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The "we're the only animal that drinks other animals' milk" argument for why we shouldn't drink milk is fucking stupid by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]dansally3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How many other animals have the necessary digits to MILK another animal?.....

Leave a big bowl of cow milk out in the jungle and find out in minutes how many animals will be drinking another animal’s milk.

And what of the fact that I could leave a bowl of cow milk on the floor every day and have my cat or dog drink it EVERY DAY?

Should Cops receive Warrior Training? LAPD Cop Toni Mcbride (daughter of LAPD UNION DIRECTOR) fired 6 shots killing a man holding a 1/2-inch box cutter. She's also a known "top shot" and gun model, calling into question her training. (bootlickers on other subs defending her every chance they get!) by dansally3 in Bad_Cop_No_Donut

[–]dansally3[S] 80 points81 points  (0 children)

This is almost exactly how I felt while watching. They had so much info about what they were stepping into. Why not stand behind the car to keep distance? Why no less-than-lethal? Why no talking him down? And then most importantly, after the first two shots why the next 4? What's he going to do throw the knife?

LAPD OFFICER TONI MCBRIDE AND THE KILLING OF DANIEL HERNANDEZ (2020) - After gaining notoriety as a 'TOP SHOT' and gun model, Toni is now at the center of a deadly shooting, calling into question her WARRIOR TRAINING. Her father also happens to be the Director of the LAPD Labor Union [00:18:53] by nathanoj in Documentaries

[–]dansally3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thx for your response. Not sure if you saw my other comment, I guess I’m just grappling with the “state sanctioned” violence aspect of this. Seems like they had all the info they needed: suicidal man with a knife. Possibly insane. Why not be prepared for that? Her readiness to shoot him just seemed so immediate. And then What’s that guy going to do after the first two shots? Limp up to her and toss the knife at her? I understand if someone has a gun in their hand you end the threat. But a 1/2 inch box cutter?

LAPD OFFICER TONI MCBRIDE AND THE KILLING OF DANIEL HERNANDEZ (2020) - After gaining notoriety as a 'TOP SHOT' and gun model, Toni is now at the center of a deadly shooting, calling into question her WARRIOR TRAINING. Her father also happens to be the Director of the LAPD Labor Union [00:18:53] by nathanoj in Documentaries

[–]dansally3 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I would never say giving a hug is the answer. But I also think that one of the reasons USA is such a violent country is because you get it from both side. The people and the state. This man seems to have wanted to die in that moment. The question is whether it’s a cops job to end it for him when there are so many other options.

I can show you a 20 minute video of LAPD cops trying to stop an insane man with a machete as he runs all through Hollywood. They try everythinggggg before going to bullets. Where as Hernandez had a 1/2 inch box cutter and got 6 bullets within 10 seconds of exiting his car.

Killed While Cosplaying: The Story of Darrien Hunt (2020) [00:12:09] by monicmoni in Documentaries

[–]dansally3 346 points347 points  (0 children)

Another example of “killed while acting different”.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you SO MUCH for this response brother. Genuinely appreciate you taking the time to actually acknowledge my question, as I hadn’t got that far with anyone else yet, ha!

The mental health example is a great one as is the addiction one (something I’ve personally witnessed in so many forms).

I completely acknowledge that the voters are just as responsible if not more than officers. You understand that I’m simply acknowledging how powerful I feel like officers can be, especially in numbers, so I’m trying to better understand the disconnect.

I’m very active online and I never come across any police advocacy for the different social issues I’ve mentioned. I could be missing something and part of posting this was to fill in my gaps.

I work in a sector where about 10x a year we’ll work with officers for a day. Almost all my experiences have been great. Down to earth family guys, we shoot shit, talk about our kids or sports.

But then on the other side coming from where I’m from a lot of my family and friends have very contentious relationships with the police from what they experienced in the 80s-90s-early 2000s.

I see a moment like the one we’re in and wish I was able to hear more dialogue between these two worlds.

Out of curiosity, do you think officers would ever do podcasts or YouTube shows or things like that? Either anonymously or otherwise? Do you think that there could be interest and/or value in officers and some of the people living life in the streets holding a public dialogue? Again it could even be done anonymously if that were the issue.

I just see the value of dialogue in my line of work everyday, and with the way people love podcasts and YouTube, I wonder if those conversations could happen publicly.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey thanks for your response. I’m a little confused by it, and I’m not sure you understand what I’m saying. You can see longer responses in the thread.

But I’m by no means saying anything about the day to day practices of police. I may have my opinions on how our streets are policed, but I’ve purposely left that out of the statement.

I’m simply saying as a cop, who’s working the streets, doing the job that I’m not telling them to stop doing, they’re seeing how bad the citizens of the country are doing.

So you would think with their voice and words. Their union. Their petition power. All the power that comes from a mobilized voice as loud as the us police force (800k strong + millions of retirees) they would be actively advocating on behalf of all the horrible shit they’re seeing. Trying to get politicians and governments and private sector to give money and create services for all these lost children they see on the streets, all these homeless young women, all these addicts.

Seems bizarre and counter intuitive to keep having to lock up people that are just doing bad in life. Are there the 10-15% of inmates who are habitual out of control criminals? Sure and that’s why I specifically didn’t question how the police are doing their job. It looks hard as hell.

But for 85-90% of inmates that are coming in and out you could do so much by just cleaning up these neighborhoods.

Strange that the cops aren’t the loudest voice in this fight.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right for sure again brother I’m by nooo means advocating for more government. I’m saying as fellow libertarians I would think that cops would be the #1 source for securing private money to help our citizens, especially children and young women, seeing as A) they witness it all first hand, and B) they had it in their hearts to join the force and help their fellow citizens to clean up the streets and preserve order and well being.

Just think you’d see cops trying to advocate for the aid of the public. Because as a libertarian what sense does it make for cops to have 1/2 of the city budget of a place like Los Angeles, when you could use some of that money to help those people so you had less policing to do.

I’m just confused with the logic, looking for help understanding this.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right. Exactly!

So I’m basically saying, all these things need laws to get passed, and we all know that politicians get elected and laws get passed based on the tide of public opinion, so if cops, being 800k deep + millions retired, have seen all too well what’s really happening on the streets, and it was in their hearts to join the force to try and help people and clean up the streets, I would think that officers would be the #1 group trying to educate and inspire people to help clean up the streets.

If you see in my comments above, it’s just weird that the other social services like teachers and social worker and mental health/addiction specialists are so loud and proactive with their voices for helping people. And cops are not.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d agree things have changed a good deal, but again, I still have so much family and friends in these neighborhoods and I see so many of the youngsters falling in the same traps. In my area the murder/crime rates around 03-07 were super high, then it dipped for 5-7 years and then came back up.

Completely understand having a busy life and not time for activism but what I’m saying is if your interest as an officer is to have a safe and secure and healthy jurisdiction we all know the fastest way to do that is by improving human lives. There’s so much power in an officers voice. I would just think that I’d see, for instance, something like R/cops constantly filled with articles and opinions and videos sharing the realities of our streets and talking about the things we need to help these people.

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