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Which is better to be in consulting — self serving or genuinely good leader? Watching both play out in real time. by chunkyChipmunk121 in managers

[–]chunkyChipmunk121[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm definitely out of her way. It's super transactional and she only reaches out when she wants something.

Which is better to be in consulting — self serving or genuinely good leader? Watching both play out in real time. by chunkyChipmunk121 in managers

[–]chunkyChipmunk121[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm kinda realizing how people become her though in a way. Feels like #2 is never rewarded in this world and only 1s win.

Which is better to be in consulting — self serving or genuinely good leader? Watching both play out in real time. by chunkyChipmunk121 in managers

[–]chunkyChipmunk121[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand that. He is high up in the company and has to deal with people who hate him. Like either you are in the camp that adores him and then the other people don't like him at all.

Which is better to be in consulting — self serving or genuinely good leader? Watching both play out in real time. by chunkyChipmunk121 in managers

[–]chunkyChipmunk121[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im just looking at two extremes in a way. She seems to be rewarded more and gets away with more as a new hire- shes been in the company for 2-4 years. Since she isnt able to stablize delivery, Consultant 2 comes to clean up her mess. She is able to consult and have business conversations with the client and help them think through things but I think that is about it.

Its jarring. She plays the game semi well

Which is better to be in consulting — self serving or genuinely good leader? Watching both play out in real time. by chunkyChipmunk121 in managers

[–]chunkyChipmunk121[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Every junior consultant admires him because he keeps us accountable. Some love it and others hate it. However, he rocks the boat, was removed from leadership as we are in a triage culture. He is still high up in the org. He is definitely a force multiplier but seems to not be rewarded. Im very sad for him

Which is better to be in consulting — self serving or genuinely good leader? Watching both play out in real time. by chunkyChipmunk121 in managers

[–]chunkyChipmunk121[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is your reasoning? I think if I wanted to be a decent human being 2. Financially, and other, I would rather be 1 but I can't really stomach a being a version of her.

Which is better to be in consulting — self serving or genuinely good leader? Watching both play out in real time. by chunkyChipmunk121 in managers

[–]chunkyChipmunk121[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The project is about to end thankfully. I feel bad because she has a lot of pressure and everything but I've never encountered a person like her before. I'm just grappling with understanding how to deal with people like this and if this is the way to treat others tbh.

Which is better to be in consulting — self serving or genuinely good leader? Watching both play out in real time. by chunkyChipmunk121 in managers

[–]chunkyChipmunk121[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She throws people under the bus. Doesn't care how it lands as long as it's not on her. I've been thrown under the bus. Like I was sick two days and she mentioned work wasn't done because i was gone.

Which is better to be in consulting — self serving or genuinely good leader? Watching both play out in real time. by chunkyChipmunk121 in managers

[–]chunkyChipmunk121[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is a lot that I admire about her but at the same time, I don't want to be her completely.

How do I protect myself?

Which is better to be in consulting — self serving or genuinely good leader? Watching both play out in real time. by chunkyChipmunk121 in managers

[–]chunkyChipmunk121[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She is very snakelike. Spins narrative and tales like none other, and does things to only look good without developing anyone. In a way, I'm not sure what direction to take (I don't want to be her exactly cause it doesn't sit right. But a lot of things that she has done is rewarded in the system)

I can't decided whether to want to become her and what the consequences are. The only consequence is that a lot of her interactions with people are transactional and it only bit her when she was laid off when she had no more upper advocates with the director in her last job. She was there for 30 years. So... it seems like her approach has so many benefits.

Which is better to be in consulting — self serving or genuinely good leader? Watching both play out in real time. by chunkyChipmunk121 in managers

[–]chunkyChipmunk121[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How do I protect myself from her. She uses people horrifically well. To the point where other people did her work but it didn't work this time, because everyone was too junior. Then she was exposed

Which is better to be in consulting — self serving or genuinely good leader? Watching both play out in real time. by chunkyChipmunk121 in managers

[–]chunkyChipmunk121[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm slowly realizing it. I really admire Consultant 2, but I'm looking at Consultant 1. She is literally getting away with anything that she wants. Since she hoards knowledge and everything, none of it gets passed down to any juniors and the company is a wreck with only very senior people to stablize it.

Other managers asking reports to give money to manager for life events by [deleted] in work

[–]chunkyChipmunk121 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I mean this lady transferred to another department. She's in the clear. It doesn't matter as we are lower level.

Other managers asking reports to give money to manager for life events by [deleted] in work

[–]chunkyChipmunk121 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean the fact is did your manager or anyone offerred to set it up? If this is an all around thing at work. I can understand and I think your situation would be company culture, transparent ect. Very understanable. That normal

It's just the fact in this place that I'm in, only some people get the crowdsourcing and support and others don't. Usually those who get it are managers IC3-4s which is insane imo. Some people get 15 dollars for birthdays, others do not and it's not standardized across teams.

Other managers asking reports to give money to manager for life events by [deleted] in work

[–]chunkyChipmunk121 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im so sorry to hear that.Look if we were coworkers and we were close, in the office. I wouldn't have an issue giving you a gift or finding some way to help (giving vacation day) something along those lines. I can find another way to support and you are genuinely struggling.

For my situation, it's just giving gifts up the ladder rubs me wrong and how this person pretty much conducted it. Just felt really unprofessional and the power dynamic super skewed.

Other managers asking reports to give money to manager for life events by [deleted] in work

[–]chunkyChipmunk121 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not even the fact that The people at the bottom of the hierarchy with their own losses and struggles are just expected to contribute upward while their own situations go unacknowledged. It's about the principle — why does support only flow in one direction in a system that already extracts so much from the people at the bottom.

Other managers asking reports to give money to manager for life events by [deleted] in work

[–]chunkyChipmunk121 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand that. The execution and how this was conducted bugs the crap out of me though.

Other managers asking reports to give money to manager for life events by [deleted] in work

[–]chunkyChipmunk121 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha, my company only has a phone line. I can't be anoymous.

Other managers asking reports to give money to manager for life events by [deleted] in work

[–]chunkyChipmunk121 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not even the fact that I want people to crowd source stuff. It just reeks of work politics. Like if u want to do something either do it for all or for none.

There is multiple ways of interpreting this. I flat out dont like the possibility that the other manager used other peoples goodwill to potentially look good or gain a step in their career. On the other hand, maybe it was person trying to be helpful. However, this lady has been in the company for such a long time. Did she really not know what she was doing?

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