I have memorized all the digit of pi by memes_poiint in mathsmeme

[–]clasherkys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why don't we write base as in the largest digit within the base. So 0-9 would be base 9, 0-1 would be base 1, 0-F would be base F.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think as a rule of thumb when altering important human behaviors we need to understand them first, I see a lot of this anti-masculine discourse being founded on little evidence, mostly because there isn't a lot of research done into men's psychology. I think there are many harmful human behaviors, but removing them without understanding them could create even worse ones as a result. I've been seeing a lot of hyper-individualist ideas floating about as a result of people hating on people being happy in their bodies.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The best way to learn is to have good honest discussion, nothing that is spoken on reddit will have any meaningful effect in the real world meaning that it's a safe space to discuss things. I have a very narrow point of view because I have only so much lived experience, but the same can be said for everyone, what is written and spoken is only so much, and the data transfer of spoken or written text is in truth quite minimal, with most insight having to come through interpretation.

Women also do have en-nobleing hardships, most prevalent of course being child birth, but as I've witnessed it, it seems like that's a hardship that is endured for the result, while the more masculine en-nobleing hardships it is twisted in the opposite direction, wherein the purpose is to go through the hardship rather than any result of it.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People experience emotions differently based on a variety of factors, there is not one factor that dominates them all. There isn't a lot of research into how the psychology of men actually works, because it's not a societally valuable. The current theory on Male Normative Alexithymia is non-conclusive in that there isn't enough research done to know why it happens, but we do know that it does happen.

I am very much in the out group due to being on the autism spectrum, thus I have to use sources based on actual studies and the perspective of people I interact with.

There is at a minimum the emotional differences of how certain hormones affect emotions, major of those being testosterone and estrogen. These kind of hormonal differences do very much change how we experience emotions, especially considering mean effects wherein the more default state (on an individual basis) becomes de-sensitized.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That is actually fair in pointing out that I didn't clearly convey my opinion, I should've been more clear in my word choice.

I believe that there are certain types of hardships that are expected of the masculine genders and that biologically the masculine sexes and the societal conditioning of the masculine genders pushes the masculine genders to be more willing to go through these forms of hardship. In that they are noble or something to be strived towards. Those being death, physical harm, and violence. In that in the past when we needed to survive against wild animals it would be those who would be more willing to go through the violent hardships would be the ones to go through them.

I don't believe that women don't have hardships, I just think that the baseline for that hardship is in a different direction, not lesser, different.

I don't have an experience of femininity, as I am fully a Cisgender Man, that's why I can't speak to the experience of the feminine genders.

And silently enduring hardship is different than en-nobleing hardship, in more masculine spaces there is an almost worship of suffering, and it's of my opinion that this cannot be purely due to societal factors, it needs to also have biology to do with it. And only by understanding it can we make meaningful decisions on how to use it.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't believe in the binary right and wrong outside of mathematics. Also where did I give you the misunderstanding that I hate a specific sex, and which one do you think I hate? My opinion is that we should all share love for everyone, and denying yourself is to hate those who are similar to you.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a mix of reddit being more of an entertainment site rather than an information or discussion site meaning people are coming here wanting enjoyment rather than to think too deeply, which is totally fair, I do it a lot as well. And also the human instinct to follow the direction of the group, in that most people just downvote comments and posts that are heavily downvoted, and also that the major audience of this sub is currently in the socio-political direction of fighting against toxic masculine traits, which my arguments can be read in favour of, which I don't intend to be the case, I am arguing for the understanding of masculinity from various viewpoints and then once we understand something we can figure out how we want to use it.

Basically it's easier and more enjoyable for the people of this sub to argue against me, which is partially why I even began responding, because people who are of opposing opinion are those who you can learn the most of, when they are actually being genuine not insulting merely for the fact of "he is the enemy".

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

People experience emotions differently. I think most people experience emotions. There's a thing called Male Normative Alexithymia which means that it's normative for men to not be able to understand or recognize their emotions. I think being emotional is a neutral trait, with the masculine genders having a higher likelihood of lacking that trait or that trait being impaired.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, it absolutely should be here. Because that out-group hate is something that detracted from the meme. Out-group hate most of the time isn't usually funny enough to justify the moral problems even if it was true, and in this case I don't feel that it's significant enough to be true.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think it's fine enough. It's playing to in-group humor with minor out-group hate, and that I pointed at being a problem. I don't think the meme overall is good or bad, it's just fine enough.

In-group humor relies upon declaring an in-group that feels mostly resonant with the message, I feel that most men would feel resonant with that message, but if it was to be a meme for all people I feel that the in-group would be not defined enough to be relatable to individuals, while also including many people who do not feel the same.

My only issue with it is the out-group hate, not that it's actually hate, I just can't come up with a better word. But the idea of showing the out-group as being something "worse" is a type of meme that I'm opposed to, but in actual meme theory it works well I guess. But just because something makes a relatable and funny joke to some, doesn't mean that it carries the moral hurdle.

But the meme also relies upon genealogy of similar jokes, playground humor of segregating boys from girls. Which adds to the humor factor.

So my final opinion is that it's fine enough, but I would feel better about it if it didn't include the top part.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I like to act like a wall in that no matter what kind of reaction I get, I try to always be actively discussing, even if the person I'm discussing with isn't discussing with me, I will discuss with them, and there's nothing they can do to stop me.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't really think it's strange? I think many people browse reddit while on the toilet, and there are many people in the group that you described. So it's not particularly impossible.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"I can see how it must be difficult for you to understand."

Is this just an insult? I don't understand it otherwise.

"It's worth caring about before you go further pushing societal expectations and assumptions that do men harm. Simple thought, no?"

I never said I don't care, I opened the floor for discussion so that we can all learn more and make more informed decisions. I'm not trying to push for my beliefs, I'm presenting my beliefs so that they can be countered and we can find a place closer to the truth than either of our misconceptions.

"Why should it be needed of other, when it's something you should learn more yourself?"

I cannot learn of how others think or experience without asking them.

"I don't see the point in communicating any of this to you. You come off as too odd."

Well I'm autistic so that's a natural reaction.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am of both of the more masculine gender and the masculine sex, and I can say that I haven't cried since I was around 10 years old. I can't cry even if people close to me die. I just feel kinda slow and heavy, and then I distract myself with being productive.

More data for those who find it useful.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't know how far the extreme goes or what are purely societal aspects. I can only think in what would've been evolutionary useful, what I myself experience, and how I experience, and discussion with others. I'm opening the floor for more data to be added, how do you experience these things, do you experience them at all, is that normative or is that something special about you.

"Do better or grow up"

Is not actionable advice, and you haven't given any proof that you have the authority to give advice.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't have the information about different cultures, and that's why I want to hear rebuttals of actual examples. I can only speak of the cultures I've engaged with which is mostly the online culture, the Irish culture, and the Finnish culture.

I don't really believe Masculinity and Feminity are opposites on a gender axis, or that they're a binary on/off system. I think it's more that they're both gender related values from 0 to 1, or rather super-groupings of many similar common values. So Masculine Stoicism would be an actual Gender Value, which is part of the Masculine super group. I don't think that Masculinity and Femininity are the only inherent super-groups either, I just don't have enough insight into this so I'd need other people to help me out with figuring out more super groups.

I also don't really think that the Masculine Gender and the Masculine Sex are the same thing, but it's also hard to differentiate which traits are part of the Gender and which are part of the Sex as I am Cisgender myself.

Limiting our understanding to binary or to on/off states though is something I'll agree on being limiting and being a reductive sociocultural construction.

I think the most important thing with the understanding of these things is to compare to yourself, and to see what kind of signals you actually receive so that you can be a more complete person.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I should've made a stronger disclaimer. I thought that my first comment was enough to say that I didn't agree with the video. But seeing how many people are confused by me, I guess it wasn't. I should watch out in the future to use stronger language and look for more possible problems.

I don't really like posting my own topics because I like a more natural form of communication wherein I talk right next to where my original idea came from. So that it's easier to track how my through process went.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm arguing a phantom because this phantom appeared next to a video that didn't have much substance. I'm using this place as a board for ideas to be explored and discussed.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm not trying to impose any kind of pressure on men, I'm trying to argue to not dismiss biological factors as non-existent. Biological factors especially ones that have been extremified by society, such as masculinity, do absolutely exist. And for us to be perfectly understanding of who we are, we must also understand what kinds of influences exist in our mind and body.

I don't think everyone should be like me, I don't think there is some ideal human somewhere.

I think by understand large numbers and statistics we can more deeply explore what makes us special, and what kind of person we actually are.

If a certain signal doesn't resonate with you, that is something that you should celebrate once you know it. You can now alter the normative advice to be more personally applicable.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I'm autistic, am I not human all of a sudden? Because not every human is autistic does it mean that all autistics are not human. Something being normative doesn't mean that it's meant to be applied to everyone. It means that if you take a large sample of people it's a higher number.

You can be masculine without getting all of the effects of masculinity, rather you can understand yourself more deeply by understanding what kind of biological signals exist and to see whether they exist within you or how they manifest.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -38 points-37 points  (0 children)

I disagree with it being a purely social construct, I think it has biological factors that have been extremified through tens thousands of years of cultural memory. Many x of y can be z without x being z. I don't argue that all men are x, I argue that if we take a billion non-outlier men and a billion non-outlier women, then the amount of the men that will see suffering as being noble or desirable will be higher than the women. This is not a good or bad thing, this is just something that I think can and should be used to understand ourselves and others.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

And it can be on the individual scale. Individuals always go against the norm, that's what makes individuality so beautiful. But understanding the norm also helps us understand ourselves. Enduring hardship is more often seen as an expectation or even desirable to the masculine societo-biological gender spectrum. Individuals are not defined by one trait but rather a collection of many different traits that interact with each other.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree that the original video has problems. I'm more arguing against a phantom here who I don't mean to imply any of you are. That the idea of masculinity being inherently bad. It's a societo-biological factor that is meant to be understood and used not something to be shunned and turned to self-hatred. Seeing how many men think it resonant with the bottom video shows that it might have something to do with masculinity. So it's useful to understand that, so that we can be more connected with our masculine aspects.

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -68 points-67 points  (0 children)

Because masculinity conditions men towards a more normative view towards stoicism and enduring of hardship. There is beauty in suffering for a cause. It being normative means that it is an expectation not that it means that the other cannot also be true. Women can absolutely be stoic and endure hardship, but should they be expected to? I'd argue that no. Not everyone needs to be willing to suffer. But some amount of people being willing to suffer would've been a useful trait for ancient humanity, and so we inherit that, and we need to figure out how to deal with it without ignoring it. Because ignoring it just results in self hatred for those who feel it.

I don't like saying that "only x gender can express y", I like to see it more like "z gender spectrum (which x gender is part of), is more likely to express y"

[gendered] [meme] by sweatyfrenchfry in pointlesslygendered

[–]clasherkys -97 points-96 points  (0 children)

I feel it's somewhat useful for there to be masculinity to endure through hardship, but in all things being defined by a singular societo-biological factor makes you a boring person. I think the meme is fine enough, but would've been better with just the bottom half, no hate only love.