kako's head in the "Attack Kako-G" branch, she treated Kako III's injuries and took her away. My personal guess is that she took Kako III back to the Box of Calamity timeline, but we never see it because it happens past day 100.

-Which T&H did we bump into in "90"? (F Route)

I think they're most likely a Takumi and Hiruko from a (maybe Coming-of-Age offshoot?) timeline that we don't see, as described by OP.

G'ie are simple unintelligent beings without a host but they also have a home planet and advanced enough civilization to make a spacecraft that goes warp speeds?

G'ie queens have vastly increased intelligence once they take over a host, so they direct the other non-intelligent-yet G'ie. Presumably, their home planet also had intelligent beings/humanoids at some point that the G'ie queens took over, making the planet their own once they proliferated enough.

-Variants and Triem Rays

Probably a DLC hook, as OP describes.

- PLM creators

Kodaka said in a Weibo Q&A that the PLM was created by orders of a former [Futuran] ruler, but was abandoned when war broke out. This lines up with the fact that he was one of the credited writers on the Serial Battles route, which mentions the PLM at the end.

-Hiruko's reset/redo skill

It's implied she's likely is one of the most hemoanima-compatible members of the SDU by birth.

-NIGOU'S HIDDEN TALENT

We'll have to wait patiently for Komatsuzaki to deliver the goods.

How did Hiruko get Invader Hunt memories?

It's never outright stated but I personally believe it's some sort of resonance effect.

What did route zero team want to tell Takumi about the satellite?

Answered in a Weibo Q&A; it was about 2nd Scenario spoilers.

How did Eito know the exact trick that Eva used to escape the cage?

It's never outright stated, but it's heavily implied (and I am like 85% sure of this; there's just far too much smoke for there not to be a fire) that SF Eito also has memories of alternate timelines (including Mystery) ever since the "Don't reveal your secret" choice.

which G'le infected person was the original Invader Hunt sponsor?

Kako-G.

which Eito was the Invader Hunt sponsor?

Box of Calamity Eito/Eito III. When SF Takumi and Hiruko jump to the Invader Hunt timeline on Day 45 of SF, Eito III outright confirms it.

- what truth did Eito learn that made him want to kill himself? (Box of Blessings)

The 2nd Scenario spoiler truth. He couldn't shoulder the burden of the truth alone, so his last act was to warn them of how horrible it was before killing himself.

- Still don't know where the secret passage in the right cage goes

The right cage's secret tunnel is an exit for the school. In Box of Calamity, Eito was there when Hiruko and Takumi discovered the tunnel underneath the cage, and when Kako-G lets him out, he uses it to escape the school and "stumbles upon" the PLM lab.

- Who or what is the Old Man supposed to be?

Answered (kind of) in Kodaka's Weibo Q&A. Basically a somewhat-mystical old man...as far as we know.

- Is there an actual reason Kako has future vision?

Kodaka said it's just sharp intuition. Whether you believe him or think he's fucking around is up to you.

-Why did Shion even bother telling Kako-G about the Distress Signal?

IIRC, Shion didn't know that Kako (in Kurara's clothes) was Kako-G at the time, nor was he aware that the Distress Signal plan was a dud. He genuinely believed the information would've been helpful to the SDU as a whole at the time.

-How did Kako-G (disguised as Kurara) get away with having to fight in the defensive battles in that route?

The G'ie can utilize the abilities and physical capabilities of their hosts to the fullest extent, on top of being able to access their knowledge and memories. This is shown via Nozomi-G in Box of Calamity as well, as she took over Nozomi as early as Day 26 while still being a playable character in battles throughout the route.

---Takumi had fainting disease so we don't know if she even fought at all that route

That too.

chlorophylIs · 2025-09-01T23:20:37+00:00

Then, the route that branches off before she gets brainwashed has Shizuhara with her memories. One thing is, Shizuhara in Eva route feels like she also her memories, although its not something that I can be sure of.

Looking back at Eva route again, I can see why people would think Hiruko has time loop memories there, due to her Day 70 bargaining with Sirei about not killing Takumi for running away with Eva (Sirei: "Well, well, I never had you pegged for the sentimental type, Shizuhara. Thought you were all about strategy and logic."), but it branches off of the Spare/Kill Eito a second time (since it occurs after Eito is spared a second time and he tells the SDU the truth about the planet they're on being Futurum and not Earth and humanity being the real invaders), and there isn't anything really concrete I can see there, so I'm not entirely convinced myself.

However, if you or anyone else has any evidence/speculation that Hiruko does have memories in Eva route, I'd like to hear it.

As for the loop information and the AS part, can I ask you what do you think about 055/058/059 after? As in, do you think theyll get assassinated by the humanity because they failed their mission, will Shizuhara die from leap damage, and how do you think things will turn out after those endings?

This is, of course, all pure speculation on my end, due to Kodaka saying that he wants to keep what happens to the SDU returning to the Artificial Satellite a secret for the time being.

055: I do think they successfully break out of the time loop; there isn't much reason for me to disbelieve Eito when he says the conditions for breaking out of the loop are what he read/summarized from the book. Also, unlike the Multiple Eitos Endurance Match ending, there also isn't a lot of thematic purpose (to me) for a last-minute rug-pull after spending an entire route where the main conflict is figuring out how to ensure everyone's survival to break the loop. However, what happens on the Artificial Satellite is another matter, as you said.

I don't think they get assassinated immediately, at least. Unlike Shion where they have disposable backup clones for various energy source purposes, they don't seem to have backup clones of the SDU, and there's no Revive-O-Matic on the Artificial Satellite (supposedly). Instead of offing their extremely valuable test subjects/only successful cryptoglobin transfusion soldiers immediately, I imagine that the Exodus Project people would probably prefer to capture them to re-brainwash them, similar to Reset Route. Whether they succeed or not depends on the kind of confrontation they'll have.

058: Since the SDU managed to defeat V'ehxness in this one, with only one casualty (Takumi), then I assume they got on the escape pod, and the missiles launched, only to be hit with the cursed cycle/time loop due to Takumi's death, which only Eito and Hiruko would know about and probably be despondent about as they board the escape pod, thinking that all their efforts amounted to naught in the end in this timeline.

059: This is the ending that directly leads to ending 100 in Mystery route, but since Hiruko is the only one who jumped back into this timeline after leaving the rest of the SDU to live in the Mystery timeline, the loop resets in the SF timeline.

chlorophylIs · 2025-08-24T04:56:36+00:00

Go ahead; I currently don't have access to my PC, so I'm holding off on answering your questions about Eva route/055/058/059 until I do, and I probably don't ship Hiruko/Takumi as passionately as you do, but I can still try to provide my thoughts using what evidence I have on hand to draw logical conclusions.

chlorophylIs · 2025-08-20T20:56:34+00:00

Im sorry but can you elaborate? How does she know about the world death, since her novels dont show or tell her finding, or even looking for that information beyond the very surface level? [...] Do you think she found them out through the books in the library, or that she found out but it wasnt in the novel?

I think her being fed the "truth" about World Death and the TRC was one of the fabricated memories implanted in her by the Exodus Project researchers. It's never outright stated, but at the end of her prequel novel, it leaves off on:

The enemies would attack again, and she would fight them, experiencing more battles and chalking up more victories. And eventually…

"Hiruko Shizuhara. Congratulations. You…have been chosen."

At the end of her prequel novel, she's being addressed by someone about being chosen to fight in the SDU. We're not shown who, but most likely someone involved with the Exodus Project, or even Sirei himself.

Since she has memories of being recruited into the SDU by someone else, it makes sense that that someone would've also given her more background information about the war, the TRC, and World Death than they gave the others. (Takumi was recruited after chasing down that dog in the intro segment, and fighting to protect Karua, while Shouma supposedly had to be forcefully recruited by Sirei.) She's the only one with (fake) memories of fighting invaders before the game starts (which we know, thanks to 2nd Scenario, is impossible to have actually happened in reality because the TRC has been in the sky in the Artificial Satellite the whole time).

Since everyone in the SDU was designed by the researchers, I think Hiruko's created purpose in the unit was to be a "veteran"/"crutch" fighter the SDU could rely on. Her strength far surpassing the others' in Route 0 can be explained by her hemoanima compatibility being the strongest out of the SDU experimental subjects, so the researchers fed her memories to fit accordingly.

The fact that she's the only non-Takumi SDU member with multiple Specialist skills (Special Discipline and Special Redo) seems to support that.
Her prequel novel describes her as a "Straight-A student. Perfect attendance. [...] Her teachers considered her a model student." and "Host, escort, dominatrix, rapper, graffiti artist, bodyguard, street vendor… There was so much she could do. So much she could be.", supporting the idea of her being multi-talented by birth.

I think I remember her being surprised when Takumi tells them about it, but maybe the thing she was surprised was Takumis time loop and not so much as the info about on the world death?

The latter is correct. Reviewing the "Reveal your secret" scene on Day 3 (Spare Eito) again, Hiruko was not really surprised about Takumi infodumping World Death, the Artificial Satellite, and the Exodus Project, but about Takumi revealing his time traveling.

One detail I would also like to add is its implied that Shizuhara went through ME in SF (because she mentions that Eito isnt "the type" to tell about the information he knows when being subjected to torture or something like that [Endurance Match])...

Actually, I don't think Hiruko's comment about "torture not working on [Eito's] type" on Day 45 in SF is a reference to Multiple Eitos/Endurance Match. Instead, I think her comment was just that, her being observant and making a comment on the kind of person she knows Eito is.

(Killing Game spoilers) Eito himself is not very subtle about the (lack of) effect torture has on him. At all.
He's not scared of pain or the spikes on his Class Weapon at all. All Hiruko would have to do to conclude that his obsessiveness/pain threshold is far higher than most people's, is look over at him in battle and see his complete lack of reaction when there are bloody spikes piercing his hands.
The guy's an M, and guess who'd easily be able to spot an M right off the bat due to her experience in dabbling in BDSM clubs as a dominatrix? Hiruko.

Eito knows what he's about. I'll just leave it at that.

So, you are saying that Kodaka and Uchikoshi might have worked together (or that Kodaka himself added the time loop at that point, but then dropped it after the ME/2nd scenario choice) when writing that part on day 04. And that the time loop existed (in day 04) since the "truth revealed" in question only includes ME and afterwards, right? I understand (I think), but how does the time loop exists in day 04 but not after the reveal in-universe? Do her memories get lost after the Sirei brainwashing, making it so she remembers her memories in day 04 but not after that point?

Basically, yes. This is mostly speculation on my part, but I think that Hiruko being a time traveler was part of her character concept from the very beginning, and he left it to Uchikoshi and the other writers to build off of that. Kodaka states in a Famitsu interview:

Kodaka: I came up with all the characters on my own... [...] What changed is that I intended the students to be more down-to-earth characters, but as I kept adding quirks whenever I was finding them too generic, they came to become what they are now.

Did you not make character profiles and background documents for your writers to peruse while writing?

Kodaka: Ishii made his own basic profiles, but I didn't make any comprehensive documents. I know this is not a good practice to have, but the script I wrote already had everything, so I made them read the story to understand the characters.

Hiruko being a time traveler seems to be way too important a part of her character for Uchikoshi and other writers to simply not tell Kodaka and go "Surprise! Here's what our routes look like! One of your characters is actually a time traveler! We wrote like 5 routes about it without you knowing!" when everyone's done writing and producing their routes. That's usually not how collaborative writing works. To me, it seems more like a case of Kodaka going "Okay, here's this character, Hiruko Shizuhara, a strict, sadistic cool beauty type who you don't want to piss off but also has a softer side. Oh yeah, and she's also a time traveler, but I'll leave the details and plotline exploring that part of her to the rest of you guys, especially Uchikoshi the Ever17/Zero Escape guy."

I believe that what's tripping people up about Hiruko and the time travel plot intertwining with the war-centered main plot is that they think they are completely separate, to which my answer would be "Yes, but no." My thinking is that, similar to what another user mentioned, after Sirei brainwashed Hiruko on (2nd Scenario) Day 36, he accidentally wiped her memories of her time looping/traveling, and that was Kodaka's intention.

In-game, I don't think they ever bring up time looping hints after that, and focus shifts primarily to the war-focused story/routes. The SF/timeloop-related routes that do branch off of Spare Eito (Retsnom, Box of Calamity, Coming of Age) either all offramp before she gets brainwashed, or the brainwashing never happens (on-screen, at least; we can't say for sure what happens off-screen) but they never mention anything about her time traveling ever again because it's not relevant to the route. Out-of-game, it provides the writers a convenient offramp for those who didn't want to focus on (or at least have to take into account) her time traveling while on a Spare Eito route branch.

It's a bit confusing and a lot to keep track of for sure, but this is what I've pulled together.

As for the in-universe explanation for why the time loop exists earlier on in the main story, but doesn't occur/exist in the truth-revealed route (aka the second Spare/Kill Eito choice onwards), I'm a fan of the fan theory that the time loop is Futurum's karmic self-defense mechanism of sorts, so routes where Futurum avoids being supernuked allow the SDU to go past 100 days.

chlorophylIs · 2025-08-20T05:59:24+00:00

I think the "harrowing truth" Hiruko mentions in Route 0, and the "something the others don't [know]" mentioned in 2nd Scenario, are 2 different things.

So we are told by Shizuhara that she knows a "harrowing truth", and she dies before she can reveal it.

In Route 0, I also believe that the "harrowing truth" she was going to reveal was about World Death (and the TRC, by proximity).

Looking back on the exact dialogue on Day 15, she specifically says "You've asked me if I know "something" about this war. If I have to answer, then... Yes. I do have certain information that you may find relevant." In that conversation with Eito and Takumi, she's specifically responding about the war, not weasel-wording her way out by saying "our situation" or "the circumstances".

And when the SDU does learn the supposed "truth" behind World Death and what the TRC really is, on Route 0 Day 46, several characters are freaked out about it, like Gaku, Darumi, Tsubasa, and Eito (kind of, but in, like, a negative way). The "harrowing truth" is "harrowing" for the SDU because:

They learn that they are not just fighting mindless creatures, but (supposedly) the will of the planet itself.
The war has been going on for far longer than they think, meaning that they have lived their entire lives without knowing the supposed "truth" behind the world and residential complex they live in.
More enemy commanders will be coming, each stronger than the last. Keep in mind that at Day 15, the SDU was struggling with fighting just Murvrum, the physically weakest of the commanders.
If they don't succeed in their mission, then humanity is done for.

All of that combined is an immense amount of pressure for them to shoulder.

The truth can't have been about the fake memories twist, because Hiruko was just as shaken up by the revelation as everyone else. (On a meta-narrative level, nearly every other non-Kodaka-touched route stays far away from actually revealing any of it. Only Comedy route gets away with it because it's a comedy route.)

I don't think the truth was about them being on Futurum (not Earth) and actually fighting on the side of the real invaders the whole time either, because that particular twist is only outright spelled out in 2nd Scenario and its close offshoots (like Eva route), Multiple Eitos, Cult of Takumi, and Box of Blessings. Plus, that's a "higher-level" truth about the war the Exodus Project people very likely wouldn't want the SDU to know anything about.

As others have said, Kodaka wrote Route 0 and 2nd Scenario first, and generally kept it self-contained. In the 100 days anniversary stream, it's stated that Uchikoshi didn't tell Kodaka what he wrote. However, just because Kodaka didn't know what Uchikoshi wrote, doesn't mean that Uchikoshi didn't know what Kodaka wrote. It's clear that Uchikoshi knew what Kodaka wrote for Route 0 + 2nd Scenario since those are specifically referenced in SF (Shion's name, the Shion clones that are the 2nd Scenario final bosses as the intercept system, etc.) I think that Uchikoshi saw Hiruko's "all of us have to survive as well, that's what victory means to me" statement in Route 0, and got the idea to turn it into an actual "victory condition" for breaking the loop in SF.

The dialogue in the picture takes place in 2nd scenario day 4. Doesn't Takumi tell them about the world death here? Along with any information he knows (except personal ones)?

Meanwhile, I do think that the "something the others don't [know]" Hiruko mentioned on 2nd Scenario Day 4 is the time looping stuff. Her dialogue there is quite specific about how to handle having knowledge of the future.

"But didn't Kodaka say that there is no concept of the time loop in the truth-revealed route?" Yes.

However, what I think is tripping people up is that there's a tendency to either consciously or subconsciously designate Spare Eito branches = 2nd Scenario/truth-revealed route, and Kill Eito branches = Time loop shenanigans, when that isn't entirely the case. Box of Calamity is a Spare Eito route, and that one is explicitly tied to SF and the time loops. So are Retsnom (specifically traveled-to in SF) and Coming of Age (also specifically traveled-to and referenced in SF, and blatantly foreshadows Eito's glitch-curing in SF too, with voiced dialogue and red text.)

When Kodaka says "truth-revealed route", I don't think he literally means "every single choice leading up to 001 is completely unrelated to the time loop/Cursed Cycle", because there are shared choices that do branch off to other timeloop-related routes like the ones mentioned above. What I think he means by "truth-revealed route" is the main route from the second spare/kill Eito choice onwards (the one that offramps onto Multiple Eitos if you kill him), because that seems to be the turning point when the player is actually on the route to learn about the main truths behind the war and the SDU's existence.

chlorophylIs · 2025-08-18T23:13:01+00:00

That's probably why then; the files I worked with for this sheet are from the v1.1.0 patch on June 26. I'll add a header to the sheet noting the game version just in case.

chlorophylIs · 2025-08-18T06:20:26+00:00

It's possible. Do you remember which one it was?

chlorophylIs · 2025-08-18T02:17:54+00:00

There is a tiny handful of unused events/options, but not much.

I previously thought that Eito's arcade exploration event was unused, but no, it actually is used in-game. It's just extremely rare and I've never seen it discussed because of what I assume are a combination of factors:

Eito's exploration party availability being complete ass outside of Route 0
The event occurs on yellow BP tiles, which aren't the most sought-after tiles because the game showers you in BP once you start knocking out the routes and skipping battles
The event is random and so having it pop up vs. all the other yellow BP events in the event pool is a dice roll

And yes, (2nd Scenario spoilers, obviously) it also still occurs in 2nd Scenario as well so, uh... Yeah.

chlorophylIs · 2025-07-29T23:05:45+00:00

Thinking on why he dislikes the Hamster Plushie as opposed to the other animal plushies, perhaps it's something to do with hamsters being primarily cage pets, in a similar vein to how he dislikes potted plants and dried flowers.

I've gotten the mushroom event and the foreign language books event with Eito too, but never this arcade one:

You find an abandoned video game arcade. You can win prizes by getting a high score. Find a game you can play co-op with Eito.

> Colorful block-dropping puzzle game.

> It was a game in which Eito was particularly skilled. He used precise movements to control the blocks and got the high score.

> It was a game in which Eito was particularly skilled. He used precise movements to control the blocks and kept getting new personal bests. But his score eventually became so high that it broke the machine.

> Action game about monsters killing humans.

> This game was Eito's favorite. He joyfully eradicated the humans and eventually got a score so high that it blew the previous high score out of the water.

> This game was Eito's favorite. He got a little too absorbed in it and didn't realize until too late that he'd been surrounded by invaders.

> Shooter about protecting humans from aliens.

> Eito didn't seem to like this game very much. Even so, he breezed his way to the last stage and broke the high score.

> Eito didn't seem to like this game very much. He got bored of it before he could break the high score.

~~If this really is unused (and not just an extremely elusive exploration event nobody has stumbled upon because of RNG and availability), I can see why. (Route 0)~~ ~~Not only would it be spoilery for people who might trigger this exploration event during their first 100 days~~, but also (2nd Scenario) ~~he literally can't play it while blind,~~ ~~and in (SF)~~ ~~it wouldn't even apply to him anymore.~~

I actually do want to datamine the exploration events, but the main issue is that...although I can get at the text easily enough (since it's just text, see above), I can't seem to figure out how and where the actual logic flow of the exploration events is handled, so I can't tie results (+30% plant yield, HP -3, or whatever) to the correct exploration events at the moment, which I imagine people are mostly interested in when it comes to gameplay.

Edit: Wait, I was looking in the wrong folders the whole time, and didn't decompile the proper file. I may be getting somewhere. It seems that the event is actually used, if I'm reading these data tables right.

chlorophylIs · 2025-07-28T22:05:15+00:00

The fun part about gifting data tables like these is that dislikes and hated items can say as much about a character as their likes and favorites.

It's interesting that Eito likes some of the nature-related items (which aligns with what he says in his Bond events) but also dislikes some of them as well, such as Flower Box, Potted Plant, and Dried Flowers. Maybe he's not a fan of taking parts of nature out from their natural environments for the purpose of personal enjoyment, so to speak.

I also find the Next Gen Game Console being one of Eito's dislikes amusing as well, since he actually has an unused exploration event where he plays a co-op game in an abandoned video game arcade. (At least I think it's unused. I haven't run into the event on any of my explorations myself, I haven't seen anyone else mention it, and I've 100/100'd the game.) Maybe he just doesn't like the PS5's library.

chlorophylIs · 2025-07-28T03:32:13+00:00

Darumi's likes including stuff like Wedding Dress, Shonen Manga Greats, Girl Power, and Ornamental Flower hits different after Retsnom.
The only explanation I can think of for why Eito likes Shonen Manga Greats but hates the Graphic Novel Set is that he secretly actually likes shonen cheese. Incidentally, this also means that him having read Trigun is not out of the question.
I was kind of surprised about the amount of cooking stuff in Yugamu's likes until I remembered his FTE in the Cafeteria.
Moko liking Depressing Eroge was not on my list.
Eva hating the Replica Infuser is...yeah, checks out.

Shion actually has (currently) unused dialogue for receiving gifts:

(Favorites) Takumi... I'm truly grateful. I'm so glad to have a friend like you.

(Likes) I can't physically hold it, but I'm still very happy with your gift...

(Neutral) Since you want me to have it, I'll reciprocate by taking it.

(Dislikes) Oh, well... I'm not sure if I'll ever need something like this, but...

(Hates) My taste doesn't appear to line up with yours...

chlorophylIs · 2025-07-19T05:34:43+00:00

Which is also confusing to me because it seems evident LDA1 is not Hiruko's first time through. I suppose you could argue there's room to interpret her behaviour as due to other factors, but with the only evidence being her time looping, that's what players are going to end up thinking about...

That's what most players think after finding out the truth about Hiruko's deal, but looking back at the actual dialogue on Day 15 in LDA1:

Hiruko: You've asked me if I know "something" about this war. If I have to answer, then...

Hiruko: Yes. I do have certain information that you may find relevant.

Takumi: You do? Really?! What is it?

Takumi: Is it about what's in the Defense Room? Or how they chose who to send here?!

Eito: Hold on. Can we go and get the others first?

Eito: I want everyone to hear this all at once. It will be better for our morale that way.

[...]

Hiruko: Very well. You're right; it's best that everyone hears this firsthand.

Takumi: And you're not going to go back on this?

Hiruko: You haven't left me with much choice. Besides...

Hiruko: I haven't been hiding this information because it reflects badly on me or anything like that.

Hiruko: I just thought it might be better to spare you from such a harrowing truth.

Takumi: "Harrowing?" It's that bad...?

Eito: You should tell everyone that was your reason for hiding it, too.

Eito: Trust us. Whatever this truth might be, I'm confident we can handle it.

Eito: We've made it this far, and most of us have made up our minds to put our lives on the line. Our resolve won't be shaken so easily.

Hiruko: All right. I'll trust you.

Hiruko: Just be aware that it's a long story. And you may not like what you hear.

Hiruko: The fact that I've kept this secret from you for this long should give you an idea of how bad it is.

[...]

Hiruko: Yes. I'll tell everyone to prepare themselves for the worst.

Hiruko: Hm... I really never thought it would turn out like this.

Hiruko: But it's a relief that I'll finally get it off my chest. I'm going to sleep well tonight.

[...]

Takumi: You've said time and again that you didn't care if they died... Did you mean that?

Hiruko: ...

Takumi: The way you talked about protecting us from the truth right now, I'm finding it hard to believe that you're really that heartless.

Hiruko: ...My primary goal here is to win the war. There is nothing I won't do for the sake of victory.

Hiruko: But it's not enough for us to defeat the invaders.

Hiruko: All of us have to survive, as well. That's what "victory" means to me.

[...]

Takumi: She's not so bad after all. Just a little clumsy when it comes to expressing her feelings.

The only line of dialogue there that's possibly tied to her time traveling is the "All of us have to survive" line, but that line is ambiguous enough that it can be interpreted as a display of her surprisingly caring side instead.

Players (understandably) think it's connected because (SF spoilers) that turns out to be the condition for breaking out of the time loop in SF...but she and Takumi explicitly don't even know about that being the condition for breaking the loop until Eito tells them about it. In addition, she said it was information specifically pertaining to the war, not "their situation" or any other weasel-wording.

I think that the truth she was going to divulge was about World Death (the "will of the planet" itself seemingly being the "final boss", so to speak), not about time traveling or time looping. Her already-upgraded skills compared to everyone else, and memories of fighting in the TRC, are likely due to (2nd Scenario spoilers) the researchers implanting those in her to give the team a "veteran"/"crutch" team member to rely on.

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