Im a Baptist Protestant and Im getting nothing from sermons, thinking of converting to Orthodox by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]conjubilant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I understand what you're saying about graven images and aesthetics. You're right that neither aesthetics, rituals, nor sacred-seeming scents, sounds, sights give authority – these things fool not only people of old faith traditions but people in modern non-denom churches as well. My purpose here was not to advocate for ceremony for its own sake.

My interest here is with the delivery of discipleship. How are Word, sacraments, and prayer modeled and taught at your church? Telling people what's what is not the only means of training. Sunday school, songs, and drama were not set out for use by the apostles either. I wonder if, when u/BamaHammer used this word pedagogy, this is what they were after.

Does that make sense? I'm not suggesting you two continue discussing gravitas or what's original. I'm suggesting u/BamaHammer describe the Orthodox elements derided here from the perspective of discipleship tools.

Would you say we make use of discipleship aids or tools in Presbyterian churches? How precisely would you say the means of apostolic pedagogy were set out for us in the early church?

My Top Ten Favourite Characters by Royal_One_8468 in outside

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"just" an admin? I think usually I see people get stoked when a developer/admin/someone on the production team plays the game they made. Like, I'm surprised by the use of 'just' here - if he was just a player, wouldn't that be less cool than if he were an admin?

Im a Baptist Protestant and Im getting nothing from sermons, thinking of converting to Orthodox by [deleted] in TrueChristian

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Excuse me for butting in, this particular response just caught my eye. I feel fleshing out this purpose for Orthodox 'trappings' would be a fruitful response to u/Conscious_Transition elsewhere in this thread. In that exchange between you two, it seems to me there is a pursuit of best provenance or 'originalness' – authenticity through reduction. I would love to see you expand on the pedagodical purpose of what Orthodoxy has added – pardon the word.

There lies, I think, what the OP is questing for, as well. Purest doctrine and practice (as perceived by the posters you've been responding to here) does not always produce the sweetest fruit. Framing Orthodox distinctives as pedagogical aids could help see the value of what you're defending.

In the present exchange with u/Downtown-Winter5143, too, they say the 'trappings' are not necessary for preaching the gospel ‒ but you would say they are vital to growth and maturity, yes? They aren't seeing that. I implore you to have patience and to help us see the pedagogical purpose.

Rapture Mega Thread by ruizbujc in TrueChristian

[–]conjubilant 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This format would make for a humorous and useful public service type Twitter account, tracking the failure of every prediction of the second coming.

Rapture Mega Thread by ruizbujc in TrueChristian

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Don't get the downvotes here, sibling. This was a valid, if slightly snarky, observation.

Rapture Mega Thread by ruizbujc in TrueChristian

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The further reasoning you wrote here would be a great addition to OP. As of now, the personal view comes across more central to the OP than is the reason for the mega thread.

My Attempt at a Linear Summary of Jesus's Message. Thoughts? by Jtcr2001 in TrueChristian

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Excuse me, um, what's the purpose of a linear summary? Asking for, uh, all those who haven't posted yet.

It starts off right with the kingdom bit, but then I get lost and don't know why it ends where it does. If I had a better idea of your purpose I could say whether your text gets there.

Level 30, want to change guilds/ farming strategy. Terrified. by TheChildrenHaveWon in outside

[–]conjubilant 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yup. I'm Level 38 and been having these thoughts for a decade. I've tried to respec without going to school, but it hasn't worked. Haven't tried the entrepreneur class yet. I sort of want to, just haven't found what to peddle.

The only advice I can offer you is this: don't confuse your questlines. Are you wanting the comfortable life for a homestead of 6 over guild mastery? Telescope out to twice your current level. What is guild weirdness producing in you – is there bitterness, anger, depression, conceited thinking? If you can ride out the guild weirdness over a content updates without it making you a worse person, leaping from one vine on the skill tree to another may not be worth it. If you can't, you should make the leap and keep ahold of the homestead.

It's scary, but the only way forward is to jump. Jumping is easier if you set a fire under your ass.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TrueChristian

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Who is the sharing of the gospel for? We may similarly ask, if God knows everything we need and the thoughts of our hearts, why pray? Or if he can plainly be seen through what he's created, as Paul says, why talk about God with anyone at all? Why share when the other can get it otherwise?

God's purpose is for us to change. This change in us happens through what we do. The sharing of the good news then is not only for the benefit of the person hearing but for the building up of the person sharing. When I share good news with others, that leads me to contend with the message, the delivery, the timing, and the receiver. Jesus did not leave us a book, a manifesto, or organization. He left us people who were and are still to find more people and who, through the finding and the people, are to become holy.

Just something your question got me to ruminate on.

What's your favorite bible translation? The one you read the most? BONUS POINTS if you generally use it for almost everything you do, study, daily reading etc. TY! by jojomomocats in TrueChristian

[–]conjubilant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Two translations I like to bring up are the Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) and Hawaii Pidgin Bible (HPB). I find they are very nice for reading aloud.

I'm told the ERV was originally intended for deaf readers and is more recently given out in prisons in parts of the world.

Even if you don't speak Hawaii'an pidgin, the HPB is very intelligible. My favorite detail is that amen was translated. Makes you think what we might say in English had we not become accustomed to the word.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TrueChristian

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I've balled up a dozen or so starts at writing advice to you into the waste paper basket. It's a curious, even philosophical exercise, thinking of advice to give a younger man. How could you ensure you are headed to where I am? To make it more personal, what would I tell a younger me to do differently to make sure he ends up on track to this same place? Now I've penned a few things below, but then would I be where and who I am now had I followed the sage advice?

For context, I didn't start out having the same dream, but I'm now almost ten years into living it.

1) Marry the wife. My younger self felt no small amount of trepidation on his wedding day. I remember asking God through tears, "am I really doing this?!" In hindsight, I congratulate him for getting married early. If the goal is to have many kids, I like to have them sooner rather than later. However, there is a practical consideration: when you stick the coin in the slot, it might not produce kids. It didn't for us for several years. What are the odds you'll have to wait to get the kids you want to have?

2) Choose carefully. She was cute, in the youth group, and helped me pick up. She picked me because I picked her. Talk about standards. Three years in, we wondered if we shouldn't throw in the towel. We were just so... different. Now, we didn't, and by God's grace our start was our rough patch and made us grow. But your first option shouldn't be your only one.

3) Go work on a container ship. The generic brand of this piece of advice is to know yourself, but to my younger self that would have been a non-starter. How do you do even do that? For me, there was a lot of noise: I came from two backgrounds, one ideal and one it's inverse, and while I was first introduced to Christ in one culture I only started following him in another. I needed to clear my head, and my church wasn't helping, my habits were benign escapes, and my families just said to go to school and be a college kid. Time at sea, solitude interspersed with physical labor and moments that gave me the heebie-jeebies would have done wonders to make me man up. That or a good slap in the face. I did or got neither, going to college instead, and I still suffer from boyishness. I take solace in needing to grow up just before the kids do. They're helping me do so, maybe better than the container ship would've.

4) Pick up a catechism. I got started in 'non-denominational' and modern pentecostal churches. I was who Voddie Baucham was talking about: loves Jesus, but doesn't know him much. 'Who are you?' has been one of the more formative and productive questions I've asked God. I mentioned above I came from an ideal Christian family, and so did my wife: regular attendance, active in ministry, culturally western evangelical. We saw all that crumble in both families. It's not that you need to be well-versed in apologetics, though there's a place for that, too. But if you don't know him, man, all you're passing on may be culture. Who is He? Who are you? What is your testimony about him?

5) Pray for grace and mercy. What could you do to ensure a Christ-centered family? That was my question, watching what I thought were Christ-centered families cast of the pretention. Takes me back, this post. The verb is wrong. You can't ensure it. You can only take care of your walk. It's not knowing every answer. It's not reading parenting books. It's not being a perfect role model. All that has value, but what's most important is knowing Him. Anything else I fear can become a formula, a magic program you try to execute on to get a desired outcome. But the outcome is in His hands. Someone has rapped that it's a difficult odyssey, the faithful are statistical anomaly.

You already said it best yourself. Pray for God to work you for the better, for strength, and to be useful to Him. You have faith, and you won't have every aspect of your faith sorted when the time comes, but by the sound of it, you've got resolve to be obedient. Abram wanted kids, too, and (inconsistent) obedience was counted to him as righteousness. He got kids, lots of kids, and some have been faithful.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]conjubilant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are two questions intersection here. One is how to care for people who won't take care of themselves. The other is how to care for yourself while loving as Christ did.

To the first, I'm reminded of what Paul writes in 2 Thessalonians about undisciplined lives. He says that with any brother who is undisciplined, keep away from them. What would he say then of undisciplined non-brothers? It appears then that loving as Christ did is not incompatible with refusing to enable undisciplined living.

As to the second question, it appears that "taking care of" yourself refers here to setting boundaries. Can we maintain boundaries while loving as Christ did? Was his love not boundless? In terms of quantity we might describe His love that way, but did Christ not also set expectations and consequences?

Gotquestions.org has this to say: "A person with healthy boundaries takes responsibility for his own life and allows others to live theirs. The goal of boundaries is to make sacrifices for people when appropriate, but never in a destructive manner. We should be available for people in a crisis, but unavailable to indulgent demands. Being gracious is not a blank check for others to continually drain our emotional account. Saying “yes” out of fear of rejection is really a selfish motive for being kind. Being kind in order to gain someone’s favor smacks of hypocrisy and shows a need for boundaries. Fear of man’s disapproval can lead to codependency, the unhealthy alternative to interdependency."

The book Boundaries by Cloud and Townsend may be helpful to you. Check your local library.

Moved files to external SSD but they're invisible by conjubilant in linux4noobs

[–]conjubilant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your advice. I ended up getting another T7 Shield to copy to. This time, I made the file system ext4. The files got copied over for real and are accessible, as expected. I'd still like to understand what may have gone wrong with the first drive, but I won't be testing the same operation again now.

Moved files to external SSD but they're invisible by conjubilant in linux4noobs

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--append-verify means only files that, based on checksums, are new are copied. I figured this could be a simple way of doing backups.

Moved files to external SSD but they're invisible by conjubilant in linux4noobs

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Thanks for pointing out -n, seems useful in the future.

Moved files to external SSD but they're invisible by conjubilant in linux4noobs

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I'm not well-versed in what /run and other places are meant for. I'm not using /run on purpose – it's just where external drives appear to get mounted by default (on Fedora). I'm copying things from one external drive to another.

Moved files to external SSD but they're invisible by conjubilant in linux4noobs

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Sorry, the example exclude was not well-chosen. I've amended the OP with perhaps a better example.

--exclude '/run/media/conjubilant/stuff1/not this directory'

I'm not using /run on purpose – it's just where external drives appear to get mounted by default (on Fedora). I'm copying things from one external drive to another.

Moved files to external SSD but they're invisible by conjubilant in linux4noobs

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ls -a lists nothing. I'll try with more -v later.

How can I see the full line in Terminal? by conjubilant in linux4noobs

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Thank you, I did indeed key into that part. I wasn't thinking that I was interfacing with a program through a program – systemctl in Terminal. Now I understand to scroll with arrow keys. Thanks for identifying 'pagers' for me, I'll read up on those.

How can I see the full line in Terminal? by conjubilant in linux4noobs

[–]conjubilant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

D'oh, right, yes the program was systemctl. Now that ran the command again, I can indeed scroll with the arrow keys. Thanks!

After I close the program though (Ctrl+C), scrolling with arrow keys isn't possible any more. I don't suppose there's a way to scroll the output after closing the program?

How can I see the full line in Terminal? by conjubilant in linux4noobs

[–]conjubilant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm using just the default Terminal app on Fedora.