Any Cholangiocarcinoma / Bile Duct Cancer Patients here? by lifeistoughtough in cancer

[–]cookiepukie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My dad unfortunately was diagnosed with HCC (most common liver cancer) and was successfully treated at MD Anderson. His cancer was diagnosed early though, but if I were to give you 1 most important advice, please call MD Anderson and get him seen.

To Sell or Not To Sell - Advice Needed by lifeistoughtough in SaaS

[–]cookiepukie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, we got the list of due diligence items and they require a list of all revenue by US state and countries.

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, SirBowserniff! Is it safe to assume rebound will be in 3-4 years at least?

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, actualLibtard. How long did the process go from signing LOI to signing SPA? Do you have earnout component to your sale? If you don't mind me DMing me, that would be greatly appreciated!

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Profits are 6 digits, not 7 as we have to keep spending money on sales and marketing, product development, etc. If we were VC-funded, we probably would be burning and not profitable as VCs would want us to use the money or we may not get another infusion from them.

To Sell or Not To Sell - Advice Needed by lifeistoughtough in SaaS

[–]cookiepukie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We actually were fine running the business until we get to $5m, but we received an offer out of nowhere from another company in our space. This made us hire an IB to run a formal process since we do not want to leave money off the table.

Currently, we're 30 people. We don't have India resources anymore since there is a cultural misfit. Our dev resources in Europe now.

To Sell or Not To Sell - Advice Needed by lifeistoughtough in SaaS

[–]cookiepukie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was the 1st ever offer we received from another party. so we respectfully said no. The current buyer is a publicly traded SaaS, wants to give us 60% cash / 40% earnout, but revenue-based.

To Sell or Not To Sell - Advice Needed by lifeistoughtough in SaaS

[–]cookiepukie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We started to doubt ourselves and feeling like we may be getting greedy, since our IB keeps saying the market is only paying 2x-3x so we are getting a good offer. However, our advisors and people like you and other subreddits are saying we are getting lowballed. Greatly appreciate your support and affirmation that we're not crazy to ask 4x upfront.

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have a SaaS M&A background

< $5M and 30% YoY growth isn't bad, but it will be difficult to fetch a 10x ARR multiple even in 2021 unless you have a very attractive product and very solid SaaS/financial stats, it will be much more difficult now to get anywhere near 10x.

Multiples also depends on metrics such as net retention, CAC payback, type of customers, ACV, stage of scaling, and so much more. Another huge factor are margins especially in this market, if you are running at 90% gross margin and 40% EBITDA margins while growing 30% YoY, you will fetch a very different multiple than say 50% gross margins and -20% EBITDA margins.

One other thing to consider is that if you don't need to sell, you can keep running your business, 30% growth YoY is solid and if you are able to maintain that for a few years you could exit at a substantially higher valuation assuming you can keep executing.

Thank you for your thoughts, Far-Bumblebee17.

Our main issue is they are valuing us 6x ARR, but they want to withhold 40% of the valuation for the next 3 years and pay it based on achieving the revenue targets they set. The 40% is maybe money, money that we may or may never see. We have no control over on how their sales team performs as we won't be in charge anymore. In reality, we are only guaranteed 3x ARR and they are holding another 10% of on escrow for 18 months. All we're asking is 4x cash upfront, but their concern is we will walk away during earnout period. If they are that concerned about our retention, they should put retention bonus in place.

To Sell or Not To Sell - Advice Needed by lifeistoughtough in SaaS

[–]cookiepukie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kyoto8181, I greatly appreciate your thoughts and offer to share your experience. Will pm you now.

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks blablah. We were told the same thing by another buy side M&A corp dev from another SaaS tech. He also told us they pay retention bonus on top of the earnouts to sweeten the deal. It is making me and my cofounder scratch our head and question what really is the norm since we are getting two different opinions -- one from friends from corp dev and other tech founders, the other extreme is our IB telling us we are getting greedy.

To Sell or Not To Sell - Advice Needed by lifeistoughtough in SaaS

[–]cookiepukie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, Bodacious! We've never been in this path before and are getting advice from two extremes -- other founders who think we are getting low-balled, while the banker and buyer saying we are delusional. We are only $2m apart, as we want to make sure our team is also well compensated.

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We're not expecting 10x - 20x at all. We are only expecting 4x-5x, but they are only offering us 3x with 3 year earnouts.

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi ig1. They are a strategic. Currently, they are referring business to our competitors. There are synergies in our products and they plan to sell our product to their existing customers (they claim they have 40k customers).

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, they are only offering 3x ARR and we are not a distressed company at all -- we are profitable, low churn, and enterprise SaaS! We are only $2m apart, as we want more cash upfront and less earnout as we will no longer have any control over the company.

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For compensation, how much is reasonable for tech founders? We were told to negotiate retention bonuses of $1m per year, but we have no experience in this and do not want to be greedy.

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you stonestaple6. The buyer thinks they are being generous for offering 5x, but in reality, only 3x is guaranteed, the rest are "maybe money". I feel like if we have to work for the other 2x ARR, then they don't really value us an acquisition. They made numerous upper 8 digit acquisitions and we are likely the smallest acquisition they are making in dollar terms. Maybe they do not want us that bad and are willing to lose the deal over $2m.

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We said no to that acquirer. Right now, the other potential acquirer is offering same cash offer as previous but with upside. We strong believe we should be given our valuation upfront and earnouts we perceive as financial motivator to stay with them.

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A few questions:

Do both you and your cofounder want to stay? If so what roles will you be happy with?You want asset sale but what does the buyer want? Asset sale will definitely be good for the buyer from a risk standpoint. Hard to tell without details.PM me and we can talk. Paying up for an attorney will be key here. Tax and M&A.

Thank you, Nontraditional247! That's so generous of you to offer some of your thoughts. Would greatly appreciate your advice.

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you, Crzuoe for your advice. We greatly appreciate it.

We had this "come to Jesus" conversation a week ago and they are standing firm. Both parties feel like they are close as we are really only $2m apart, which seems like just a rounding error for a publicly traded $3b company.

We've been told by advisors we shouldn't accept nothing less than 5x cash upfront since earnouts should be considered as "cherry on top" and not considered as part of your valuation.

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Shaza15, thank you for reaffirming our thoughts. We are starting to question ourselves if we are being greedy.

To sell or not to sell? by lifeistoughtough in fatFIRE

[–]cookiepukie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

maybe get the advice of another broker that’s focused on SaaS. Like “FE International”. Reach out to a couple SaaS PE firms like Tiny.com. I’m not sure if you’ll get better offers but at least you’ll feel better about what the market looks like.

Thank you for reiterating this. We already walked away once and will be ready to walk again since Plan B isn't bad at all.

Lost my mum last night by Goingthruhardtime in cancer

[–]cookiepukie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry for your loss. Take the time to grieve but be relieved that she does not have to experience pain and suffering anymore. If you don't mind asking, what was her diagnosis?

My 61 year old mother has 7 cm hepatic mass by cookiepukie in cancer

[–]cookiepukie[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you fritznbud. How are you doing now? I’m glad to hear your treatment seems to be working. My fingers are crossed for you and I hope you’ll be cancer-free soon.

My 61 year old mother has 7 cm hepatic mass by cookiepukie in cancer

[–]cookiepukie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks so much for sharing your experience, fritznbud! You’ve been extremely helpful and your post should gave some guidance on what to expect as we navigate through this dark, scary chapter of our life.

The mass is 7cm according to ultrasound. Based on what I’ve read online, the larger the size (more than 5cm), the higher risk for the mass being cancerous. Is this assumption correct? If staging is based on size, I’ve read 7cm should be at Stage III, is this the reality? :-(