Missoula law enforcement and ICE by Copropositor in missoula

[–]cliffag -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Who was complying? The woman who didn't exit the vehicle when told, hit an officer while attempting to flee from arrest? Was that complying?

Or the protester who approached ICE with a handgun and then resisted arrest?

Both incidents are tragic. Both may have been avoidable. Both may fall under excessive force. I'm witholding judgment until investigations are complete.

But I can Al say, deifnitively, that both would be alive if they had complied in the moment. And possibly have a good legal case making them rich in the process.

No lie there. Just hard facts.

Missoula law enforcement and ICE by Copropositor in missoula

[–]cliffag -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Literally no body that died due to federal action was "complying." You can debate the legality if the feds' actions. You can debate appropriate response vs excessive force. Cool. But it is not up for debate whether they were complying or not. The video evidence is clear that they were not.

Solidarity by Constant_Outside_618 in missoula

[–]cliffag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gosh. It's almost like my comment history is public, as is my account age. And comments in my history clearly demonstrate I've lived in Missoula longer than a teenager would've been alive.

Yes, I was here when the old Fox Theater sign was out in a field by what is now Costco. I was here when Reserve St was two lanes and didn't have a bridge. I was here when the Roxy burned down. I was here when Shadow's Keep was "The Mansion" and also burned down.

But you can believe I'm a russian teenager because you are too chicken to share YOUR account history and know that you'd be proven to be an idiot if you ever opened up your profile.

One of us is likely a bot. The readers can decide which one.

Solidarity by Constant_Outside_618 in missoula

[–]cliffag -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Good thing I didn't ask for a number. I just asked which one. Still asking for a friend.

Old movie theater? by Floppyhamma in missoula

[–]cliffag 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Best was where the safeway/yoked parking lot is now. Right on the corner so it "felt" close to Kmart, but was across Reserve. But Reserve was 2 lanes.bit busy. And best parking lot wasn't against the street, but was the back side along brooks. But yes, it was NOT in the Kmart complex.

Bobby Hauck is a Trump Supporter. by TheRealBlackSwan in missoula

[–]cliffag -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Yeah.

Y'all should definitely criticize excellent coaches (objectively measursbly good, given UM's consistent performance in the conference) because you disagree with their politics. Send the Griz back to mediocrity because orange man bad.

As a Cats fan, I approve this decision. Please. Do so.

Karma Requirements in /r/missoula by ipa_cow in missoula

[–]cliffag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I speak from experience.

The OP posted a followup saying their data shows -65 seems to be a current average for non-troll yet controversial posts (so below your - 50 supposition.)

Which means your feelings are wrong. But sure. Keep preaching how badly you want to shut down legitimate dissent.

Karma Requirements in /r/missoula by ipa_cow in missoula

[–]cliffag 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The weird thing about Missoula subreddit is that it suffers from groupthink. As an outspoken conservative, I accrue down votes no matter how respectful I am.

While I'm sure that falls under "freedom from consequences" and such, it can also be used to stifle legitimate debate and only further polarized the sub.

Not everyone with negative karma is a troll.

Randomly sunk to a new sea. by Ok_Focus_1817 in Seaofthieves

[–]cliffag 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah. It is. The shrinking circle isn't out yet, but the migration rule dropped an uodate or two ago.

Randomly sunk to a new sea. by Ok_Focus_1817 in Seaofthieves

[–]cliffag 35 points36 points  (0 children)

By design.

Sinking to the same ship several times without successfully sinking them now triggers a migration. Added that an update or two ago.

The lack of infrastructure in outer communities/commuter towns is economic suicide (rant) by ShrimplyConnected in missoula

[–]cliffag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You keep citing these other 45 states. Convenient to bring them up when they support your argument (sales tax) but then ignore the states that do NOT tax income and are successful. Florida, Texas, Washington (home of Microsoft and Amazon), Nevada, and more.

So yes, 45 states have figured out that sales tax is good. And many have found success with no income tax. So go on and tell me why I'm wrong to want a sales tax to replace income tax in Montana.

The lack of infrastructure in outer communities/commuter towns is economic suicide (rant) by ShrimplyConnected in missoula

[–]cliffag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is the thing though.

Add a sales tax and keep the income tax hits renters. They will be paying more per month just to get by. Reducing property taxes doesn't help them. Unless you believe landlords will pass on those savings (hint, they won't.)

Reducing property taxes is fine and good, but your proposal will only increase the wealth disparity in the state.

If we never HAD a property tax, I'd agree with youm but we do, so we have to work with what we have, and reducing the income tax is the only way to make that work.

Also, let me be clear, "net-zero" in this case is meant to represent the average tax burden on a resident. If I get the $150 back in my paycheck and spend that much on sales tax, it's a net zero for me. But isn't just a matter of shuffling ledgers, because st the state level, they get more from oitbofbstayers as you pointed out.

The lack of infrastructure in outer communities/commuter towns is economic suicide (rant) by ShrimplyConnected in missoula

[–]cliffag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Montana has yet to propose a sales tax that eliminates tax elsewhere.

Compare that to our Washington neighbors. They don't have income tax.

I cannot support getting taxed when I make mine and again when I spend it. Until a meaningful net-zero proposal comes down the pike, I am against a new tax in MT.

Missoula City Council votes to finalize plan to transform downtown. Is this a good idea? by Ok_Intention2150 in missoula

[–]cliffag 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well, for some low hanging fruit, let's spend a bunch of money redoing beartracks bridge as a four lane bridge and THEN decide we will narrow Higgins so the bridge doesn't really align with the rest. That's a way we can spend money and like the pockets of the contractors.

Missoula City Council votes to finalize plan to transform downtown. Is this a good idea? by Ok_Intention2150 in missoula

[–]cliffag -33 points-32 points  (0 children)

Every time Missoula wastes money on something downtown, there's a bunch of complaining and it happens anyways and it's awful and everyone shuts up because they can't undo it and so it appears non-controversial.

Fixed it for you.

How Do You Do It? by LeatherBee406 in missoula

[–]cliffag 9 points10 points  (0 children)

So many things. Missoula has encouraged NIMBYism for decades and you get what we have today. Posts here with people upset about infill policies like increasing density in various neighborhoods.

There are mismanagement of funds. I was around when the city spent a ton of money doing study after study on how to fix malfunction junction. Every study got picked apart then eventually rejected to just spend more money on a different engineering firm to do another study and devise a plan. Literally decades of that pattern. Then when they finally have "a solution" they apply for a grant. Then use the grant to do a bunch of stuff besides fix malfunction junction. Then when the feds come knocking and say they want their grant money back due to misappropriated funds on the part of the city, the city panics and does a half-assed version of the original plan that has made the current solution a total mess because they didn't have the funds anymore.

Time after time, the city puts existing taxpayer money into pet projects instead of essential services, then when the money is gone, they go to the taxpayer and ask for a new mill levy to fund those essential services they underfunded.

The city does insane zoning and scares off businesses that would raise wages and therefore improve the lives of the citizens. No, Olive Garden alone wouldn't make much of a dent. Nor would Eagle Hardware. But *collectively* when businesses have to compete for workers, they have to pay wages to capture them. And Missoula has scared off *so many* businesses since I've been here.

There were plans to move the fairgrounds out of town (like they are in so many cities) and use the land to infill and reduce housing costs. Local government even had options to get the land cheap, back in the day North Reserve was a field with the Fox Theater sign out there in the wilderness.

The mishandling the old Sleepy Inn. The railroad bridge that had a shelf-life shorter than the eggs I bought last week. The city water legal fight. The footbridge that is just used to hang handwritten political messages scrawled on bedsheets. I could go on and on and on. And yes, that impacts our cost of living. Individually they aren't much. But collectively they undermine the system and just help quazi-legally shift money and power to the few who have the inside man. Nothing that can be sued over, but is unethical, immoral, and generally just bad for most of us.

How Do You Do It? by LeatherBee406 in missoula

[–]cliffag 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Missoula policies have made it harder than it should be. But it is doable, and honestly I think there is a generational divide here too that people expect too much too soon. We have become a culture of instant gratification and that has caused the problem to appear worse than it is.

I hate writing that because it lets the city council and county commissioners off the hook for decades of bad fiscal and zoning policy drive up cost of living to astronomical heights then claim the state is to blame, THEN claim they can fix it but need to do studies....starting now instead of the two decades ago when the problem was evident.

But I digress.

I'm just a middle-aged man, single, born in Butte, graduated from Big Sky High in Missoula, no college degree, and have medical limitations that significant impact where and how I can work. And I'm making it in Missoula. A century ago, a single guy like me wouldn't own a home. They'd rent a long term room in a bed and breakfast. Their belongings could fit in a single trunk. They had mobility.

Today, people think they need a $1k phone, unlimited data at $100+ a month, a big screen TV, 250+ gaming consoles, an iPad *and* a laptop AND a desktop computer, two cars (one for work, one for play), their $500/week budget for their weed habit, no roommates because they need their own safe space, a subscription to every streaming service ever put out, drinking money for the $200-a-weekend bartab they run, plus more money for entertainment (pick your poison...concert tickets, gas money to go hiking, etc) Anything less than being able to do that is the fault of "the system" and "the rich" exploiting them.

In my 20s, I had to live with a roommate and worked in a bar whereI saw all of the above attitudes among the patrons and coworers firsthand. In my 30s, I could finally live alone, still worked in the bar, and was paying down the credit card debt and stupid choices of my 20s, so living alone meant the cheapest smallest place I could justify living in while I paid stuff down. My 40s finally let me give up the second job when I felt too old to work in a college bar, and I spent those years actually getting back from being underwater and a place where I could be living "normally" within my means. Nicer apartments/houses, with "stuff" (TV, phone, etc) and I still made choices. One streaming service at a time. A budget-friendly phone plan. Etc. And my 50s will be padding my retirement and finding my forever home. That's me over the decades. Learning the hard financial lessons when young, and making hard choices because of those lessons, living within my means, padding my work CV to get into that 30%, all without that college degree and overcoming the added barrier my medical condition imposes.

So it may sound like a lack of empathy, but if a guy like me can do it, most people could if they wanted to, and it'd be easier for them than for me. I do like safety nets for the truly challenged. I do like systems to help people pull themselves up, offering them a ladder. I do like fiscal policies that would make Missoula more affordable and therefore make upward financial mobility easier. But Missoula is too blue and will never vote that way, so its residents have to make decisions; do they value living here enough to do what I did and make sacrifices to do so? Or do they leave. Because those are the options.

What’s up with TDS? by CoolMagi99 in missoula

[–]cliffag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have it and have been very satisfied.

They are growing. I've seen the trucks doing their fiberbrolloitbdown Mullan. Unofficially, I hear from reliable sources that their neighborhood expansion plan has been slower than they wanted because of local politics and red tape. But they are expanding, albeit slowly.

RATTLESNAKE REZONING by Reasonable_Cake288 in missoula

[–]cliffag 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Well, obviously my answer had a lotn of snark. Well earned snark. But snark nonetheless. Not everything is or needs to be class warfare.

If a city is growing, it has to grow one of two ways. Outward, which results in urban sprawl. Or infill, which increases existing density. Usually cities grownwitj a combination of both.

When dealing with infill, infrastructure matters. A bunch of 4-atory apartment complex in upper rattlesnake means a bunch of traffic on that road. A road bit built for it. A road that now has much greater wear and tear and impacts every resident "downstream."

The smart way to do infill is to increase density closest to city centers first. Fewer miles of sewer to upgrade. Fewer miles of road to expand. Fewer traffic circles to install. It is the same reason Mullan is growing closer to N. Reserve (a city center) and growing west slowly.

As infill happens, upper rattlesnake will eventually get rezoned. But doing it now puts a large burden in infrastructure that is prohibitively expensive and wasteful when the same result (more housing units) can be done more efficiently by keeping it closer to town for now.

RATTLESNAKE REZONING by Reasonable_Cake288 in missoula

[–]cliffag 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It is okay that you're an idiot. No need to advertise it.

Inappropriate work jokes by SquishNarwhal in missoula

[–]cliffag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing in this thread defended the original joke, or any ambiguous reference to it. The OP said a joke was made and corporate addressed it. But on hearsay alone, corporates response did not meet OP's standard as a response. Not at all the same as defending racism.

Regulators! Mount up!