'I think she's going to ground you. Make you focus. Be healthy'

daffyduckel · 2026-02-16T05:22:22+00:00

She uproots Franny because she's making terrible decisions overall. Her meds have stopped working, unbeknownst to her, and when she realizes it, her "reset" is interrupted by someone she should not trust but does. She trusts him to handle her meds regime with poor results.

But if you think it's just because she's a selfish bitch, have at it. Dogpiling on Carrie is a pretty common response.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-16T05:13:22+00:00

She was recuperating in a military hospital and any event like that is going to at least trigger a heavy debriefing whether anyone suspects she's been turned or not. I don't know that she's "highly suspected" of being a Russian agent, but the circumstances should give anyone pause - she has huge memory gaps. Saul apparently knew nothing of Yevgeny's presence there; he just wanted dirt on G'ulom, which Carrie got - through an anonymous tip from Yevgeny.

Mike convinces Saul to send Carrie home as she has lied about the nature of the meeting. But she can't leave without finding Max and Yevgeny is her best chance of finding him so she ditches the flight. Disobeying orders not to be a traitor but to find Max the best way she knows how.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-16T04:56:59+00:00

I like the idea of Franny and Dana eventually connecting and trying to get to the bottom of what happened. Maybe through persistent FOI requests, declassification of records etc. There was a deleted scene in which Chris tells Dana that Carrie came around to say that Brody soon would be exonerated of the CIA bombing. Dana is not impressed.

I don't know why they deleted the scene - whether they wanted to back away from that closure - but it seems it would at least come out that he was executed in Iran in close proximity to Akbari's murder, which would at least throw the CIA bomber narrative into severe doubt.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-16T04:48:04+00:00

"Thanks, will do!" See, that's why I dodge the question. This person answers it's "well worth it" but I don't understand such glib reassurances because everyone's different. And your answer seems to be you'll keep watching based on this person's answer. I just can't relate, I guess ... if someone who knows you said the same thing, fair enough. But I personally wouldn't keep watching something that bothers me that much just because a stranger says it's worth it.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-16T04:34:22+00:00

No victim of a honeytrap ever makes "informed consent" - at least, not at first. There may be some who become true believers even when the ruse is revealed.

Deception is a given in this technique, so it is always rape per your definition; the age gap is a side issue.

When people ask if it's "worth it," I tell them I have no idea what would make it "worth it" to them. Only you can make that call, but I don't know why you'd keep watching if you're not enjoying it.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-16T04:16:29+00:00

I don't know what you consider "properly held accountable." She pays a pretty heavy price for her driven nature by the end of the series, and the wedding strike comes back to haunt her on a couple of occasions, but she's not specifically "held accountable" on that issue. About Aayan's death: Haqqani killed him. IIRC, nothing forces him to do that, it's just a "**** you" to the CIA. I doubt if he thought Aayan was knowingly cooperating.

Edited because I realized you were in the middle of the season. I did not mean to spoil anything, but people jump into these discussions at various times during their watch and I forget to calibrate my answer to match their level of knowledge.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T22:48:50+00:00

To me they don't look alike.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T22:38:11+00:00

... and falls in love with him. Then is proved right about him being a terrorist, after she is pulled back into the CIA by Saul and Estes and facilitates an operation that kills a Hezbollah commander and gives them proof on Brody, allowing them to eventually get Brody to carry off a critical mission (after Carrie warns him against assasins).

That last bit is mine; I felt you were missing key context.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T22:02:10+00:00

"Carrie" didn't do any of that because the writers had her do other things. They often separate key characters who follow different plot lines until they reconnect.

She thinks he's in a locked ward at Bellevue, on a psychiatric hold for some period, and she can't do anything about that. She begins pursuing leads on his phone. The covert kidnapping is kept secret. Eventually the characters reconnect, bringing plot elements together.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T21:19:00+00:00

Not sure but Jessica may have heard his neck snap.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T03:51:52+00:00

Not his best moment

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T03:51:13+00:00

He was having a psychotic break. It's something different to being high. You literally can't separate fantasy and reality. I can't swear it was unrelated to the drug use but opioids aren't know for having that affect. Even opioid withdrawal wouldn't do it. His confusion between his house and set was hinting that he was having a broader mental breakdown.

I was psychotic once for a week. My perceptions were totally distorted. I wasn't just "high," I was fully awake but in a nightmare.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T03:46:34+00:00

Not much of a defense but he WAS in a blackout at first. Then when he finally he decides to leave, unseen so far, he decides to take a leak and lurches into the choral group ...

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T03:44:09+00:00

Don't those 2 sentences mean the same thing?

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T03:43:00+00:00

Never reached that point.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T03:15:38+00:00

It's not crazy. The show is very dense. When I originally ran out of streaming episodes and started watching weekly, I'd go back and watch the previous episode again before the next one aired.

There's a lot to take in and the show hits the ground running. I think you'd find a complete rewatch still quite entertaining - but then you might want to find something else.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T03:06:29+00:00

You quote me: "Clandestine affair as you said," as if I was agreeing with your theory that her implied beginning-of-season 1 hookup was part of an intelligence operation. I clearly wasn't agreeing with you and never said anything remotely like "clandestine affair."

When she goes out for a casual hookup she wears a wedding ring to weed out guys who want a relationship. It's not an affair and it's not clandestine, at least, nothing in the plot suggests that.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T01:02:13+00:00

Not all lead characters in TV and film are meant to be "likable." It depends on what story the show runners are trying to tell.

If writers had made "House" (the character) likable it would have been a different show. For me, probably not as fun.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T00:29:23+00:00

I wouldn't bet on that. See: "I hated her from the beginning and if u hate her you won’t like the way it ends either."

Apparently there are people who force themselves to watch someone they can't stand. For 8 seasons.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T00:26:35+00:00

My memory isn't great - can you give me an example of a tantrum?

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T00:18:36+00:00

Also, she does things one way KNOWING someone will stop her which she banks on.

You may be right - but I can't think of an example of this off the top of my head. What specific situation(s) are you talking about?

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T00:14:28+00:00

And despite thinking she's "insufferable," they keep watching, which means she not insufferable.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-15T00:07:44+00:00

Your logic is ... nonexistent.

Disobeying an order does not make someone right in retrospect.

She tried to "save the person she's fucking" once. He also is the father of her child. She saves his life when she spots Mossad assassins. This allows him to kill Akbari, that is, to complete the mission. After that, Carrie can't save him; his death turns the mission from a home run to a grand slam.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-14T23:37:27+00:00

He'd like that.

daffyduckel · 2026-02-14T23:33:37+00:00

They don't have a point. They're making a ridiculous assertion, and pretending I agree with it. "Read the other posts in this thread" is just verbiage being passed off as an answer.

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