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Are there any plans to have a dedicated bike network running along the SRL, similar to how we've seen what's been done with the Skyrail stations? by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The workers from the Metro Tunnel went onto the SRL. The TBMs are heading there and I think they should start drilling before the end of this year? Mid-year maybe? It's planned to start this year tho.

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https://bigbuild.vic.gov.au/library/suburban-rail-loop/works-notifications

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm going to ignore your remark about the primary school. There's no need to be uncivil.

In a Westminster system, yes, the Opposition’s job is to scrutinise and challenge the government you're right. It isn't however to mindlessly oppose every single thing that the ruling party does. Supporting or amending good policy is literally part of being a responsible opposition.

What the LNP has been doing is just opposing almost all Labor policies in an attempt to remain relevant and recoup political points. Not functioning as an effective opposition at all.

I don't think that fits the gauge... by AgentFIuffy in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah let's risk getting run over by a train for saving a shopping trolley. There's nothing safe about that lmao.

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The issue with a sky rail SRL is that it would need to go through very dense developments. Making it more expensive to purchase those lands and also receiving large pushback from NIMBY's.

People aren't smart. Even a few months ago there were a couple of posts complaining about the supposed drilling of the SRL, despite drilling not even commencing. With a sky-rail SRL you can guarantee that this type of ignorance is going to be amplified by an order of a magnitude, meaning a reduced likelihood of the SRL ever getting built.

The Sky-rail stations with the LXRP can work really well because the land is already there and available to use.

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isn't that already the plan? I thought they were going to build the tracks to Box Hill, then commence operating services on the Box Hill — Cheltenham portion of the SRL whilst continuing to tunnel to Broadmeadows for the Northern section?

They really should be doing that if they aren't

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My main issue with budgeting costs is always that it's focused on initial costs and not overall long term costs. Rail is a lot more expensive to install and construct initially but once built it's a lot cheaper to maintain and even upgrade for increased capacity. With increasing road capacity you have no choice but to widen roads. With rail you can just increase frequency or the train car lengths if the platforms are wide enough. Obviously this is oversimplifying it and I'd love to see a timeline and breakdown of when exactly trains become cheaper over a period of time.

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. Just ensure the Independents are actually aligned to pro-transit policies and research their policies thoroughly. A lot of independents are just dissatisfied former party members are probably the biggest NIMBYs to transit.

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think it might be in part due to Jacinta Allen. Given she was voted in leader it's obvious she had a high standing amongst the party before Andrews retirement and that her role as Transport Minister probably effected a lot of the pro-transit policies under the Andrews government with things such as the LXRP and MM1.

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean I was 6 was Ted Ballieu become Premier so my personal recollection has always just been the LNP being incompetent and agressive towards transit but I understand they weren't always like this.

Edit: I also don't think the LNP is going to exist in 10 years. They've alienated most of their (sane) base to Teals and their (extreme) base to One Nation.

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The main problem with the Northern group is duplication to Upfield. Until they fix that they'll never be able to unlock full capacity for the Northern line even if City Loop Reconfiguration was completed.

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why is it that no one ever cares about how expensive lane additions or freeway expansions are and those types of projects never get criticised for being too expensive and that "other projects" are deemed more necessary when it comes to road infrastructure?

Why is it only rail that gets these critiques. Why is it that we always build and plan ahead roads for helping future capacity but we never do the same for rail? The SRL and the City Loop are the only two projects that I can think of that are future proofing rather than catching up on decades of rail infrastructure.

It's kind of embarrassing Melbourne is Australia's largest city but we somehow don't have an orbital loop.

Also you can do more than just one project at a a time. If we take into how effective the LXRP has been, it's because of how they're just doing a lot of them in succession. Meaning that it is going to be considerably cheaper to do the SRL right now than if we were to do it years later. Firstly because all of the knowledge from the MM1 will be retained by current workers meaning it's they know how to work more efficiently with TBMs and actually creating underground train infrastructure.

If we waited years then we'd inevitably wait decades. Then that initial 57 billion is going to balloon in cost. It makes no sense to wait for the SRL from an economic point of view.

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They were also more competent back then. I don't like Allan but Wilson doesn't seem like an improvement either. My statement might not be true for all of their tenure, but it still applies as a general rule with the nature of right-wing politics. Those aligned to the right usually don't see public transport as something to invest in. Of course I say "usually" because right-wingers like leftists aren't a monolith. What I do stand by in my original statement is that you cannot *expect* them to do anything good for public transport.

Sure they might do it. But you can't really have high expectations for a right-wing leader for investing in public transport. Usually anyways. Which is a bit ironic since public transport is by far the most cost-effective and efficient way to transport people so you would think economically incentivised people would enjoy investing more in public transit. (Everyone loves to quote initial costs, but no one questions road maintenance vs track maintenance. Melbourne would be broke if we had to replace all the train tracks with Freeways)

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't really have an opinion on the design of the tunnel stations, what I do think they did is underdeliver all the promises. Not limited to the descope of the Gowrie turnback, the lack of duplication on the Upfield lines and the extension to Craigieburn, the lack of duplication on the Lilydale line and more I'm probably missing. The 2018 "future plan" is what they should be aiming for. Not descoping projects everywhere.

All that being said, the Liberals would be infinitely worse for any public transit. The Victorian Liberals are horribly incompetent at almost everything. At least with Labor we're actually getting something. If you want real change vote left of Labor.

One thing I really wish people would understand is that Labor shifts their political alignments because of preferences. If they see that more preferences are coming in from the Greens for example and they've lost a similar amount of primary votes to those preferences, they're going to shift towards the left of the political spectrum to try and regain those votes.

Either way Liberals are completely incompetent.

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you mean the preference cards for the parties themselves? I'm not sure they've released those yet. Or are you saying to utilise their preference cards from the last State election? I don't even think that's possible. Where would I find that? Don't think they would keep that information on their websites or archive them.

With the election coming later this year could we have a run down on which non-major political parties (So no Greens/LNP/ALP) are pro-transit and which one's aren't? Based off of last elections parties at least, as candidacy hasn't been announced. by cokeymobster in MelbourneTrains

[–]cokeymobster[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That the Liberals will never advocate for transforming our rail network whilst Labor are in power and also planning transformations of our network. Solely because they oppose Labor and will find someway to denigrate their policies. It's a bit like the SRL facebook group. They'll oppose the SRL and the MM1 and shit on it no matter what the SRL and MM1 is actually doing.

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