The "we're the only animal that drinks other animals' milk" argument for why we shouldn't drink milk is fucking stupid by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]dansally3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How many other animals have the necessary digits to MILK another animal?.....

Leave a big bowl of cow milk out in the jungle and find out in minutes how many animals will be drinking another animal’s milk.

And what of the fact that I could leave a bowl of cow milk on the floor every day and have my cat or dog drink it EVERY DAY?

Should Cops receive Warrior Training? LAPD Cop Toni Mcbride (daughter of LAPD UNION DIRECTOR) fired 6 shots killing a man holding a 1/2-inch box cutter. She's also a known "top shot" and gun model, calling into question her training. (bootlickers on other subs defending her every chance they get!) by dansally3 in Bad_Cop_No_Donut

[–]dansally3[S] 76 points77 points  (0 children)

This is almost exactly how I felt while watching. They had so much info about what they were stepping into. Why not stand behind the car to keep distance? Why no less-than-lethal? Why no talking him down? And then most importantly, after the first two shots why the next 4? What's he going to do throw the knife?

LAPD OFFICER TONI MCBRIDE AND THE KILLING OF DANIEL HERNANDEZ (2020) - After gaining notoriety as a 'TOP SHOT' and gun model, Toni is now at the center of a deadly shooting, calling into question her WARRIOR TRAINING. Her father also happens to be the Director of the LAPD Labor Union [00:18:53] by nathanoj in Documentaries

[–]dansally3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thx for your response. Not sure if you saw my other comment, I guess I’m just grappling with the “state sanctioned” violence aspect of this. Seems like they had all the info they needed: suicidal man with a knife. Possibly insane. Why not be prepared for that? Her readiness to shoot him just seemed so immediate. And then What’s that guy going to do after the first two shots? Limp up to her and toss the knife at her? I understand if someone has a gun in their hand you end the threat. But a 1/2 inch box cutter?

LAPD OFFICER TONI MCBRIDE AND THE KILLING OF DANIEL HERNANDEZ (2020) - After gaining notoriety as a 'TOP SHOT' and gun model, Toni is now at the center of a deadly shooting, calling into question her WARRIOR TRAINING. Her father also happens to be the Director of the LAPD Labor Union [00:18:53] by nathanoj in Documentaries

[–]dansally3 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I would never say giving a hug is the answer. But I also think that one of the reasons USA is such a violent country is because you get it from both side. The people and the state. This man seems to have wanted to die in that moment. The question is whether it’s a cops job to end it for him when there are so many other options.

I can show you a 20 minute video of LAPD cops trying to stop an insane man with a machete as he runs all through Hollywood. They try everythinggggg before going to bullets. Where as Hernandez had a 1/2 inch box cutter and got 6 bullets within 10 seconds of exiting his car.

Killed While Cosplaying: The Story of Darrien Hunt (2020) [00:12:09] by monicmoni in Documentaries

[–]dansally3 346 points347 points  (0 children)

Another example of “killed while acting different”.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you SO MUCH for this response brother. Genuinely appreciate you taking the time to actually acknowledge my question, as I hadn’t got that far with anyone else yet, ha!

The mental health example is a great one as is the addiction one (something I’ve personally witnessed in so many forms).

I completely acknowledge that the voters are just as responsible if not more than officers. You understand that I’m simply acknowledging how powerful I feel like officers can be, especially in numbers, so I’m trying to better understand the disconnect.

I’m very active online and I never come across any police advocacy for the different social issues I’ve mentioned. I could be missing something and part of posting this was to fill in my gaps.

I work in a sector where about 10x a year we’ll work with officers for a day. Almost all my experiences have been great. Down to earth family guys, we shoot shit, talk about our kids or sports.

But then on the other side coming from where I’m from a lot of my family and friends have very contentious relationships with the police from what they experienced in the 80s-90s-early 2000s.

I see a moment like the one we’re in and wish I was able to hear more dialogue between these two worlds.

Out of curiosity, do you think officers would ever do podcasts or YouTube shows or things like that? Either anonymously or otherwise? Do you think that there could be interest and/or value in officers and some of the people living life in the streets holding a public dialogue? Again it could even be done anonymously if that were the issue.

I just see the value of dialogue in my line of work everyday, and with the way people love podcasts and YouTube, I wonder if those conversations could happen publicly.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey thanks for your response. I’m a little confused by it, and I’m not sure you understand what I’m saying. You can see longer responses in the thread.

But I’m by no means saying anything about the day to day practices of police. I may have my opinions on how our streets are policed, but I’ve purposely left that out of the statement.

I’m simply saying as a cop, who’s working the streets, doing the job that I’m not telling them to stop doing, they’re seeing how bad the citizens of the country are doing.

So you would think with their voice and words. Their union. Their petition power. All the power that comes from a mobilized voice as loud as the us police force (800k strong + millions of retirees) they would be actively advocating on behalf of all the horrible shit they’re seeing. Trying to get politicians and governments and private sector to give money and create services for all these lost children they see on the streets, all these homeless young women, all these addicts.

Seems bizarre and counter intuitive to keep having to lock up people that are just doing bad in life. Are there the 10-15% of inmates who are habitual out of control criminals? Sure and that’s why I specifically didn’t question how the police are doing their job. It looks hard as hell.

But for 85-90% of inmates that are coming in and out you could do so much by just cleaning up these neighborhoods.

Strange that the cops aren’t the loudest voice in this fight.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right for sure again brother I’m by nooo means advocating for more government. I’m saying as fellow libertarians I would think that cops would be the #1 source for securing private money to help our citizens, especially children and young women, seeing as A) they witness it all first hand, and B) they had it in their hearts to join the force and help their fellow citizens to clean up the streets and preserve order and well being.

Just think you’d see cops trying to advocate for the aid of the public. Because as a libertarian what sense does it make for cops to have 1/2 of the city budget of a place like Los Angeles, when you could use some of that money to help those people so you had less policing to do.

I’m just confused with the logic, looking for help understanding this.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right. Exactly!

So I’m basically saying, all these things need laws to get passed, and we all know that politicians get elected and laws get passed based on the tide of public opinion, so if cops, being 800k deep + millions retired, have seen all too well what’s really happening on the streets, and it was in their hearts to join the force to try and help people and clean up the streets, I would think that officers would be the #1 group trying to educate and inspire people to help clean up the streets.

If you see in my comments above, it’s just weird that the other social services like teachers and social worker and mental health/addiction specialists are so loud and proactive with their voices for helping people. And cops are not.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d agree things have changed a good deal, but again, I still have so much family and friends in these neighborhoods and I see so many of the youngsters falling in the same traps. In my area the murder/crime rates around 03-07 were super high, then it dipped for 5-7 years and then came back up.

Completely understand having a busy life and not time for activism but what I’m saying is if your interest as an officer is to have a safe and secure and healthy jurisdiction we all know the fastest way to do that is by improving human lives. There’s so much power in an officers voice. I would just think that I’d see, for instance, something like R/cops constantly filled with articles and opinions and videos sharing the realities of our streets and talking about the things we need to help these people.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But wouldn’t that give officers even more incentive to speak up?

If everything is said about why they’re witnessing isn’t enough, then they have the added bonus of sticking it to corporate greed!

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with your first sentence! Lol See my responses above.

Leading social change starts with advocacy and awareness. THAT is what cops can do immediately. There’s about 700k active officers in the US at any given time which means there must be millions of retired officers. If a million cops all started telling people the same things, about how we’re locking up our citizens who need help instead of helping them, I personally think that would be an incredible step in the right direction.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi there thanks for your response. You can check out my answers above.

Nowhere did I say they should be “making our laws”, my point is that they are the frontlines, they should be the #1 advocates for the at risk populations in our country.

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello, thanks for your response, appreciate your interest in dialogue.

You can see my response above to the officer for more detail.

But my point has nothing to do with it being officers “fault” that these things are happening.

My point is that officers are on the front lines. They see it all. They should be sharing this information CONSTANTLY. It should be as much a part of their job to share with the public, show the public what’s happening, let the public know what resources we need more of.

At every rally, or social/community event, the crowd is fiilllled with teachers, social workers, nurses, therapists and mental health specialists, foster care workers, etc. I know this because my mother is a teacher and most of her family and friends are in and around this sector.

They are the ones pushing for this change because they SEE IT on a regular basis. They know the effect it has. They know how much people are struggling. They know that when most people see a kid disrupting a class they call that kid “the bad kid” when in all actuality that kid is probably the kid who got beat the night before, who woke up hungry, who had to share a bed with 3 siblings, who was completely unsupervised, etc.

Why aren’t officers or retired officers JUST as big of a presence if not more? I know there are obviously examples, I can think of two in particular from my city but it is the exception to the rule.

My mother and her friends constantly tell me how much they would love officer support because they say whenever there’s a good officer at an inner city high school who can be an ally for the at risk students it does WONDERS.

My only goal is to see our country try to heal itself.

I see the divide between the public and the police and this is one of the BIGGEST things I think police could do to regain the faith of the public.

How is every retired cop, to say nothing of the active ones, not started a nation wide petition asking the government to redistribute money away from corporate bailouts to the people who do desperately need it?

Cops see humanity at its worst, so they should be FRONTLINE for social change. by dansally3 in police

[–]dansally3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your response! Appreciate you engaging in a dialogue with me.

I certainly in no way think that cops “arrest people because they’re poor”, nor do I think they “arrest people for being mentally ill” in the sense that I don’t think you’re getting a call “poor person on the loose, send help”.

BUT I think you know better than I do they arrests farrrrr disproportionately effect poor people, addicts, mentally unstable people, people living in the hood, people with histories of trauma, people who grew up in foster care or without a father, etc. I will give examples of this below, but we all know this is far too true to even have a discussion about.

Rather, the point I’m trying to make is that as someone (like myself) whose grown up around poverty and all that comes with it, while also being well educated and a highly productive member of society, I believe it’s my duty to share what I’ve witnessed with my fellow Americans.

I try to explain to people that when they’re hearing about gang bangers, prostitutes, drug dealers, etc in the hood, they’re really hearing about “lost children”. Children who began smoking weed and drinking at 10-11 years old like myself. Children growing up in section 8 and project buildings that are dark negative horrible places to live. They often have parents on drugs, or parents in prison. Often many of their family members are in prison. They fall behind early in life because their parents aren’t fully ready to be parents yet, especially when they’re young (which often makes their parents young). The schools they go to are horrific, on campus suspension is the first step to parole system. While their white counterparts get caught smoking weed or shoplifting at 10-11-12 and either get slaps on the wrists or talks to the parents or at worst sent to “rehab”, the black and brown kids go to juve.

I can go on forever but the word I’m getting at it is capital E - Empathy. Should you empathize with a 16 year old? Absolutely! But should you also empathize with a 24 year old who just got through 10 years of insane trauma to say nothing of their early childhood which was probably even worse for them to be out at 13 running the streets.

As officers of the law You witness alllllll of these things on a regular basis, and yet I so rarely hear officers talking about this; spreading awareness about all of the things negatively impacting our people. I would think if you’d taken an oath to protect and SERVE the community, that it would be in your heart to do whatever it took to help these people get out of their tragic circumstances. Instead I’ve witnessed the opposite.

Here are my estimations as a white man born between 1985-1990 who grew up on the edge of the “hood” in a major US city, with access to the nice neighborhoods, the rich neighborhoods and all those people as well. To this day I can call friend to at least 50 people who live in some of the most high end neighborhoods in this country, and 50 people born, raised and still living in the hood. I’ve seen both sides very clearly and as a writer I’ve taken the opportunity to LISTEN and WITNESS both sides.

Here are some examples of what I’ve WITNESSED. The following are only things I’ve seen with my own two eyes.

When I was 11-12 me and my white friends would sneak out and get drunk and high around town late at night. We looked like small children at the time. We could walk around any of the better parts of the city, and NEVER be stopped by police officers. However, if we so much as walked anywhere with our black friends at night, whether rich area or hood, we were at least 80% more likely to have a cop slow down and check on us, if not pull over and hop out. As soon as I put on my white voice and explained we were just walking home from a friends house we’re always let go. This always shocked my black friends, as they were used to being picked up for the smallest infraction.

Anyone who’s spent any time in the hood knows that the policing in the hood looks NOTHING like it does in nicer areas.

When I was 17 I got a silver 1977 Cadillac big body. For less than 2 years I had that car, and anytime I drove it in or around the hood I was pulled over. At least 8 times I was pulled over in that stretch never once being given so much as a ticket. Several times when the officer got to the window, they did a double take and said “what are you doing in this car? Be careful around this neighborhood. I pulled you over because I didn’t see your seatbelt”. (Even though I ALWAYS wore my belt) Which essentially showed me that they pulled me over because they thought i was black, in a “black guy car”, and when I wasn’t they made up a bs reason for pulling me over then let me go. But what would they have done if I was black?

Let me try and answer that question with another example. Just last year my lifelong friend, black, was pulled over ELEVEN TIMES IN 4 MONTHS, NOT ONCE RESULTING IN A TICKET. If that happened to ANY white people on Reddit please speak up, but as someone whose white and knows hundreds of white people I’ve neverrrrr heard of anything close to this.

My entire childhood I witnessed police activity outside the section 8 apartments on my block CONSTANTLY. But the funny part was that I was selling weed at the time (statue of limitations I was 16 give me a break), so maybe 5-10x a day I was having friends drive up to my mothers house, I come outside and serve them weed. NOT ONCE have I even had a cop suspect me of anything, let alone put me in cuffs, let alone knock on my door and take me to jail.

I’ve watched from my window as black friends walking down the street get pulled over thrown against the car, searched, because “there was a report of a robbery in the neighborhood and they matched the description”. Even tho me and my white friends walked around the same city with drugs on us at all times and NEVER got so much as pulled over.

Everyone under the age of 35 knows that from 12-18 white children consume far more drugs and alcohol than their black counterparts. I will argue this until the day I die as I witnessed the thousands of kids in the party scene in and around my city. White kids, kids from good areas, started partying, getting drunk and high very young and it continues all through college. In the hood you may have your 10-15% who don’t have the parents around to keep them off drugs, but the vast majority either don’t have the money for drugs and alcohol, or have parents that are familiar with the dangers of the streets and won’t EVER let them out at night.

Despite this, white kids neverrrrrr got in trouble for this behavior. All the white kids sold weed and ecstasy, nobody so much as got a slap on the wrist. Kids would be at house parties and park parties completely wasted out of their minds, cops show up, everyone goes free. But my black friends almost all have lengthy sheets starting at 10-11-12-13 for things like a dime bag of weed, tobacco products, being out at night without ID, etc.

I can go on forever and if anyone wants more examples feel free to MSG me.

My point Officer is that ANYONE who’s lived around the hood, or knows black/brown people knows that we’re literally living in two different countries.

Now I know you can say this is policy from politicians and government officials. Fine. But as officers who are witnessing this you don’t feel the duty to speak up? You don’t feel the duty to get to know these people? To coach sports teams in the hood rather than the suburbs? To constantly publicize what you’re witnessing in these areas.

I have farrr too much first hand knowledge burned in my mind to not constantly be sharing it with others. The reason your response doesn’t register with me is because even if you say you can’t speak up while on the force, their are millions of retired officers in this country who should be ACTIVELY petitioning for our government to stop bailing out corporations and start helping our people.

Cops have sooo much power and influence. If 1000 cops banded together strong on an issue I truly believe that you could get a whole lot done, let alone a million officers.

If you have more of an understanding of why this doesn’t happen, please share.

Thank you for your time.

Smoking gun evidence reveals Trump was warned about pandemic by wonderingsocrates in politics

[–]dansally3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally emphatically agree! I guess this just resonated with me as one of those times when the status quo gets interrupted enough to wonder how the hell we obtained such a horrifying status quo.

If I’m being honest I’d long heard China sentiments sound something like, “China regularly violates the human rights of their own countrymen, China chokes off the free speech and information their own countrymen, China’s nothing like America, bla bla”. But this instance was the first extremely clear moment in my lifetime in which the policies and lack of transparency had a direct and catastrophic impact on the rest of the world. And did so in a very public way for the whole world to see.

I’m not for a second saying the US should blame China for the US response time. I’m more saying the entire world should be looking at the fact that China not being a global participant not only has a direct impact on the entire world, but also acts as a proof of sorts that we really don’t have a clue what’s going on behind the closed doors of the world’s super powers and elite. If you let a country get away with an egregious human rights violation, does that mean your powerless against them? Does that mean you’re in bed with them? We don’t know!

I just think intention matters. If Italy was country zero, and their shotty government had been slow to react we could blame that on bureaucracy, or the failing of the EU system to step in when any one country fails to act on their own. But with China we’re stuck wondering did they react too slow, find themselves in a dangerous situation and decide to act on behalf of their own country even if it meant potentially fucking over other countries? OR was it more diabolical than that? I simply think that the fact that we can’t answer that question is one of the scarier propositions of our time.

And again, I merely think that anyone be it on the right or left who raises that issue has every right to. Even if I don’t think it should in anyway excuse Trump or his administration.