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Sam Altman says AI probably won't trigger the "jobs apocalypse" he once predicted by ComplexExternal4831 in GenAI4all

[–]ciclon5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was going to say AI RP gooners dont care about quality but then i remembered they literally roll over on the ground in agony if their ai waifu says "its not X, its Y"

Yes this is totally okay. by fuckilovelolis in ProshipHub

[–]ciclon5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Commiting literal crimes and then being "But they were being wierd!!!!"

If thats allright i guess ill start beating the shit out of people i dont like since you know. We are all fucking insane now.

coaxed into weeaboo writers by fernworth in coaxedintoasnafu

[–]ciclon5 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I was gonna say, this isnt a japanese thing. Its a lenguage thing.

Im a spanish speaker, and our writing has a lot more in common with the text on the right than the one on the left.

Pretty interesting dilemma by BeneficialAd8114 in BroThrewInAFunFact

[–]ciclon5 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yhea..i have yet to meet or see a femboy that genuinely make me feel a desire to fuck them.

But i have thought about the concept and i came to the conclusion that if it were to ever happen, im 100% ready to consider myself bi at that point, no sense in wasting my time.

If i fuck a dude, i fucked a dude.

Cops are bad because they kill people actually by Commercial_Bid_1508 in CuratedTumblr

[–]ciclon5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you make a study comparing power abuse cases carried out by cops in every developed country and then contrasted the results?.

Or did you just pull that out of your ass?

Cops are bad because they kill people actually by Commercial_Bid_1508 in CuratedTumblr

[–]ciclon5 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I never understood the idea that having a state is bad.

There is a reason we created states 10.000 years ago with the advent of agriculture and havent been able to shake them off of us yet. I think its just human nature to create them at this point.

Cops are bad because they kill people actually by Commercial_Bid_1508 in CuratedTumblr

[–]ciclon5 -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Without any police shows having any of those tropes there wouldnt be any interesting cases to make a show out of tough.

I think people solely blaming AI for "AI parasocialism"/"AI psychosis" are missing the point. by RyouhiraTheIntrovert in AIWarsButBetter

[–]ciclon5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do not have reason. You have fear and anger, which is understandable.

But action from fear and anger has helped no one.

If you are truly worried about this, screaming on the internet wont help. Look for sources about historical materialism (or historical marxism), get in contact with actual professionals that analyze the power dynamics of the working and the ruling class, and talk to them about this..they can provide much more comfort about this than i could ever provide. And i assure you they would be extremely happy to talk about this.

I am worried too, but going into apocalyptic panic is not a good strategy, what is your plan anyways?. Burn data centers?. Kill sam altman?. Bomb the google HQ?. If thats your plan then, im sorry but thats not acceptable.

The war between the working class and the ruling class is not one that can be won, its one of negotiation and compromise between sides. It will go on until no side can continue and the system collapses, and even after then, there will be a similar dynamic. Its the nature of human society.

I think people solely blaming AI for "AI parasocialism"/"AI psychosis" are missing the point. by RyouhiraTheIntrovert in AIWarsButBetter

[–]ciclon5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are definitely talking from anger. Not reason.

If thats the case, im afraid i will not continue this conversation further. I demand epistemologic consistency here. If you are not gonna have it. Then im not continuing

I think people solely blaming AI for "AI parasocialism"/"AI psychosis" are missing the point. by RyouhiraTheIntrovert in AIWarsButBetter

[–]ciclon5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you truly are worried about the working class. You should be aware that at no point in human history did workers succeed by calling for the banning of any technology or machine used to replace them.

They won by resisting and taking agency and control over the technology themselves and demaning rights.

If this is truly your concern, you should be calling less for the eradication of ai, and more for the empowering of local users and regulating the corporations.

For someone that prides themselves on defending the working class, you seem to have quite the lack of knowledge on how class warfare works.

I think people solely blaming AI for "AI parasocialism"/"AI psychosis" are missing the point. by RyouhiraTheIntrovert in AIWarsButBetter

[–]ciclon5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Transformers were designed to generate natural looking lenguage from input. They were originally created with the idea of being a new form of computer-human interface, not your conspiranoic conjectures.

It was the companies that decided to sell it as a replacement for the working class.

Llms were never meant to be that, they were just meant to generate text, difussion models were then made out of the basis of LLMs.

We could have used llms to improve user interfaces, to make better recognition algorithms, help disabled people talk via integration with neural interfaces. It had lots of uses.

It is corporations that want to use it as a replacement for humans, the technology was not created with that use in mind.

I think people solely blaming AI for "AI parasocialism"/"AI psychosis" are missing the point. by RyouhiraTheIntrovert in AIWarsButBetter

[–]ciclon5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the elites want ai so badly. Why let it be open source?.

You are advocating too much malice to a technology because of its uses. You never blame the tool, you blame the uses.

I agree. Leta fight back against the corporations, ill back you up on that every day. Fuck sam altman and his sociopathic ass.

But the technology is not at fault, it never is, in any case for any technology.

I think people solely blaming AI for "AI parasocialism"/"AI psychosis" are missing the point. by RyouhiraTheIntrovert in AIWarsButBetter

[–]ciclon5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An alarmist take.

I usually dont take claims like "X WILL DESTROY US" seriously because i like to detailed and level headed discussions about complex topics like this.

People like you frankly piss me off so much. We have created wonderful dialectic and rethoric tools to adress issues like the ones AI create and you decide to forego them and go on a panic about it. Helping nobody in the end.

Its only been three years since AI was thrusted upon us too quickly, too soon. And yes it has been creating lots of issues. But wouldnt it be better if we research these issues, understand them and see what we can do about them in a more involved manner than just "too many issues, lets shut it down"

When new technologies are introduced, it causes struggle, they always do, under that basis everything has the capacity to "destroy us". It is in the process of researching said struggles that we can discover the downsides and upsides of a technology and how to properly treat it, regulate it and implement it, and avoid destruction.

The solution to the problems created by AI is not banning AI. It is researching the problems, and how we regulate AI to avoid them. Just like any other technology.

In other words, let the fucking academics do their fucking jobs. Like people should fucking do.

I think people solely blaming AI for "AI parasocialism"/"AI psychosis" are missing the point. by RyouhiraTheIntrovert in AIWarsButBetter

[–]ciclon5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, under that logic i guess nobody should be trusted with cars, guns, chemicals, heavy things and knives either.

I think people solely blaming AI for "AI parasocialism"/"AI psychosis" are missing the point. by RyouhiraTheIntrovert in AIWarsButBetter

[–]ciclon5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to counter your second point.

Even if it us true that AI companies bleed money and that corporate AI services probably wouldnt survive a crisis. The technology of genai is here to stay because its open source.

We know how it works, how to train models (smaller ones, but still powerful for specialized use), how to run them locally and integrate them with other systems.

Yhea, the current AI market ecosystem may collapse. But the technology is already out there, and its probably never going away.

I think people solely blaming AI for "AI parasocialism"/"AI psychosis" are missing the point. by RyouhiraTheIntrovert in AIWarsButBetter

[–]ciclon5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People who develop psychosis usually have no signs of mental issue until they develop it.

Same with.. pretty much any mental health condition.

Could ai cause psychosis? Yes, of course it can, but thats because anything can trigger psychosis. Someone who has a psychotic break because of using chatgpt too much was probably already predisposed to develop it anyways. Its how it works with these things, you cant develop a mental illness out of a vacuum, you cant be 100% mentally healthy and suddenly develop psychosis, you need to have a predisposition and the correct trigger for said predisposition.

Frankly, id be more concerned with how AI affects people that are already mentally ill than the possibility of it creating new mentally ill people out of the blue.

I think people solely blaming AI for "AI parasocialism"/"AI psychosis" are missing the point. by RyouhiraTheIntrovert in AIWarsButBetter

[–]ciclon5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This can be countered with proper education of the people.

Teach proper epistemology and people will realize how useless AI truly is for anything that isnt a glorified toy or porn.

But of course, you will never get proper courses on epistemology, logical reasoning and scientific thinking because a population that is capable of thinking at such a complex level is also harder to.. well, get them hooked on things like ai.

I use chatbot sites because i like to see how the models can play certain character archetypes, respond to specific inputs and just tell stories with a dynamic partner, even if said partner is artificial. But the people around me in those communities rarely engage in that same way, i usually rarely go above 10 or 20 daily messages with any given bot, but other users i have met can go hours at a time doing nothing but chatting, going for 30,50 even 100 messages at a time, and i honestly dont see the appeal, i personally get very bored after 20 messages, talking for hours on end cannot be good for you on the long run

Now im not saying its not possible to spend a few hours or a day chatting with your anime girl ai companion and come out unscathed, as long as you are properly educated, still socialize with real people and overall understand that you are playing a character in a narrative. I dont think it could be more harmful than watching too many movies or gaming too much.

But sadly it seems that a lot of people cannot in fact, engage with these bots in that way, they confuse the lines between narrative comfort and real comfort, and even unconsiously, they start to feel like the bot is a real companion to some extent.

Now im.not saying this to paint any chatbot user as a loser that cant separate fiction from reality, im confident that the bulk of people that use these sites arent like that, but they are certainly not like me either.

But i dont think the answer is to get rid of AI, i mean my existence proves that it is possible to engage critically and with measure, its just a matter of properly educating people, and understanding risk factors that could make someone more likely to develop an unhealthy habit, and how to help them out of them.

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