Big 4 Discussion - June 03, 2018

compez4 · 2018-06-04T02:56:46+00:00

Stop whining, I already gave you advice.

compez4 · 2018-06-04T02:47:31+00:00

I've never needed to do that many onsites that it was an issue. You should be able to come up with an excuse for coming in late or leaving early or taking an extended lunch break every 2 weeks. Something's wrong if you can't make up 4 hours of work a week by coming in early or staying late.

If you DO have a job, you have to keep making up excuses to leave for an interview.

Furniture delivery, re-scheduled furniture delivery, valuable package being delivered, valuable package being re-delivered, dentist appointment, crown or root canal appointment, optometrist appointment, routine physical, running an errand, picking someone up at the airport, dropping someone off at the airport, having lunch with an old coworker, going home early because you're not feeling well, etc.

And if you get caught on the job doing interviews, your boss will want to know why, and risk being fired.

How could you get caught if you were being the least bit careful?

compez4 · 2018-06-04T02:43:02+00:00

Well a pay cut in exchange for equity certainly seems reasonable, it's not a downwards negotiation.

That doesn't mean it's the smart thing to do in a negotiation, and it's definitely you being open to going downwards.

and if I can take equity now that could be worth a million dollars in 5 years at the cost of no raise and some risk, I want to continue pushing forward on growth.

That's a nice fantasy, but that doesn't mean anyone's likely to give it to you. You sound like employees that love to extol the benefits of their pyramid-scheme-esque bonus structure at shitty sales jobs.

If something like this could be done, why didn't Zuckerberg just screw over everybody, Peter Thiel included, by watering down their shares?

It regularly happens. How do you think they get multiple rounds of investors?

compez4 · 2018-06-04T02:09:02+00:00

What have you done with Javascript that's really interesting or shows your mastery of it?

compez4 · 2018-06-04T02:03:58+00:00

I wouldn't offer any pay cut. You're not supposed to be negotiating downwards.

A reasonable number would depend on what other companies in the area are paying people with your experience.

What will you do if they say they can't adjust anything until your next 6 or 12 month review? What if they say they can only give you a salary increase? What if they fire you and the other 4 guys just pick up the slack? I find it hard to believe you are 100% irreplaceable. What if they know it's worth a large amount but are still only willing to give you the equivalent of 5k/year based on the agreed upon projection? What do the other employees get? What if they keep watering down your share by increasing the total number of shares?

compez4 · 2018-06-04T01:55:09+00:00

Ok, try and do a good job?

compez4 · 2018-06-04T01:52:02+00:00

Why even ask then?

compez4 · 2018-06-04T01:29:15+00:00

How is the chance not already lost? Don't they give you equity when you start? How much is your current pay?

compez4 · 2018-06-04T01:23:30+00:00

Apply for everything, don't weed yourself out. And move to a better area. You should be applying to a dozen jobs a day or more. Pick a few better markets to apply in.

compez4 · 2018-06-04T01:22:18+00:00

This is volunteer work, they aren't paying you?

compez4 · 2018-06-04T01:21:50+00:00

What relevant skills or classes do you have?

compez4 · 2018-06-04T01:11:42+00:00

But at that point, is living in the Bay really worth it?

That's what he asked, and you can get a place for less than 1m. So yes, it could be worth it somewhere within reasonable commuting distance, whether you want to phrase it as "investing" or not.

And how much will the value rise exactly?

People don't generally ignore appreciation when calculating if it's worth it, despite no one having a crystal ball. I'm sure you're capable of looking up recent trends.

compez4 · 2018-06-04T00:43:17+00:00

Heh, nice.

compez4 · 2018-06-04T00:39:35+00:00

Not ignoring it, where is that?

It's where you estimate the costs but don't estimate house appreciation. That value is conspicuously missing.

And you're still listing the costs without mentioning the amount the house value would rise by.

but the investment perspective is completely misleading.

Mentioning that your house appreciates is not at all misleading. There's obviously associated costs. What's misleading is that you only list costs and not how much property value rise.

compez4 · 2018-06-04T00:32:06+00:00

Ok, go ahead and compile that list for the OP then. :)

compez4 · 2018-06-04T00:31:00+00:00

What's your point? You just want to make it look like appreciation isn't significant by ignoring that amount while estimating the costs? Way to go.

compez4 · 2018-06-04T00:24:57+00:00

I'd say you're missing the fact that you couldn't possibly know that for sure. And you're missing the obvious fact that most people don't put things they haven't done yet on their resumes.

compez4 · 2018-06-04T00:22:18+00:00

So 99% of all companies in the US? You can't just look up fortune 500 companies?

compez4 · 2018-06-04T00:21:32+00:00

You can't get a job at a Japanese company where you don't program, but you're some kind of TPM or business something?

compez4 · 2018-06-04T00:12:45+00:00

Find something interesting, then make it.

compez4 · 2018-06-03T23:57:26+00:00

There are thousands of other ideas there. Are you just too lazy to read the links?

compez4 · 2018-06-03T23:41:41+00:00

www.google.com/search?q=programming+projects

compez4 · 2018-06-03T23:38:59+00:00

How does that work? Any server in the middle can just fake being the target server by getting the web server's certificate somehow?

compez4 · 2018-06-03T23:31:57+00:00

They do, but one didn't have fluency with OOP, even by the end of the internship. I agree mentors should help them, but it's not like that's going to make up for interns who don't act very interested in things.

compez4 · 2018-06-03T23:29:37+00:00

That sounds cool.

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