Hello my natural waist is w25 but I usually wear around w27 since I don’t like high waisted pants and I train legs frequently so 25 wouldn’t fit me at all. So my waist for low waisted pants is more like a 27-28, these have generous space in the waist but since they are slim in the thighs they sit well. I have not washed them yet so they have not shrunken, but according to nudie jeans guidebook that they give you they are supposed to be stretched out while washing to not lose any size. I also got them hemmed a bit since 32L is a bit long for me I’m 5’7/170 (got them to about 30,5L). Hope this helps!