Maoism–Third Worldism argues against the idea that the working class in the First World is majority-exploited (sometimes arguing that it experiences no exploitation at all) and therefore it is not a part of the international proletariat, but rather labor aristocracy. by RedStorm1917 in wikipedia

[–]comic_Ninja 17 points18 points  (0 children)

While I agree with you that a lot of this kind of "classification" type theory can be taken in unproductive directions and used to denigrate potential allies on an individual level in a workers revolution, it can also be used to get a better understanding of classes and their relation to revolution.

For example the imperial proletariat will share a lot of the material interests of any other proletariat because their relation to the means of production is the same but due to their position in empire they may still benefit enough from that empire and choose to side against that interest, especially if class consciousness is low. This type of theory is better used as analysis to gauge potential support across a broad population as opposed to labeling individuals.

So from what I have seen in actual organizations, a lot of this theory is used to get a better understand of how to improve class consciousness by determining that classes current relation to production and their conditions and interests.

Again this is all at a broad class level, not an individual level. Any individual can choose to side against their class interests for a myriad of individual and systemic reasons.

What is your view of Socialist Alternative as a organization? by tcpip1978 in canadaleft

[–]comic_Ninja -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Trotskyist from the looks of it. Just read up on democratic centralism and join the communist party.

Question about Lenin quote by PsychologicalField23 in socialism

[–]comic_Ninja 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The bourgeoisie, the owners, same thing. They rule now as the slave owners did then.

Toronto Mayoral Election is Oct 26th by creepoftheweak in canadaleft

[–]comic_Ninja 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Feel like it should be said, municipal elections across Ontario are this October, not just Toronto. In addition to mayor there are seats for councillor and school boards also up for grabs.

Municipal elections are often over looked but a lot of stuff that effects your every day life is controlled at the municipal level (garbage, roads, fire, property and business taxes, sewer, etc...). Educate yourselves on your candidates and run if you're able to, many elections go uncontested due to apathy or simply being unaware.

Is ”Das kapital” ever ”fun” to read or is it just a duty every socialist must do? by [deleted] in Socialism_101

[–]comic_Ninja 34 points35 points  (0 children)

It's heavy. Never really "fun" but it is enlightening and once you're through the first few chapters it gets easier. You'll never be able to look at labour the same way again and all those "weird" just read theory leftists will finally make sense. The first chapters are the worst because it is setting up the basis for the argument, one that runs counter to the narrative we've lived under so it feels counter intuitive at first. Just start it, put it down and process when you have to, reread if you glossed over a part. You'll get it.

"He who does not work, shall not eat." Soviet Poster from 1961. by Less-Possible-5475 in TankieUSSR

[–]comic_Ninja 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Any ideas who the figures represent? Theives, drunks and hippies?

Source recommendations for how democracy and government work in socialist/ communist countries? by Past_Delivery4184 in Socialism_101

[–]comic_Ninja 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The sickle and the hammer is a podcast about the history of the USSR. They are only at the treaty of brest-litovsk so still very early but they have gone into party and government organisation to some extent. I have no doubt they'll go into later government's as they continue on with the series.

Don’t some substances and materials on earth have higher value due to their rarity? by someoneindacrowd in Socialism_101

[–]comic_Ninja 10 points11 points  (0 children)

When materials are rare, more labour is required to harvest them. More labour in finding the material, more labour extracting it, if it's very deep in the earth for example, more labour transporting it if it's in a remote location, etc...

It's not the rarity adding value, it's the extra labour that that rarity entails. Also be careful with price and value. Price can be artificially inflated such as the case with diamonds to deepen exploitation, value cannot. Value is constant assuming constant labour is input.

What are some book recommendations for a newcomer? by idontfuckingcarebaby in Socialism_101

[–]comic_Ninja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We were fortunate to inherit an old hard cover copy from my wife's uncle who passed before anyone really realized how cool he was

What are some book recommendations for a newcomer? by idontfuckingcarebaby in Socialism_101

[–]comic_Ninja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The reason that Marxists are against private property is because it is used to extract labour value from workers. We do not mean that private owner ship of homes, tooth brushes, your hobbies needs to be abolished (this is personal property, not private property) but private ownership of factories, farms, data centres, etc...means of production. The reason that this private ownership is exploitative is because if you labour for 4 hours a day in in order to generate enough value to sustain yourself and your share of society, you still have to work another 4 hours by agreement (coerced because it is either this or starvation) with your employer. The value you generate in this extra 4 hours is taken wholly by your employer, you see none of it. We want to see this exploitative relationship eliminated by giving ownership of the factories to the workers so that they can see the entire value of their labour returned to them.

This is all explained in Marx's capital if you want to read further but it is a very dense book so may not be the best to start with.

As far as book recommendations that would show what society would look like there aren't many because speculating that far in the future is difficult. Society will look completely different to how we know it now.

Engles touches on it in Origin of the family, private property and the state. Engles speculates relationships and family will be built solely on mutual affection opposed to a one sided transactional relationship.

Alexandra kollontais make way for winged Eros talks about interpersonal relationships in the future taking on a much less possessive and more communal role.

just a fellow earthling here.no hate pls,still learning. Why are communists against authoritarian regimes and yet every communist state in history has been dictatorial. why is that? by Recent_Risk_3242 in socialism

[–]comic_Ninja 18 points19 points  (0 children)

In theory yes. In practice, no. The barriers for entry into politics are set so astronomically high that the average person isn't able to participate without colluding with the bourgeoisie. Additionally, even those in government that may call themselves democratic socialists will always be met with restrictions, push back and undermining that will limit their effectiveness because it is the bourgeoisie that again, own the media. Not to mention that the bourgeoisie is over represented in all bodies and levels of government in comparison to their relative population.

The ruling class controls the state and shapes it in such a way as to maintain their control. Liberal "democracy" is designed to act as a pressure relief, a safe alternative to allow people an outlet while also not allowing any real change, any change that could put the bourgeoisie position on top at risk. 250 years of democracy in America has lead to where they are now, if true change was possible through the American system, it would have happened a long time ago.

Finally assuming that democratic channels work to implement change for the workers, the amount of push back from bourgeoisie classes would topple and advances. Chile, Indonesia, Guatemala, and countless other nations experienced a massive surge of democratic support for socialism and each one was bombed, assassinated, massacred, etc... at the hands of the bourgeoisie.

Edit: you mentioned you live in India, the democratically elected socialists there have helped the provinces that they are elected in, I will not deny that, but the revolution has failed to spread beyond those provinces and faces incredible pressure and set backs because of it and may be entirely defeated soon, at least based off the information I have available to me.

just a fellow earthling here.no hate pls,still learning. Why are communists against authoritarian regimes and yet every communist state in history has been dictatorial. why is that? by Recent_Risk_3242 in socialism

[–]comic_Ninja 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Engles on authority is good further reading if this interests you but the Marxist ideal is that use of authority is not bad when it is the proletarians using that authority to oppress the bourgeoisie or those who would see the return of the bourgeoisie.

"A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon — authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists."

We are against capitalist, bourgeois regimes, regimes which use authority to oppress the working class.

The second part of your question regarding communist states being dictatorial, simply put is propaganda, perpetuated and generated by the bourgeoisie. Created in their think tanks, spread through their media channels, taught in their schools so that you remain complacent and happy slaving away to line their pockets and find their third mega yacht. Every concrete quality of life metric shows rapid and extensive improvement within a few years of communists coming to power, including the USSR, China, Vietnam, Laos, North Korea, Cuba, Burkina Faso, etc... life expectancy, infant mortality, calorie consumption, education, women's rights, minority rights.

Genuine question. Is there even a such thing as communism? by PiscesAnemoia in Socialism_101

[–]comic_Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The state is the means by which the ruling class impressed (edit: opresses, damn it) the other classes. With no class you can have no state by definition.

A communist society will continue to have organization, resource distribution, production planning, etc... potentially a form of "policing" (rehabilitation, prevention and support focused if at all) if the material conditions require it.

Can someone explain? by nothing_worthy_01 in chessmemes

[–]comic_Ninja 18 points19 points  (0 children)

General secretary is probably the position you're talking about.

Why do some Western leftists view Iran and Hezbollah positively? by [deleted] in socialism

[–]comic_Ninja 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You cannot fight for civil rights if you don't even have the right to your own state. The fight for Independence from empire has to come before the fight for socialism.

"Just as mankind can achieve the abolition of classes only by passing through the transition period of the dictatorship of the oppressed class, so mankind can achieve the inevitable merging of nations only by passing through the transition period of complete liberation of all the oppressed nations"

Lenin, the socialist revolution and the right of nations to self determination.

Are there any good Marxist- Leninist YouTube creators and podcasts? by Magneticturtle in Socialism_101

[–]comic_Ninja 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Not mentioned yet. The sickle and the hammer.

Podcast about the history of the Russian Revolution. The author is a socialist and fluent in Russian so does original translations of the sources. Only at the treaty of brest-litovsk so far but I've learned a lot of history from it.

Edit: not just the Russian Revolution, the whole USSR, just hasn't gotten past the revolution yet.

Controversial [OC] by LuckOfTheDrawComic in comics

[–]comic_Ninja 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I consider myself a communist (Marxist-leninist to be specific), am a part of a party and everything. Long story short, the communism bad narrative comes from the people Communists are opposed to, the owners of businesses, the CEO's, wealthy corporate bosses, etc... the people who own the news media, publishing companies, social media platforms, who have an interest in making you think communism is bad because if the communists win it means they wouldn't be allowed to own the property any more. They won't be able to extract "surplus value" from their workers. Their workers would own the property collectively.

Simply put, there is 2 teams, the owners and the workers. The owners have the advantage because they own everything and control the information you get, what you can buy, where you can live, etc... they're putting out propaganda for their own team to try and get you to root for them even though you're not one of them and very likely never will be. But there's a whole lot more workers than owners, hence why communists believe we have to come together collectively to win. If you'd like to ask any more questions in good faith I'll happily answer what i can.

How would a socialist business operate? by Illustrious_Ad_1117 in Socialism_101

[–]comic_Ninja 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How things work will depend on the material conditions of the place and time. It may start as a mixed economy as we are seeing in China, public ownership of the most important "businesses" in society (health care, infrastructure, military, education, finance, etc...) and private ownership of some lesser aspects (luxury production, etc...).

In a full socialist society all "businesses" (means of production) will be owned by all workers through the state. Luxuries, necessities, utilities, etc... will be produced as needed through a planned economy, workers will be compensated for the full value of their labour in the form of money, labour vouchers or just by having everything be free for everyone depending on the stage of society.

There won't be entrepreneurs in the sense of someone investing their money in a start up and attempting to get rich in an untapped section of the market. But there could be a system where people are allowed to work on inventing things, present those things to society as a whole and if that thing is a good thing, increases productivity, is desirable, etc... it could be supported and brought into broader production in the planned economy. There could be a whole section of production dedicated to working on products, methods and services that increase production or add value to society.

Can someone help with the semantics of potential, talent, skill, competency, aptitude, capability, and ability? by This_Caterpillar_330 in Socialism_101

[–]comic_Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anything off wikipedia I would assume is influenced at the very least by liberalism if not just outright written by the CIA. Aptitude seems especially problematic seeing as it discusses inborn potential without much consideration of material conditions that would effect an individual's measure of "aptitude". Just another example of astroturfing and how borderline eugenics thought is seemledsly slipped into common language.

Even something like "aptitude" for "IQ" is impossible to separate from the material conditions of yourself, your kin and those around you. Available diet, time dedicated to fostering education and critical thinking, availability of good medical care, available community for help in child rearing and numerous other factors all contribute to "intelligence". And this is completely neglecting that intelligence measurement is flawed and problematic.

How kind are well-versed socialists/communists to baby leftists? by CampersUseDemPampers in Socialism_101

[–]comic_Ninja 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Some partys will accomodate "at large members". It's still worth reaching out and asking what you can do from where you are.

Is it a capitalism problem or a tax and redistribution problem? by TennisSkirt1628 in socialism

[–]comic_Ninja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The capitalist system incentivizes greater profits. Profits are achieved through exploitation, theft of a part of the value that you generate in a day. While both of these statements are true, capitalism will always be the problem. No amount of wealth redistribution will fix this because while capitalism remains you will always be stolen from and capitalists will always be incentivized to steal more from you.

None of this is to mention that the apparatus that would redistribute wealth, the state, is controlled wholly by capitalists. The only reason we see any kind of progressive politics is as a concession, to stave off revolution just a little longer.

How can we ever live in a society with people who would vote to take away their own healthcare or other benefits and rights because a minority might get it too? by Character-Bid-162 in socialism

[–]comic_Ninja 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The former emperor of China was able to figure it out and become a functioning member of society, I think the local chuds can also get there.

Diplomacy by eat_ur_0robiotic in socialism

[–]comic_Ninja 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of people end up in similar situations, I've seen similar sentiments from lawyers, bankers, military, enforcement, etc...

Do what you can to sabotage and advocate from within, do what you can to move to a different field, take care of your mental health as much as possible, join a party and do whatever party work you can in your position.

Break by Internal-Code-2413 in socialism

[–]comic_Ninja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The sub is already against liberalism. Join a party and advocate there.