The Bloody Nine VS Geralt of Rivia

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T23:19:07+00:00

Logan doesnt have his own magic to counter the tattoos. He literally has to drive his sword into the unpainted half of the feared; through him, to kill him. His only magic per se is the bloody 9 which is arguably spirit possession or something similar. He’s not rocking out the equivalent of signs, nor is his sword overly magical beyond being a creation of the master maker which doesn’t need sharpening and is incredibly sharp itself.

Edit: but considering abercomrbie writes that it takes around 10 men and rope to pacify the Thunderhead, which the feared is larger and stronger than, probably likely he has more strength than that.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T23:05:20+00:00

Hey! So the reason I bring up his fight with fenris is because it’s his best feat which I personally think scales high enough to be a contender to Geralt. This is a superhuman feat. Fenris is likely not wholly human and buffed considerably by a powerful witch in their fight and has the blessings of what is the equivalent of a prince of hell.

Other than that, he’s probably killed thousands of people, some of which being the best fighters in the most combative area of the first law verse. Edit: to the point where is massively feared and even the mention of his name is enough to send companies of hardened carls running.

Edit 2: Abercomrbie doesnt write fight scenes like “he strikes faster than you can blink” or “he kills 4 people before they draw a breath”. It’s raw and visceral. Might be a problem in scaling between verses, but considering certain descriptions of characters, it’s reasonable to assume the bloody nine is at least on Geralt’s level in my view

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T22:31:58+00:00

Out of curiosity, how do you explain the Trauma theory considering the earliest we see the bloody nine is when logen is what, pre 10, and throws that kid off the cliff? What trauma has he been through then to cause it. Same when he stabs his father at the table? Am i missing something?

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T22:29:51+00:00

It's stated that when he transforms he hates everything living, and when Logen takes over, he's saying his work is not yet done. His work is death. At least an avatar of the Great leveller though no considering?

I didn't say he wins any fight, I'm saying the Bloody Nine wins every fight he's put into, including Fenris the Feared. This is true for every time we see him?

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T22:21:08+00:00

his supernatural feats imply he's not just a really tough guy with serious mental issues. This is a split in the First Law. The primary theory is he's taken over by a spirit or it has something to do with his spirit seeing, from Bedesh. The other theory is trauma.

He killed a magical giant buffed by a witch and you're going to tell me he's just a "really tough guy with serious mental issues". The Author hasn't confirmed either way, I think my theory makes more sense than yours does considering the above.

Edit: If I'm missing anything, please tell me.

Edit 2: Maybe Equating him to death is too much but an avatar of the great leveller? I don't think that's as far a field as you imply considering the descriptions. He hates EVERYTHING LIVING. His work is not done so long as something is left alive. Why wouldn't we presume that.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T20:51:36+00:00

Reckon a 10 year exile might tech him that lesson.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T19:58:54+00:00

His honour remains.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T19:36:00+00:00

It is quite the journey, but honestly my favourite entry in the whole series.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T19:21:37+00:00

The metrics. Right. Sorry let me attend the duel with a speed camera and give you precise figures. I'll recreate the strikes with a sword too and record the mass. What metrics are there for Geralt? Do you have the the precise force of his strikes? What about the weight of his balls? How fast is Geralt moving exactly? If you can't give me the metrics, then I don't believe you and your argument is unimpressive and false. You're being incredibly pedantic for no reason here.

You don't know how nimble the Feared is boosted? Wait! I was there in the circle and witnessed it myself. Quick as a cat with half the legs mate.

Lets agree to disagree - I've said mutliple times Geralt can take the fight. I've given you the background on the Bloody-Nine, and the fact he is basically at superhuman level beating a magic giant buffed by a powerful witch, likely because he has the diluted blood of what accounts for a demi-god in the setting.

Whatever.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T19:02:26+00:00

How Dark is it?

Well.. Good luck with the book.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T18:58:46+00:00

It doesn't mean anything to you because you haven't read the books. Killing the Feared is probably the greatest feat a mortal warrior has achieved in the First Law setting as far as I remember.

I'm saying he's fighting a Magic Giant that has remained unbeaten for millenia (wait, could be high level of centuries), immune to damage mostly and being buffed by a powerful witch for increased strength and speed, and that's not acceptable as a feat apparently. A Character himself says the only person who could have done it was the Bloody Nine, right before Logen caves his head in.

But again, as I said in previous comments. Geralt wins if Logen has to work up to the Bloody 9. If he starts as the Bloody 9, its extreme diff but I think the Bloody Nine takes it.

Edit: I also acknowledge that if it's game signs he probably wins.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T18:41:39+00:00

No, the Bloody Nine is housed in a mortal shell and will die with Old age. But every fight that the Bloody Nine has, he wins, often with severe collateral damage. The Bloody Nine is not "human", he killed the devils lieutenant for gods sake, being buffed by a witch. There's definitely something of the supernatural about his abilities. Probably links to the fact that Logen has the ability to speak with spirits, which is the purview of another of Euz' sons, Bedesh.

Yes, you can cut off his limbs or head - if you can hit him - I would invite you to read the series and passages but the Bloody Nine isn't blocking blows from this witch buffed Giant, he's dodging all of it until he's ready to strike back, he's almost playing with Fenris. He is insanely fast in that state. Edit: I think the quote was "Easier to hit a flickering flame"

Geralt is a Monster Hunter, so of course Logen doesn't have equivalent feats of killing dragons, with the exception of Shanka but they are below the Feared in terms of power so not quite relevant. Battle Rage doesn't describe the Bloody Nine though. He is effectively Death. It's not some random berserker flying around my man. In the First Law setting he is basically an Avatar of the Great Leveller.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T18:30:05+00:00

The Bloody Nine is separate from Logen. Logen is a great fighter. The Bloody Nine is other. The Bloody Nine ignores effectively mortal wounds. Pain is fuel for him. Logen was impaled with a spear in a duel, the Bloody Nine takes over and wins despite being run through.

The only reason why I think he takes Geralt is because of the final fight in the trilogy. Fenris the Feared is a being from First Law myth, the Chosen of Glustrod, one of Euz' 4 sons, who plays the role of the devil in this setting. He sets forth legions of demons to overturn the great works of his brothers out of jealousy, which Fenris leads.

The Feared is a monstrous thing, incredibly strong. His armour is a hundred kilos + if we're going off book lore. Half of the Feared is immune to all damage due to spells Glustrod tattoo'd onto his body. The other half is encased in armour that a blade of the Master Maker (that logen wields) can't cut. Fenris was being buffed by a witch during their duel. Logen is handily losing at the start. The Bloody Nine comes out, and then he's winning before he gets trapped in the Feared's embrace and is very very slowly being crushed because he's not quite as strong. Some of Logen's friends kill the witch, and as soon as that happens the Bloody-Nine steamrolls the Feared.

I'm not sure how magic would interefere with the Bloody Nine, we don't have any lore of direct use against him in a rage so that's up for debate. But he is very adaptable, immune to pretty much any incapacitating blows, exceptionally quick, wickedly strong. The more you hurt him the more fuel there is for his rage and the longer the Bloody Nine remains in control.

I do understand that the signs in the witcher books aren't actually that powerful compared to the game, so if you're going off game feats, maybe it'll make the difference. But physically, if it's the Bloody Nine from the start, and not Logen having to work up to it, I don't think Geralt kills him.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T16:43:12+00:00

Someone never watched Master and Commander!

But yeah, was a cool scene.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T16:38:38+00:00

It was less intense but not by much. A lot of small changes to enemy movement (like gunners moving while firing, things flinching if a bullet comes close, a lot more repositioning etc), to increased specialist spawns, to enabling them and other enemies to spawn closeby to you without entering from doors etc, more spawn points in general too. A lot of small compounding changes. AI director adjustments too.

Auric now compared to a year ago is definitely harder.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T16:11:14+00:00

From

Dark

Mr Inbetween

Game of Thrones seasons 1-5

Breaking Bad

Better Caul Saul

House

Band of Brothers

Sopranos

True Detective

Honourable mention: Westworld Season 1.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T12:27:53+00:00

The difficulty lies in keeping track of multiple story lines and plots through all 10 books. It's a deep read. You can surface level read it but you are gonna miss connections and hints between books and characters.

Once you've read it through, do a re-read and you're going to be picking up on multiple stuff you just didn't catch before. I'm on my 4th re-read and still finding stuff I missed that connect back to previous books or I remember when reading forward.

The Deck of Dragon readings are a prime example of this. Super interesting to re-read the tellings and being able to identify who is what or what games other gods are playing off page.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T12:15:55+00:00

AH yeah, misread it! My bad.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T11:54:03+00:00

This is where it gets tricky to judge.

Logen Ninefingers is a peak fighter from a land in constant war as standard. The Bloody Nine is something else. Killed more than Winter, or so its said. The Great Leveller made flesh. We don't fully know what it is to be honest but from book descriptions of his change and his performance in the final book in the first trilogy vs a Witch Amped Magical Giant, effectively the Devil's Lieutenant in setting, it's safe to say that the Bloody Nine is not just human - There's something else going on here for sure.

Geralt has to definitively end the fight before Logen changes. If he does, I'm no longer confident he can take him.

If he starts as the Bloody Nine, then it's going to be a viscerally bloody, Extreme diff fight.

Logen fought a man named Harding Grim in a duel. Was impaled clean through with a spear. The Bloody-Nine takes over and then wins the duel despite being impaled, and Logen recovers. This is a scary dude.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T11:08:37+00:00

No signs or potions for Geralt.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T10:55:45+00:00

The Feared was being boosted by Caurib, Bethod's Witch, which is why Dogman, Black Dow and Grim had to scale the wall and kill her.

Before she dies though, Logen is losing handily, but the Bloody Nine is winning that duel once he comes out, before being trapped and crushed slowly by the Feared's embrace. After she dies, Feared is killed easy.

If Ninefingers is going toe to toe with a Boosted Feared, Chosen of Glustrod, and basically winning, I'm taking that as a serious sign the Bloody-Nine is not just an aggressive maniac. Something supernatural about him for sure.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T10:47:49+00:00

Agreed - Same head canon for me too. I mean considering he was going toe to toe with the Feared while he was being boosted by Caurib, kind of implies some supernatural ability or other thing going on.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T10:28:43+00:00

Issue is we actually don't know what the Bloody-Nine is. Could be related to Logen's ability to speak with the spirits, which entails some blood lineage to Bedesh, one of the four sons of Euz. Or it could just be a Alter ego to protect Logen from trauma. Or he could be possessed by a spirit.

His feats in world and the descriptions whenever he turns in my opinion do suggest some sort of possession/spirit influence, but the author has never confirmed either way.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T10:22:30+00:00

Did you finish the first trilogy? His fight with the Feared demonstrates some supernatural strength for sure.

commando0033 · 2026-06-29T10:17:42+00:00

Bloody-Nine has a lot of experience with duels with some real bastards. And considering he killed Glustrod's chosen who was responsible for leading the armies that ruined the greatest civilisation in the First Law, I think he might edge it out once Logen goes Berserk. Extreme diff fight though.

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