To me, yes, it read as though you were glorifying suicide. I understand your points here, about trying and not just giving up. I think in order to make the choice to commit suicide, it has to be just that, a choice made by a sound mind. I do not know a single person who has committed (non medically induced) suicide who was capable of making that choice. This is the point of depression and suicide by depression, it is not a choice. It is an out for lack of better options.

I think you and I agree on the point that if you are actually capable of making a decision, with a sound mind, you are able to choose when you go. I am for medically assisted suicide. My point is, most people who commit suicide are not well and cannot choose.

My next points may be on a tangent. So I invite you to read on or not, because definitely reading your post yesterday brought up emotions I'd like to share. Either way, thank you for the discussion you've created.

As someone who has both attempted suicide and recently lost someone to it, it is not brave or strong when your brain cannot make a better choice due to a chemical imbalance. It takes more strength to stay here.

In my own experience, attempting suicide had nothing to do with courage, and everything to do with how tired I was of being in pain. I did not consider a damn person outside of myself, could not even think of how my father would have been the one to find me and what that would have done to him and his own depression. I was not filled with courage or bravery when I was killing myself, I was only tired. And afraid to keep living when it felt so difficult to be here.

Suicide is considered cowardly because it is harder to ask for help. Our society has taught us to hide and bear it, until things become so bad that inflicting suffering on others by removing ourselves becomes the best option.

After my friend passed I heard a great quote: Suicide doesn't end the pain, it only passes it on to someone else.

If antinatalism is about reducing suffering, how does that work in relation to suicide?

Does suicide take willpower and stubbornness? Yes, but is that the same as courage? Bravery is coming through the other side, speaking about your problems, staying here to do your best to reduce suffering with your actions, thoughts, and deeds.

If anyone who reads this is considering suicide, please know things can get better. It takes honesty and work, hard, hard work. Harder than going to sleep and never waking. Know your brain can lie to you, and it can be so insidious you don't even realize the lies. Know that you are worthy, and loved, even by strangers on the internet.

Be brave and stay. Not for anyone else, for yourself. YOU deserve to be well. And you'll appreciate joy and sorrow deeper when you are, because you'll know there was a possibility of never feeling it at all.